[Jason]

BMW chief says EU combustion engine ban will shrink car industry

Oliver Zipse tells Paris motor show 2035 cutoff point for CO2-emitting cars is ‘no longer realistic’

The EU’s plans to ban the manufacture of traditional combustion engines from 2035 will shrink the industry, BMW’s chief executive has warned as the German car industry battles with increased competition from China in the electric vehicle sector.

In a comment that will alarm Brussels, Oliver Zipse told the Paris motor show the 2035 cutoff point for CO2-emitting cars was “no longer realistic”.

The ban “could also threaten the European automotive industry in its heart,” Zipse said. The measures will “with today’s assumptions, lead to a massive shrinking of the industry as a whole”.

Rest of article: https://www.theguardian.com/business...n-car-industry

[gnx]

No shit Sherlock.

[jackaleyess]

Yes Mr. Obvious. Even if we produce big displacement based on today’s numbers. The earth will still stood the same even at our great grand child time. So yeah. Cut the crap and push on for big displacement.

[DravitPlay]

The ban was only ever going to hurt the car industry and I would suggest it was NEVER” feasible in the first place. The problem with politicians is they like you to be “politically correct” in your protests so they can argue - which is what they trained their whole lives to do - and find another way of saying the same thing! They don’t like “demands” because it gives them no wriggle room.

[Msparta]

With electric motors advancing it would be possible to have future vehicles with engines and with electric motors and toggle where not banned 😂

Get ready for modulated car architecture - many brands won’t survive these woke government agendas.

[gnx]

Originally Posted by DravitPlay

The ban was only ever going to hurt the car industry and I would suggest it was NEVER” feasible in the first place. The problem with politicians is they like you to be “politically correct” in your protests so they can argue - which is what they trained their whole lives to do - and find another way of saying the same thing! They don’t like “demands” because it gives them no wriggle room.

Exactly, it was never realistic. It all started in 2001 with the European Commission agreeing on the 95g CO2 hurdle and the corresponding fines for target overruns pushed for by the German Socialists/Greens.

Germany is heading for a recession this year, they have them to thank for that.

Americans have a weird perception that the push to electrification started with the Tesla subsidies during Democratic presidencies, but the truth is that it all started in Europe with the legislation of fines to the industry that could drive manufacturers out of business, more than 20 years ago.

Meanwhile, the Chinese car market is 25 million units and their production capacity is 40 million units.

Hopefully the EU commission will realize that they need to change course, for good.

[moriluvatar]

Seems to me that the path is hybridization. Many (though not all) hybrid cars can produce significantly better yields on efficiency, and folks are buying for that reason. We in NA seem to love hybrids, and especially Toyota hybrids.

For me though, I don't agree. Even if I'm buying a car with an eye toward efficiency, I don't think that I want the complexity and cost of all these systems, and the weight associated with them. I'd be better off with an efficient naturally aspirated 4 popper petrol, or a diesel.

Worse, the complexity of hybrids only serves to accelerate the loss of the manual, since the automatics with a computer can do a better job on the fuel economy tests here.

I imagine then (and this is just my opinion) that we will see the ban on ICE lifted or pushed back, but we'll see emissions continue to tighten, and that we'll see cars continue to get heavier, more complicated, more hybridized, with less driver engagement. Thus, I plan to keep the G80 6MT forever.

[E92_William]

I don’t think the current political climate in Europe would allow much relaxing on their optimistic green goal in favor of saving their homegrown manufacturers, if they were to underperform as they seem they will with all gas cars potentially being banned.

[Maxroadrage]

Shrinking the industry was the true goal of the Ban. They want to get rid of private transportation.

[Bahn360Photo]

You guys making wrong assumptions here

He is fighting ICE engines and a lot of politicians are against it. For obvious reasons.

