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      10-27-2016, 10:27 AM   #23
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Anyone got an official Carly adapter so we can compare? Chip on basic adapters probably just need reprogramming to Carly identifiers.

I can't believe Carly are restricting write functions to their own adapter.

This is not some amazing piece of software. I guess they simply sniffed the data transfer from ISTA or DIS or NCS Expert and then just replicated the commands in their app. To then restrict access to a specific interface seems a little unfair.

I have no problem with them charging a substantial amount for the apps, but I disagree with their interface restrictions.
They do restrict functions to their own adapter.

I have several adapters including the Carly one, and only the Carly adapter codes properly.
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They do restrict functions to their own adapter.

I have several adapters including the Carly one, and only the Carly adapter codes properly.
What about otg cable? Is that restricted?
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      10-27-2016, 12:08 PM   #25
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Why would you not use the Carly adapter? I have it (bluetooth Carly adapter) and it works fine but I typically use the K&D Can cable as it is just quicker to connect, etc. It's the same cable I will being using for the MHD.
For me personally, I wanted a second adapter for a second car so that diagnostics are always available. I use the Carly adapter when it's available. I'm sure for most, they don't want to pay for the overpriced Carly adapter. If you are on iOS, the cable is not an option.
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Anyone got an official Carly adapter so we can compare? Chip on basic adapters probably just need reprogramming to Carly identifiers.

I can't believe Carly are restricting write functions to their own adapter.

This is not some amazing piece of software. I guess they simply sniffed the data transfer from ISTA or DIS or NCS Expert and then just replicated the commands in their app. To then restrict access to a specific interface seems a little unfair.

I have no problem with them charging a substantial amount for the apps, but I disagree with their interface restrictions.
I do have both, but I'm not eager to hack them and possibly break them. In some ways, I don't blame the Carly developers - there are a lot of fake ELM327 chips/adapters out there apparently (see wikipedia), so it is entirely possible that the buffers, processors, timing, etc. do vary. They probably don't want to risk bricking someone's car with an adapter they know nothing about. I'm pretty sure even the branded Veepeek adapter I purchased has a fake ELM327 chip in it.

As you stated, the software is not rocket science - I'm shocked nobody has come up with a competitor. There is a ton of room for improvement - e.g. simplify and automate the UI, beautify the UI, improve the pricing structure, come up with a single adapter that works with iOS and Android, allow the cellular data connection to work on iOS while connected to the adapter, provide better in app instructions/guidance, explain diagnostic codes better, etc.

Forgot to mention that I am using the latest Carly and it does generally work fine with the Veepeek adapter with the caveats I noted earlier.
I understand your perspective. However, any chance of a photo of each board?

Call me cynical but it seems to me a good way for the company to make more money, rather than any real hardware differences.

No worries though, I'll just go back to my ICOM and ISTA. Was just trying to confirm if we as consumers are being had over. I'd hate to think the Carly Adapter is simply a cheap interface rebranded as something special...
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I understand your perspective. However, any chance of a photo of each board?

Call me cynical but it seems to me a good way for the company to make more money, rather than any real hardware differences.

No worries though, I'll just go back to my ICOM and ISTA. Was just trying to confirm if we as consumers are being had over. I'd hate to think the Carly Adapter is simply a cheap interface rebranded as something special...
I have no doubt that they're similar if not the same. The Carly adapter probably just guarantees that the hardware is good, whereas it's a crapshoot with the generic stuff.

Really, that's no different than the situation for K+DCAN cables for our cars.
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