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      08-04-2017, 01:10 PM   #1
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Super RB Evo dyno numbers?

Does anyone know the power potential of the Super RB Evo turbos? I cant really find much information on them.
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      08-04-2017, 02:07 PM   #2
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We haven't really had many great dyno results to be honest. Usually reports of around 600-625rwhp. The odd thing is while the power seems low compared to some other offerings with the roller racing, the real life dragstrip performance seems if anything better. Of course drag racing results are fairly limited across the platform as roller racing is preferred, but this is what we have consistently witnessed to date.

We guess at the end of the day dynos are supposed to be a tuning tool, however they are heavily used as marketing tools. Marketing is great and all but it seems a bit suspect when the real world performance results do not seem to match up to the roller results. One who understands how to read 1/4mile slips knows how to tell what kind of power the car is truly making... even considering driver error.

Just to toss it right out there (and nearly to my disbelief) the absolute BEST Dynojet results we (RB) have seen in all of these years are from our old school Classic RB's (~690rwhp). Not that we feel they were better or this car would've been faster at the strip (or on the street); but the right guy on the right day with the right "tool" got the numbers that were pretty darn fantastic.

Regardless of the options out there, they all seem to be tapped in the very high 10 range with all of the stars aligned. A mid 10 would be equivalent to catching lighting in a bottle, at least in a full weight car with the stock trans. We honestly wouldn't expect that to happen in the next several years, if ever, with any of the options out there today.

All the "bigger" options seem to be able to achieve low 11 second passes for mere mortals. The aforementioned Classic RB's have been recorded doing a 10.94sec, and Super RB's 10.72sec; for reference. Both ironically enough on the same full weight E90 with an AT and same driver (the guy knows how to drag race!).

For true real world performance besting the mid 10's on this platform (full weight/stock powertrain) it seems a real Stage 3 twin kit will be necessary.

Rob

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We haven't really had many great dyno results to be honest. Usually reports of around 600-625rwhp. The odd thing is while the power seems low compared to some other offerings with the roller racing, the real life dragstrip performance seems if anything better. Of course drag racing results are fairly limited across the platform as roller racing is preferred, but this is what we have consistently witnessed to date.

We guess at the end of the day dynos are supposed to be a tuning tool, however they are heavily used as marketing tools. Marketing is great and all but it seems a bit suspect when the real world performance results do not seem to match up to the roller results. One who understands how to read 1/4mile slips knows how to tell what kind of power the car is truly making... even considering driver error.

Just to toss it right out there (and nearly to my disbelief) the absolute BEST Dynojet results we (RB) have seen in all of these years are from our old school Classic RB's (~690rwhp). Not that we feel they were better or this car would've been faster at the strip (or on the street); but the right guy on the right day with the right "tool" got the numbers that were pretty darn fantastic.

Regardless of the options out there, they all seem to be tapped in the very high 10 range with all of the stars aligned. A mid 10 would be equivalent to catching lighting in a bottle, at least in a full weight car with the stock trans. We honestly wouldn't expect that to happen in the next several years, if ever, with any of the options out there today.

All the "bigger" options seem to be able to achieve low 11 second passes for mere mortals. The aforementioned Classic RB's have been recorded doing a 10.94sec, and Super RB's 10.72sec; for reference.

For true real world performance besting the mid 10's on this platform it seems a real Stage 3 twin kit will be necessary.

Rob
So no real world dyno graphs available? How are the spool characteristics on the SUper RB evos compared to the standard RB's? Id like to compare graphs but like you said, there isnt a whole lot out there yet for these lol
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So no real world dyno graphs available? How are the spool characteristics on the SUper RB evos compared to the standard RB's? Id like to compare graphs but like you said, there isnt a whole lot out there yet for these lol
There are graphs out there but as stated nothing to write home about. When the marketeers starting pouring out big number dynos regularly there never was really any point to share a lowly 600rwhp graph, hell that is miserable as 750+rwhp is the norm... right?

You can drop an email or call if you'd like to discuss any of our options or what may, or may not, work the best for you. In some cases a Single Kit could be the answer, especially if roller (or roll) racing is your thing.

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I've got virtual dynos of rb classics on pump fuel pre inlets, rbs with inlets e40, rb stealths on e40 and rb Evos on e40.

I enter the appropriate settings to get consistent readings including temperature and barometer and smoothing at 6.

Ambient temperatures are 30-32 degrees all year round.

Highest peak numbers are just shy of 400kw or 600hp on stealths. 22psi 10 degree timing e40 fuel.

Only Virtual dynos, no actual dynos.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=976234
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25 rb classics inlet e40 dynojet settings
26 rb stealths dynojet, 1.0 setting dyno dynamics and mustang dyno setting.
46 rb Evo base map o2 sensor broken dumping fuel in bank 1. Mustang dyno setting

Coming rbevos tuned on e40 and meth, been waiting for AD Engineering to send me diff kit!

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We haven't really had many great dyno results to be honest. Usually reports of around 600-625rwhp. The odd thing is while the power seems low compared to some other offerings with the roller racing, the real life dragstrip performance seems if anything better. Of course drag racing results are fairly limited across the platform as roller racing is preferred, but this is what we have consistently witnessed to date.

We guess at the end of the day dynos are supposed to be a tuning tool, however they are heavily used as marketing tools. Marketing is great and all but it seems a bit suspect when the real world performance results do not seem to match up to the roller results. One who understands how to read 1/4mile slips knows how to tell what kind of power the car is truly making... even considering driver error.

Just to toss it right out there (and nearly to my disbelief) the absolute BEST Dynojet results we (RB) have seen in all of these years are from our old school Classic RB's (~690rwhp). Not that we feel they were better or this car would've been faster at the strip (or on the street); but the right guy on the right day with the right "tool" got the numbers that were pretty darn fantastic.

Regardless of the options out there, they all seem to be tapped in the very high 10 range with all of the stars aligned. A mid 10 would be equivalent to catching lighting in a bottle, at least in a full weight car with the stock trans. We honestly wouldn't expect that to happen in the next several years, if ever, with any of the options out there today.

All the "bigger" options seem to be able to achieve low 11 second passes for mere mortals. The aforementioned Classic RB's have been recorded doing a 10.94sec, and Super RB's 10.72sec; for reference. Both ironically enough on the same full weight E90 with an AT and same driver (the guy knows how to drag race!).

For true real world performance besting the mid 10's on this platform (full weight/stock powertrain) it seems a real Stage 3 twin kit will be necessary.

Rob
Rob, those ETs are no doubt great, but what mph are they seeing? Are they mid to high 120s, or are you seeing 130+ from them?
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Rob, those ETs are no doubt great, but what mph are they seeing? Are they mid to high 120s, or are you seeing 130+ from them?
We had classic RB's go 127mph in 2011 with stock inlets/outlets, JB3/no back end flash, downpipes, basic upgraded IC, and race gas. (Full weight E90)

We had classic RB's go 130mph on 2015 with aftermarket inlets/stock outlets, JB4/backend, downpipes, basic upgraded IC, and PI/E85. (Full weight E90)

We had Super RB EVO's go 130-135 on a couple setups FBO and full tuning/E85 fueling. (Full weight E82, Full weight E90)

Upward of the low-mid 13x mph range seems to be fairly allusive and it takes quite a bit to get there, and quite frankly we do not think any of the offerings out there these days should be pushed to this point due to the extreme abuse involved- it usually will not end up good over time. In addition it does not seem that any of the current similar combinations, ours or competitive, aftermarket casted or not, "Stage 3" type or not; have the ability to do really do any better than what we have already seen.

Rob

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