[Nahlem]

BMW and other European car manufacturers have had ample time to prepare for the transition to electric vehicles (EVs). It is ridiculous for them to now express concerns at the eleventh hour, especially when facing intensified competition from China. If they find themselves unable to compete in the global EV market, it signals a significant issue within the EU's automotive industry. 2035 is far away get your stuff together and you will be fine. No more investments in ICE engines you have what you have keep that and now move all resources to BEVs

These manufacturers seemed to treat the shift to sustainable vehicles lightly or as a joke, consistently releasing subpar models while generating substantial profits from their (ICE) cars. When confronted with the realities of market and regulatory changes, they claimed insufficient time for transition. However, from 2001 to 2023-24, clear goals and development plans were established for a greener future. Instead of adapting, they continued producing fuel-inefficient vehicles. Now, seeking to lift bans due to their lack of proactive effort appears ridiculous.

To Oliver Zipse and his industry peers: prioritizing research and development in EVs over expanding the line-up of "X" variants could have positioned you more favourably today. The BMW i3, launched in 2013-2014, was a pioneering effort, but progress seemed to halt thereafter. It's advisable for the industry to reinvest profits, potentially garnered from years of reliance on fossil fuels, into producing affordable EVs. The market for high-end luxury cars is saturated, and diversification is essential.

The auto industry has had sufficient time to adapt and should not expect concessions due to delayed action. The EU car sector must innovate and stand independently without relying on protective measures. Achieving environmental goals is feasible if companies redirect resources from traditional fuels to sustainable alternatives—a transition that should have commenced long ago.

They have had enough time they are like spoiled children now all grown up and momma have said no now.

Year 2000 ECCP
Year 2001 European Transport Policy for 2010
Year 2002 Kyoto Protocol
Year 2003 Directive of promotion of use of biofuels and alternative fuels
Year 2007 EUs strategy to reduce co2 emissions from passenger cars and light commercial vehicles.
Year 2009 EC no 443 regulation emission performance standards.
Year 2010 A European strategy on clean and energy efficient vehicles
Year 2011 A roadmap to single European transport area to reduce emissions by 60% to 2050
Year 2014 Alternative fuels infrastructure directive
Year 2018-2019 A clean planter for all a European strategic long term vision for a prosperous modern completive and climate neutral economy

ALL of these should have been a signal to the EU car industry MOVE away from ICE sooner then later.

Oliver and the rest of EU automotive industry should just grow up and start performing. How much of their money could have been spent on BEVs instead of ICE engines.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Msparta

With electric motors advancing it would be possible to have future vehicles with engines and with electric motors and toggle where not banned 😂

Get ready for modulated car architecture - many brands won’t survive these woke government agendas.

GM built and sold such a car 12 years ago...

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

BMW and other European car manufacturers have had ample time to prepare for the transition to electric vehicles (EVs). It is ridiculous for them to now express concerns at the eleventh hour, especially when facing intensified competition from China. If they find themselves unable to compete in the global EV market, it signals a significant issue within the EU's automotive industry. 2035 is far away get your stuff together and you will be fine. No more investments in ICE engines you have what you have keep that and now move all resources to BEVs

These manufacturers seemed to treat the shift to sustainable vehicles lightly or as a joke, consistently releasing subpar models while generating substantial profits from their (ICE) cars. When confronted with the realities of market and regulatory changes, they claimed insufficient time for transition. However, from 2001 to 2023-24, clear goals and development plans were established for a greener future. Instead of adapting, they continued producing fuel-inefficient vehicles. Now, seeking to lift bans due to their lack of proactive effort appears ridiculous.

To Oliver Zipse and his industry peers: prioritizing research and development in EVs over expanding the line-up of "X" variants could have positioned you more favourably today. The BMW i3, launched in 2013-2014, was a pioneering effort, but progress seemed to halt thereafter. It's advisable for the industry to reinvest profits, potentially garnered from years of reliance on fossil fuels, into producing affordable EVs. The market for high-end luxury cars is saturated, and diversification is essential.

The auto industry has had sufficient time to adapt and should not expect concessions due to delayed action. The EU car sector must innovate and stand independently without relying on protective measures. Achieving environmental goals is feasible if companies redirect resources from traditional fuels to sustainable alternatives—a transition that should have commenced long ago.

They have had enough time they are like spoiled children now all grown up and momma have said no now.

