can someone tell me the difference between vargas stage 2 vs stage 3 vs rbs?

neilvosko · 03-08-2013, 10:01 PM

OpenFlash · 03-08-2013, 10:11 PM

RBs are available. Have been around for a while and well proven. None of the Vargas turbos have started shipping yet AFAIK.

caliguy562 · 03-08-2013, 10:16 PM

Stage 2 is suppose to be comparable to RBs. Stage 3 are larger twin upgrades. Vargas is just now shipping out the beta stage 2s and tuning the stage 3. No known numbers have been released yet. For more info, just search. I did before taking the gamble on stage 2s.

Zebra99 · 03-08-2013, 10:23 PM

Vargas is well known in the states no? They do many turbo applications.

Soooo...proven or not I'm sure the stage 2's will likely be as good as the RB's and the stage 3's are going to be epic.

BEAR-AvHistory · 03-08-2013, 10:25 PM

Yes they right up to humongous industrial turbos as big as a 335. Vargas is talking about publishing numbers around this coming Tuesday with a COBB based tune

Ænema · 03-08-2013, 10:53 PM

I've been following the Vargas stuff closely and i believe they are really going to be a SOLID product.

Stage 2s are hybrids equivalent to the RBs(which is definitely a compliment) they just have a few little variations to help improve reliability under heavy boost.

Stage 3s is a full on kit based around GTx28 turbos that are going be able to makee some serious power. IIRC the turbos on the prototype setup can flow something like 850hp worth of air. Best of all, it WON'T be tied to any one single tune.

neilvosko · 03-08-2013, 10:56 PM

stage 3 look like the desirable set.
i have been reading reports about white smoke out of new RBs, is this true

Ænema · 03-08-2013, 11:09 PM

Meh, that probably has little or nothing to do with the turbo upgrades/setup. Just about any turbo running piston seals and no cats is going to see some occasional oil smoke.

neilvosko · 03-08-2013, 11:22 PM

So what's the best choice; Rb or Vargas stage 2, pricing looks similar....?

Ænema · 03-08-2013, 11:36 PM

Until we see some numbers for the stage 2s it's hard to recommend them over the RBs, realistically though they should perform the same or even better. This coming week the stage 2s should ship and then numbers should follow a couple weeks after. I'm pretty anxiously awaiting results because i'm debating the same decision you are lol

Tony@vargasturbotech · 03-08-2013, 11:53 PM

What everyone is saying here is correct. RB's are a proven product and have shown to make great power improvements. Our stage 2's are similar with some differences. But use the same size compressor wheel. Stage 3 is on the road now and tuning. Should have 91 numbers next week on stage 3. Stage 2's are shipping Monday to get our initial numbers, so we should have some soon. Thanks for the question and interest.

Wes335XI · 03-09-2013, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ænema

Until we see some numbers for the stage 2s it's hard to recommend them over the RBs, realistically though they should perform the same or even better. This coming week the stage 2s should ship and then numbers should follow a couple weeks after. I'm pretty anxiously awaiting results because i'm debating the same decision you are lol

+1 - Leaing towards Vargas though

junitos · 03-09-2013, 12:21 AM

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junitos · 03-09-2013, 12:28 AM

1nityrider · 03-09-2013, 12:51 AM

All I know in my heart of hearts is the Vegas stage 2 is gonna make more power than the RB. Don't ask me why lol, I just know so.

enrita · 03-09-2013, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1nityrider

All I know in my heart of hearts is the Vegas stage 2 is gonna make more power than the RB. Don't ask me why lol, I just know so.

Vegas? new brand or?

DR-JEKL · 03-09-2013, 05:14 AM

This is amazing that there has been input from both Vishnu and vargas, and they haven't acted like typical vendors and slagged out their competition by saying mine is better then their because of....

Nice to see a forum full of mature vendors showing some respect for each other

NY135ivishnu · 03-09-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DR-JEKL

This is amazing that there has been input from both Vishnu and vargas, and they haven't acted like typical vendors and slagged out their competition by saying mine is better then their because of....

Nice to see a forum full of mature vendors showing some respect for each other

+1 finally

neilvosko · 03-09-2013, 09:39 AM

I am in the market for new turbos, i am not looking for >600 break the tranny power, just want a set i can run with stock DME and cobb aggressive boost levels up to redline without tapering, maybe 500 to the wheels max.

wanted to make sure the turbos a more reliable than OEM as well. i can wait a bit for VARGAS, they sound promising, dont know maybe feel like tony will improve on the lessons learned from whats been out there. i there is a group buy on them with a discount go ahead put me first on the list and PM me.

i have a feeling many others are watching VARGAS and waiting to jump on the bandwagon.

