[playwithonehand]

Sup all Beamer fans,

Just bought a 09 model 320d. Amazing fuel efficiency, Bris to Syd 900km only used 3/4 of fuel tank.! LOVE EVERY BIT OF IT.

Anyway was browsing around the forum and found this useful links
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488294

Anyway my question was, has anyone tried the bluefin on 320d after the 2009 model? (heard 2009 onward is harder to crack for bluefin)

Can you reflash yourself after car service or you need techi to do it?

Will it void your current car warranty? ( still have one and half year left)

Base on few reviews it boosted 130kw to 153kw which is very impressive for $650.

Thanks for your help!

[samchuang33]

Originally Posted by playwithonehand

Sup all Beamer fans,

Just bought a 09 model 320d. Amazing fuel efficiency, Bris to Syd 900km only used 3/4 of fuel tank.! LOVE EVERY BIT OF IT.

Anyway was browsing around the forum and found this useful links
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488294

Anyway my question was, has anyone tried the bluefin on 320d after the 2009 model? (heard 2009 onward is harder to crack for bluefin)

Can you reflash yourself after car service or you need techi to do it?

Will it void your current car warranty? ( still have one and half year left)

Base on few reviews it boosted 130kw to 153kw which is very impressive for $650.

Thanks for your help!

You cant bluefin the new tri-core processor on the 2009 onward diesel. If u want a reflash, get peter at Superchip a buzz. He is coming to Aus these few weeks. He said dealership can not detect the remap . It might void warranty for your engine side of things thou so be warned.

I'm tempted to do mine but I need to sort out why the hell is my 330d vibrating in gear first...

[playwithonehand]

Hey Sam,

I spoked to Peter, he was really helpful and quoted me $999 for installation at your prefered location and takes around 3-4 hours. All they need is a garage with light and power. He also mention that it will not void the current warranty because all they doing is upgrade the software in the ECU not soldering anything.

The only problem is when you take your car for service and if they do a big upgrade on the car it will overwrite the ECU tune setting which will restore to the factory 130kw.
Then you will have to pay again if you want them to reinstall for you.

I been looking around for a week now and found out that these type of product does pretty much the same thing.
There are Bluefin/superchips, evolve, dpchip, autologic tune etc.
They all boost at least 20kw and 70nm.

But at the end i went Autologic tune from this website
http://bemw.com.au/
He charge me $760 for the whole service at his workshop at Castle Hill and free if BMW dealer update the firmware.

Going to get it done next Thursday, so will let you know how it goes.

[samchuang33]

Originally Posted by playwithonehand

Hey Sam,

I spoked to Peter, he was really helpful and quoted me $999 for installation at your prefered location and takes around 3-4 hours. All they need is a garage with light and power. He also mention that it will not void the current warranty because all they doing is upgrade the software in the ECU not soldering anything.

The only problem is when you take your car for service and if they do a big upgrade on the car it will overwrite the ECU tune setting which will restore to the factory 130kw.
Then you will have to pay again if you want them to reinstall for you.

I been looking around for a week now and found out that these type of product does pretty much the same thing.
There are Bluefin/superchips, evolve, dpchip, autologic tune etc.
They all boost at least 20kw and 70nm.

But at the end i went Autologic tune from this website
http://bemw.com.au/
He charge me $760 for the whole service at his workshop at Castle Hill and free if BMW dealer update the firmware.

Going to get it done next Thursday, so will let you know how it goes.

it good to know that u manage to find someone locally to do it for u. I dont know anyone here in brissy that can do it for less than $1000 so $760 is a great price.

Let us know how u go.

[samchuang33]

BTW, have u consider piggy back such as DTUK? They have been rated highly by some forum members. It give u the flexibility for u to change back to ur stock setting urself. But at the end of the day, ECU remap is probably gona give u the best outcome in performance and smoothness. Just an alternative u can look at too.

Good Luck

[playwithonehand]

Hey,
Would the piggyback cost higher?
But i already paid $300 deposit for the autologic tune.
Yesterday i went around freeway and did a 0-100 test with this iphone program called dynolicious. According to numerous review from youtube its pretty good.

Anyway, one thing got me worried is that after 3 test run in 3 different places, i got a average of 0-100 of 7.7sec which is 0.3sec faster than it should be. In one of the run the peak power went to 149KW! where the stock was 130kw.
The car had 01/10 compliance date but the build date is dec 09.