Year 2000 ECCP
Year 2001 European Transport Policy for 2010
Year 2002 Kyoto Protocol
Year 2003 Directive of promotion of use of biofuels and alternative fuels
Year 2007 EUs strategy to reduce co2 emissions from passenger cars and light commercial vehicles.
Year 2009 EC no 443 regulation emission performance standards.
Year 2010 A European strategy on clean and energy efficient vehicles
Year 2011 A roadmap to single European transport area to reduce emissions by 60% to 2050
Year 2014 Alternative fuels infrastructure directive
Year 2018-2019 A clean planter for all a European strategic long term vision for a prosperous modern completive and climate neutral economy

ALL of these should have been a signal to the EU car industry MOVE away from ICE sooner then later.

Oliver and the rest of EU automotive industry should just grow up and start performing. How much of their money could have been spent on BEVs instead of ICE engines.

You understand half the issue very well...

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by gnx

No shit Sherlock.

I came to make sure this was posted. Haha

Like Duh

[GOLFFRR]

lol

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Nahlem

BMW and other European car manufacturers have had ample time to prepare for the transition to electric vehicles (EVs). It is ridiculous for them to now express concerns at the eleventh hour, especially when facing intensified competition from China. If they find themselves unable to compete in the global EV market, it signals a significant issue within the EU's automotive industry. 2035 is far away get your stuff together and you will be fine. No more investments in ICE engines you have what you have keep that and now move all resources to BEVs

These manufacturers seemed to treat the shift to sustainable vehicles lightly or as a joke, consistently releasing subpar models while generating substantial profits from their (ICE) cars. When confronted with the realities of market and regulatory changes, they claimed insufficient time for transition. However, from 2001 to 2023-24, clear goals and development plans were established for a greener future. Instead of adapting, they continued producing fuel-inefficient vehicles. Now, seeking to lift bans due to their lack of proactive effort appears ridiculous.

To Oliver Zipse and his industry peers: prioritizing research and development in EVs over expanding the line-up of "X" variants could have positioned you more favourably today. The BMW i3, launched in 2013-2014, was a pioneering effort, but progress seemed to halt thereafter. It's advisable for the industry to reinvest profits, potentially garnered from years of reliance on fossil fuels, into producing affordable EVs. The market for high-end luxury cars is saturated, [...]

Okay so let me explain it in simple terms.

This is about domestic jobs. EU and US cannot compete with the low cost Chinese EV manufacturer. The Germans are loosing their asses in China. US and EU tariffs are back in vogue.



The issue over domestic manufacturing has always been percolating under the Worker/Green tent. One must give way for the other.

[hufington]

You just realized this???

[Quadruple VANOS]

We said it wasn’t realistic. They responded arrogantly “you’ll have no choice.”

We were right. They were wrong.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by hufington

You just realized this???

It's a jobs program a form of welfare.

[BlkGS]

EV mandates were never feasible. They were just big banks throwing their weight around to make money on EV companies they funded and battery companies they were invested in. Frame it as "saving the world" and you can easily convince the easily manipulated that it must be done.

[SexyRoger]

Originally Posted by gnx

Exactly, it was never realistic. It all started in 2001 with the European Commission agreeing on the 95g CO2 hurdle and the corresponding fines for target overruns pushed for by the German Socialists/Greens.

Germany is heading for a recession this year, they have them to thank for that.

Americans have a weird perception that the push to electrification started with the Tesla subsidies during Democratic presidencies, but the truth is that it all started in Europe with the legislation of fines to the industry that could drive manufacturers out of business, more than 20 years ago.

Meanwhile, the Chinese car market is 25 million units and their production capacity is 40 million units.

Hopefully the EU commission will realize that they need to change course, for good.

Germany is heading for recession because

1. Was dependent on CCCP and Putin on cheap natural gas
2. Had Covid issues because of CCCP
3. Is supporting Ukraine against CCCP.
4. Still allowing migrants to take full advantage of the European Social care.

Car industry although yes it has a huge economic factor for EU and Germany will not flinch.

Governments will adjust. They are German NOT English or worse like the lobotomized runner for November election in US. LOL