[phteven]

Looking to upgrade the door speakers and underseat subs in my 2008 328i wagon with Hi-Fi (S676) but unfortunately it seems like most of the links in the audio sticky are dead. I already have a JL XD600/6 with a TechnicPnP harness and some Bimmertech Alpha One tweeters I pulled from my previous E90 so I would only need the door speakers and underseat woofers. I'm not opposed to running a Bimmertech setup again but if I can get something better I would like to go that route. It looks like Morel may have some offerings but I am not sure which one I would need. Really only interested in switching if it's plug and play.

Link to the Morel speakers I was considering:
https://www.morelhifi.com/en/product...ion-11/bmw-54/

[ctuna]

I would call Unexpected Creations in New Jersey .
He stocks the better stuff and could give you comparison info.

I put morel dotechs in the doors and Jehnert xe 200's in the floors that
was about 10 years ago at least . Both are great. Also powered with and xd 600/6 as that was the standard for the Hi Fi upgrade years ago here.

[phteven]

Originally Posted by ctuna

I would call Unexpected Creations in New Jersey .
He stocks the better stuff and could give you comparison info.

I put morel dotechs in the doors and Jehnert xe 200's in the floors that
was about 10 years ago at least . Both are great. Also powered with and xd 600/6 as that was the standard for the Hi Fi upgrade years ago here.

Appreciate the response. According to Don at Unexpected Creations, Jenhert no longer makes the XE200, and they don’t typically use Morel speakers anymore.

Unfortunately they stopped the sales of just the underseat woofers alone some time ago.
We also have not done much with Morel for quite a while now. We have found many other
options, especially for BMWs to be more preferred with out clients.

I’ll have to ask him to clarify what other options.

[ctuna]

If you could put his response up that would be helpful.

[phteven]

Originally Posted by ctuna

If you could put his response up that would be helpful.

Here’s his response

We actually use a good bit of Helix and Match as well as GroundZero and even Bimmertech or a combination of them.
The 600/6 wouldn't change anything but the lack of bandpass capabilities especially on the woofer channels is a downfall,
unless something has changed with them recently.

Looks like I’ve got some more research to do.

[ctuna]

That's why the new DSP's that have decent to great output power are appealing.

[tankertoad]

The Morel IR series is based on their hybrid line so its quality.

If you don’t mind mixing and matching, Focal, Audison, and others all make underseat replacements.

For the 4” in the doors, if your budget allows it, the Audiofrog GB40 (and its matching GB10OE tweeters) are in the same class as the Morels.

The Goldhorn is a good DSP amp. So are Musway and Arc Audio (small footprint and Maestro factory integration).

[ironduke2010]

Originally Posted by tankertoad

The Morel IR series is based on their hybrid line so its quality.

If you don’t mind mixing and matching, Focal, Audison, and others all make underseat replacements.

For the 4” in the doors, if your budget allows it, the Audiofrog GB40 (and its matching GB10OE tweeters) are in the same class as the Morels.

The Goldhorn is a good DSP amp. So are Musway and Arc Audio (small footprint and Maestro factory integration).

these are my interwebs conclusions as well. i hear even the Audiofrog GS line works and are well regarded.

i currently have a set of BMW OEM Individual Audio (aka EPS) speakers in all 4 corners powered by a Bimmertech sourced Match pp82dsp. once i took the time to figure out how to use the Audiotec Fischer software (and REW) to tune the system, it sounds good enough that i feel i can hold off on upgrading the speakers further (at least for now).

[phteven]

Originally Posted by tankertoad

The Morel IR series is based on their hybrid line so its quality.

If you don’t mind mixing and matching, Focal, Audison, and others all make underseat replacements.

For the 4” in the doors, if your budget allows it, the Audiofrog GB40 (and its matching GB10OE tweeters) are in the same class as the Morels.

The Goldhorn is a good DSP amp. So are Musway and Arc Audio (small footprint and Maestro factory integration).

I did end up doing a little mixing and matching. I went with the Morel IR for the front door mids and tweeters, Match underseat subs, and Bimmertech for the rear doors since I already had a spare set of their tweeters. Pretty pleased with the results so far. It is the best car audio I’ve experienced, but it is still car audio.

[ctuna]

Any description of which Match's you used and there general Flavor.
Are they balanced and do they give you a warm presence.

[phteven]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Any description of which Match's you used and there general Flavor.
Are they balanced and do they give you a warm presence.

I went with the MATCH UP W8BMW-S. They’re available on Crutchfield. I’m probably not the best at describing audio but I would say that they add the right amount of midbass. Clear and not overbearing while adding depth to the music.

[streetpro]

I've used Helix products to a great success in the last vehicle (Tesla MS).
Helix Match 10DSP (10 chanel MATCH UP 10DSP 8 x 65 Watts at 4 Ohms and 2 x 90 / 160 Watts at 4 / 2 Ohms at the Sub Outs) in 3 way active Helix speakers (added mids to dashboard, better tw in A-pillars and replaced 6 to 8" kickbass in front doors, others - center and rear doors get reduced/eqs, more sound deadening, EQ-ed the whole system)
8" Ci3 sub-bass HELIX Ci3 W200FM-S2,
3" 3M midrange HELIX P 3M
1" PR 25T-S tweeters HELIX PR T25-S

If I compare it with other installations without "active" wiring/amping - you get much more accurate tones and localization of instruments or voice, when looking at the dashboard I can almost point my finger where this or that singer or guitarist is. With conventional wiring (and no DSP), I also get accurate tones, but the definition of space is not nearly as good.