Ænema · 03-09-2013, 09:56 AM

On a dynojet RBs and the VTT stage 2s should be able to accomplish ~500whp on methanol without much problem. Neither will be able to hold 18psi all the way to redline and last though, but you won't need to to hit the ~500whp mark.

ragingpanda · 03-09-2013, 10:17 AM

Going to wait to see the results on these Stage 2 before I make a decision to upgrade.

E3r2E9r · 03-09-2013, 11:58 AM

RB's and V Stage 2 will be similar. The tuning will really bring out the power in those turbo options.
Stage 3 is aftermarket twins. It will be interesting to see what they put out.

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caliguy562 Lieutenant 8 Rep 476 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: garaged somewhere in soCal iTrader: (3)	Stage 2 is suppose to be comparable to RBs. Stage 3 are larger twin upgrades. Vargas is just now shipping out the beta stage 2s and tuning the stage 3. No known numbers have been released yet. For more info, just search. I did before taking the gamble on stage 2s.
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Ænema Captain 14 Rep 961 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Arizona Bay iTrader: (0)	I've been following the Vargas stuff closely and i believe they are really going to be a SOLID product. Stage 2s are hybrids equivalent to the RBs(which is definitely a compliment) they just have a few little variations to help improve reliability under heavy boost. Stage 3s is a full on kit based around GTx28 turbos that are going be able to makee some serious power. IIRC the turbos on the prototype setup can flow something like 850hp worth of air. Best of all, it WON'T be tied to any one single tune. __________________ "I'm not surprised you get along well with all the other neighbours. If you put fifty children with Down's syndrome in a room there is going to be a lot of hugging." David Thorne
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neilvosko Lieutenant Colonel 97 Rep 1,529 Posts Drives: 335i e92 FBO Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: miami iTrader: (19)	stage 3 look like the desirable set. i have been reading reports about white smoke out of new RBs, is this true
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Ænema Captain 14 Rep 961 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Arizona Bay iTrader: (0)	Meh, that probably has little or nothing to do with the turbo upgrades/setup. Just about any turbo running piston seals and no cats is going to see some occasional oil smoke.
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neilvosko Lieutenant Colonel 97 Rep 1,529 Posts Drives: 335i e92 FBO Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: miami iTrader: (19)	So what's the best choice; Rb or Vargas stage 2, pricing looks similar....?
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Ænema Captain 14 Rep 961 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Arizona Bay iTrader: (0)	Until we see some numbers for the stage 2s it's hard to recommend them over the RBs, realistically though they should perform the same or even better. This coming week the stage 2s should ship and then numbers should follow a couple weeks after. I'm pretty anxiously awaiting results because i'm debating the same decision you are lol __________________ "I'm not surprised you get along well with all the other neighbours. If you put fifty children with Down's syndrome in a room there is going to be a lot of hugging." David Thorne
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Tony@vargasturbotech Banned 151 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: N54 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	What everyone is saying here is correct. RB's are a proven product and have shown to make great power improvements. Our stage 2's are similar with some differences. But use the same size compressor wheel. Stage 3 is on the road now and tuning. Should have 91 numbers next week on stage 3. Stage 2's are shipping Monday to get our initial numbers, so we should have some soon. Thanks for the question and interest.
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1nityrider Second Lieutenant 64 Rep 291 Posts Drives: 2023 X4MC Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: St Paul iTrader: (0)	All I know in my heart of hearts is the Vegas stage 2 is gonna make more power than the RB. Don't ask me why lol, I just know so.
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neilvosko Lieutenant Colonel 97 Rep 1,529 Posts Drives: 335i e92 FBO Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: miami iTrader: (19)	I am in the market for new turbos, i am not looking for >600 break the tranny power, just want a set i can run with stock DME and cobb aggressive boost levels up to redline without tapering, maybe 500 to the wheels max. wanted to make sure the turbos a more reliable than OEM as well. i can wait a bit for VARGAS, they sound promising, dont know maybe feel like tony will improve on the lessons learned from whats been out there. i there is a group buy on them with a discount go ahead put me first on the list and PM me. i have a feeling many others are watching VARGAS and waiting to jump on the bandwagon.
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Ænema Captain 14 Rep 961 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Arizona Bay iTrader: (0)	On a dynojet RBs and the VTT stage 2s should be able to accomplish ~500whp on methanol without much problem. Neither will be able to hold 18psi all the way to redline and last though, but you won't need to to hit the ~500whp mark. __________________ "I'm not surprised you get along well with all the other neighbours. If you put fifty children with Down's syndrome in a room there is going to be a lot of hugging." David Thorne
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E3r2E9r Banned 7 Rep 419 Posts Drives: 3 Series Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NE iTrader: (0)	RB's and V Stage 2 will be similar. The tuning will really bring out the power in those turbo options. Stage 3 is aftermarket twins. It will be interesting to see what they put out.
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