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      11-13-2021, 08:48 AM   #62
manuelf
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Originally Posted by KoenG View Post
When you're willing to renounce security, comfort, environment, daily driver capabilities as a purist, you can still buy a Caterham Seven of course.
Thank you. I can't listen to @Advevo endless repetition of lightweight dogma anymore.
Yes, we all would like to have cars with 300kg less. But the majority here seems not to live in LaLa-land like Advevo does!
And his focus and criticism towards BMW is unfair (mildly put)!
A year 2001 E46 M3 had 1584kg in the sport auto supertest. Performancewise (stiffness, track times) it is a laughable joke compared to a 2020 M2 CS (which weighs exactly the same!!!) or an upcoming G87 M2, which will weigh appr. 50kg more.

So what the hell are we talking about here? What BMW M did in terms of limiting weight increase is almost a miracle, when you compare the progress done with each generation regarding performance, safety, size, while dealing with ever stricter legislative requirements regarding emissions and safety!
And please stop telling fairy tales about a shift in ///M DNA from E36M3 up to now! In every generation the M3 could be equipped with all the then-state-of-the-art luxury equipment!

Now have a look at the most prominent sportscars icon in comparison: The 992 Porsche 911 Carrera S.
Guess what it weighs? 1570kg! A pure sportscar platform, which costs you an arm and a leg ... and a 2020 M2 CS with mass series platform background is only 18kg heavier? So please stop attacking BMW unless you present me another OEM, which offers a car in the same category, which is substantially lighter!
Nobody wants a track car. If you want one: Build it on your own, but don't expect that an OEM goes havoc and creates something, which in reality is unsellable.
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