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I was with much of what you were saying until the last paragraph - what government EXACTLY is saying EVs only?
Certainly not the US one, and not the EU one. Not today now, and not at any point in the recent past. Not in any enforceable way.

There has been a long-term pressure on automakers to meet more stringent energy consumption benchmarks. I partially agree / disagree with some of that, but the net result has been an impressive ramp-up in drivetrain innovation that roughly doubled average HP over past 25 years, and lowered my cost of operating my cars (ICE) by ~50% over the same period.


Recall that EVs hit mainstream with Tesla not because they were economical or funky looking (unlike Nissan Leaf or BMW i3), but because they introduced a "wow" performance factor in normal sedan look.
A wolf in sheep's clothing - exactly what BMW ///M cars used to be!



I question that.
There is nothing wrong with incentivizing technological innovation and R&D investment. That's core part of our tax code's R&D credit utilized by everyone.
In the global scheme of things, the carbon-credit subsidies banked by EV manufactures are a pittance in terms of overall Automotive industry revenue. Tesla banked $2.76 billion from credits in 2024 vs. $1.53 Trillion in revenue from road vehicle and parts retail trade in the United States. That's 0.0018% of total!

US automakers (my work interfaces with them all) have a LONG tortured history of shifting blame for their own ineptitude onto external factors.
In the 80s it was the wily Japanese building smaller cars for women, undermining demand for their "mainly" products.
In the 90s it was all other foreigners seducing US consumers with their unnatural quality, thus failed "buy American" campaigns.
In the 00s it was about building trucks and killing sedans, and then back to blaming Japanese and Koreans for doing a better job selling those sedan back to unsuspecting US customers.
Now it's blaming EVs and pitching protectionist tariffs to subsidize the US automakers from evil job-poaching foreign EVs.

In the meantime, US auto industry has been building uninspired products and sub-standard quality, steadily losing market share decade after decade.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/anima...-1961-to-2016/




I see ZERO evidence that such a faction actually exists.
Exactly ZERO people in any of our EV-themed threads have advocated for eradicating ICE drivetrain. The intolerance always flows in the direction of EV owners, not the other way around.

Although in the modern day of mass dis-information via social media (which is where most folks get their "news"), the opportunity for Strawman Arguments is at the all time high!

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California has a ban on selling new ICE cars starting in 2035, as would any states following the CARB rules potentially. CAFE fines effectively ban them economically too (look up the fleet average mpg and tell me that's not unofficially banning them). The EU bans the sale of new ICE cars in 2035 as well (unless they only run on e fuel... No idea how you enforce that but whatever).

You're right, we do live in an era of misinformation. Saying there's not regulations trying to actively ban the sale of new ICE vehicles is textbook misinformation.
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