Again i have my doubt on the dynolicious also those 3 runs, 2 has slight down hill.

My ultimate worry is that if the previous have already tune up the vehicle without letting me know, i would have spend $760 for nothing.
Hes overseas, uncontactable at the moment.

Fingers cross!

[QLD]

How much torque is that remap going to give you?

Have you seen a dyno printout of that tune on your cars model so you can see how smooth (or not) the power delivery is going to be?

[playwithonehand]

Basically this is how much he increase he quoted but i doubt it will be 44bhp but hopefully at least 20bhp.

Original bhp : 177
Original nm : 345
BHP increase : 44
NM gain : 103

I have seen the dyno printout on other products but not the autologic tune.
I pretty much assume, they the same thing just with different names.

[QLD]

The dyno print out is fairly important to ensure smooth delivery of the power - you dont want some home-brew remap that turns on the power in a massive jolt, basically fu**ing your transmission and feeling 'uncomfortable' for passengers.

Also keep in mind the 320D Steptronic is rated at 400nm torque max. So pushing to 450nm is on the "high side" of stretching the friendship. Your torque converter will be the main thing to watch for after constant and repetitive abuse.

[playwithonehand]

Originally Posted by QLD

The dyno print out is fairly important to ensure smooth delivery of the power - you dont want some home-brew remap that turns on the power in a massive jolt, basically fu**ing your transmission and feeling 'uncomfortable' for passengers.

Also keep in mind the 320D Steptronic is rated at 400nm torque max. So pushing to 450nm is on the "high side" of stretching the friendship. Your torque converter will be the main thing to watch for after constant and repetitive abuse.

Thanks for your advice, i should have get the print out before i do anything but since i am a noob i kinda don't know what those graph means.
From what i was told, bluefin, dpchip, Evolve and autologic turn, they pretty does the similar 30+bhp and 80+torque gain and also 7-10% fuel efficient for diesel.

Regarding to the max torque output, I thought you were the one convinced me that its worthwhile trying the tune. According to your post you mention the late 2007 bmw use the 2nd gen ZF box which have max torque of 450nm. (Mine is dec 09 build date) google is our best friend remember?

I consider myself a safe driver and i have never race with anyone in my life before. My goal is like get under 7L/100k in city and can overtake someone at will when i needed to. Plus 95% of time i drive like a grandma. haha

Cheers mate!

[Rivenscyr]

surely you've raced a toyota camry or a honda shitvic

I think the 320d + 330d have the same transmission?

[QLD]

Originally Posted by playwithonehand

........you mention the late 2007 bmw use the 2nd gen ZF box which have max torque of 450nm. (Mine is dec 09 build date)

Yeah thats true... but since I posted that I have seen info that contradicts that figure... and I am not 100% sure the OZ Steps are 450nm rated.

It really is up to you, I just want you to know all possible issues before jumping to an "unknown" remap.

For the record... if the Evolve map or Superchips remap was at a price point that made it acceptable - I would have it done tomorrow and wouldnt hesitate.

I have seen the dyno results and read online tons of positive reviews - the power is smooth and constant. My only concern (for you) is on the UK forums I see people getting cheaper remaps and they do what they say... but deliver the power in a crazy, jolting, uncomfortable way - this is not good for your pax or your cars drivetrain.

If 99% of the time you drive like Miss Daisy... why the need for a remap?

But this is starting to sound like Im negative to remaps... which I am absolutely NOT... I just want to make sure you go into this unknown map with your eyes open..

cheers

[QLD]

Originally Posted by Rivenscyr

I think the 320d + 330d have the same transmission?

No the 320d Step is rated like 150 to 200nm less than the 330d.

The weak point is in the torque converter.

[playwithonehand]

Originally Posted by QLD

For the record... if the Evolve map or Superchips remap was at a price point that made it acceptable - I would have it done tomorrow and wouldnt hesitate.

I spoke to the guy from Superchip/bluefin and he said all the car post 2008 can't use bluefin as they have different ECU encrypted. Only way to do is modified the ECU and he quoted $999 for installation at your location.

He said he performance is same as remap which he quoted BHP increase : 44
NM gain : 103.

I believe autologic tune is as popular as superchip/evolve in UK. Few people from M3forum have positive feedback (Aussie post).

btw QLD could you please read this for me and tell me whether this is good or bad.
It has dyno graph for 320d but in E46 not in E90
http://www.autologic-diagnostics.com...webversion.pdf

And again when i think about it, i really don't need to tune my car cuz its already faster enough. Something i just rush into things before thinking clearly. It all started with the thread "Bluefin or Evolve?"

And those amazing advertising lines, More torque/smoother power delivery/faster throttle response/up t0 10%fuel saving for diesel. And when you think about it, $760 really may sounds too good to be true.

Believe me, i am a safe driver. My first ever fuel tank last for 1031km Brisbane to Sydney and 2nd tank lasted 820km in city driving and you gotta drive like a mama to achieve that.

Cheers

[Stuart@BMRAutowerkes]

Those graphs look good.

I haven't heard of autologic (different to the thing that can be used to code your car??). Ideally I'd go with a brand name tune.

[playwithonehand]

Autologic is more a dianostic/car service tool for the euro cars but still does ecu tune as well.

Let me get it done this Thursday and will post result on how much kw/nm/0-100 increase.

[samchuang33]

Originally Posted by playwithonehand

Hey,
Would the piggyback cost higher?
But i already paid $300 deposit for the autologic tune.
Yesterday i went around freeway and did a 0-100 test with this iphone program called dynolicious. According to numerous review from youtube its pretty good.

Anyway, one thing got me worried is that after 3 test run in 3 different places, i got a average of 0-100 of 7.7sec which is 0.3sec faster than it should be. In one of the run the peak power went to 149KW! where the stock was 130kw.
The car had 01/10 compliance date but the build date is dec 09.

Again i have my doubt on the dynolicious also those 3 runs, 2 has slight down hill.

My ultimate worry is that if the previous have already tune up the vehicle without letting me know, i would have spend $760 for nothing.
Hes overseas, uncontactable at the moment.

Fingers cross!

DTUK cost 300pound +20 for shipping so in todays currency it is probably around $500 Aussie dollar.

I just downloaded the iphone app. Will try tonite

[Bangle]

I'm a newbie as well, just purchased a demo 09 E92 320d. I took to BM AutoWerks in Melbourne and was recommended a Kraftwerks remap at a cost of $1,455, pretty expensive after seeing this post. Anyone heard of Kraftwerks?

Please let me know how you go.

[playwithonehand]

Unfortunately my plan of autologic tune didn't work out. The guys told me their uk autogic tech spent 3days and could not crack my 09/320d ECU.

So i went for plan B and called Peter from SUPERCHIP/BLUEFIN. (he quoted $1000k for come to you install service, 44hp/103nm increase)
I don't know if this was a perfect set up or something but some how hes in Australia now! Hes in Melboune now and will go to Wollongong tomorrow to do another 320d.
If time allow, i might be able to get it done as soon as tomorrow night.
(FYI, when i called him hes super confident, been doing tune for 18years and said if you felt no performance increase you don't pay a cent.)

Fingers cross! Will post the result soon. STAY TUNE!!!!!!!!!!

[samchuang33]

Originally Posted by playwithonehand

Unfortunately my plan of autologic tune didn't work out. The guys told me their uk autogic tech spent 3days and could not crack my 09/320d ECU.

So i went for plan B and called Peter from SUPERCHIP/BLUEFIN. (he quoted $1000k for come to you install service, 44hp/103nm increase)
I don't know if this was a perfect set up or something but some how hes in Australia now! Hes in Melboune now and will go to Wollongong tomorrow to do another 320d.
If time allow, i might be able to get it done as soon as tomorrow night.
(FYI, when i called him hes super confident, been doing tune for 18years and said if you felt no performance increase you don't pay a cent.)

Fingers cross! Will post the result soon. STAY TUNE!!!!!!!!!!

I have dealt with Peter in the past before. He is a great guy and knows what he is doing.

Look forward to seeing results.

[QLD]

+1 for Peter.

Really interested in full report after remap.... would be good to hear from someone who has actually had it done, rather than just reading reviews

Good luck

[samchuang33]

Originally Posted by QLD

+1 for Peter.

Really interested in full report after remap.... would be good to hear from someone who has actually had it done, rather than just reading reviews

Good luck

Keen to do ur too?