1st gear Kicks hard?

305coupe335i · 03-02-2008, 03:23 AM

For some reason when Im at a Dead stop then get on the throttle slightly, first gear seems to kick hard. is this normal? not sure what rpm its at but guessing around 1k. I have 550 miles(auto). It kind of freaks me out or maybe im just paranoid(not used to low end torque). anyone familiar with this thanks?

radgator1 · 03-02-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 305coupe335i

For some reason when Im at a Dead stop then get on the throttle slightly, first gear seems to kick hard. is this normal? not sure what rpm its at but guessing around 1k. I have 550 miles(auto). It kind of freaks me out or maybe im just paranoid(not used to low end torque). anyone familiar with this thanks?

Common issue discussed in many threads. Supposedly the most recent Progman update "fixes" it but I like the old Progman (except I would like the Nav update) and you get used to it and can eliminate it with careful use of the brake and throttle.

305coupe335i · 03-02-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by radgator1

Common issue discussed in many threads. Supposedly the most recent Progman update "fixes" it but I like the old Progman (except I would like the Nav update) and you get used to it and can eliminate it with careful use of the brake and throttle.

is it something serious? or can i sound sleep at night? i also swith to DS at higher speeds. if that may be related.

munters · 03-02-2008, 07:19 AM

No, it's nothing serious and the last progman doesn't eliminate it.
It is under research at the moment by BMW but will be a SW upgrade in a later version.

305coupe335i · 03-02-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by munters

No, it's nothing serious and the last progman doesn't eliminate it.
It is under research at the moment by BMW but will be a SW upgrade in a later version.

Yea today i gave it some throttle and found the right feel for it and it shifts smoother. Do alot of the newer coupes do that? ive used the search several times but dont get much. im not sure if im typing the write thread name. thanks guys

Mattscott · 03-02-2008, 02:30 PM

I have SSTT and step. Mine kicks pretty hard in first gear as well. You need to give it JUST enough gas for an easy take off and clean shift. I still even get the kick every now and then. 18000 miles here.

305coupe335i · 03-02-2008, 04:23 PM

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I have SSTT and step. Mine kicks pretty hard in first gear as well. You need to give it JUST enough gas for an easy take off and clean shift. I still even get the kick every now and then. 18000 miles here.

But what I'm not understanding is why does it do this. It doesn't have to do with the tranny right? my guess is the torque and amount of throttle response

e90AW335i · 03-02-2008, 04:28 PM

My does this as well. Brand new with only 70 miles on it, so the new program doesn't eliminate it....

Mattscott · 03-02-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 305coupe335i

But what I'm not understanding is why does it do this. It doesn't have to do with the tranny right? my guess is the torque and amount of throttle response

If I had to guess I would say since SSTT increases both of those, That 370 ft/lbs of torque is gonna kick.

radgator1 · 03-02-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 305coupe335i

But what I'm not understanding is why does it do this. It doesn't have to do with the tranny right? my guess is the torque and amount of throttle response

Its not a problem with your tranny or anything, its just the way the car drives. Basically if you notice, the lurch is when you are rolling slightly then taking off in first. The way to eliminate it is to brake a little harder than you think you need to so that you feel the momentum of the car shift to the rear end when you let off the brake. It's hard to explain but I don't get the lurching at all and it has more to do with how I use the brake than the throttle.

J-Sud · 03-02-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

My does this as well. Brand new with only 70 miles on it, so the new program doesn't eliminate it....

i thought you got yours monday......

DrewKo · 03-02-2008, 08:34 PM

Yeah, hopefully BMW will resolve this issue one day, but don't hold your breath. I even had a service tech delete my neutral idle control. it helped slightly, but did not fully resolve the issue. 11/06 build. 12,3800 miles.

FotiosF90M5 · 03-02-2008, 08:36 PM

pretty annoying..especially when you have a 16 month old in the back seat. Only does it every once in a while.

DrewKo · 03-02-2008, 09:49 PM

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pretty annoying..especially when you have a 16 month old in the back seat. Only does it every once in a while.

Right, some days, nothing, other days....bang.

305coupe335i · 03-02-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by radgator1

Its not a problem with your tranny or anything, its just the way the car drives. Basically if you notice, the lurch is when you are rolling slightly then taking off in first. The way to eliminate it is to brake a little harder than you think you need to so that you feel the momentum of the car shift to the rear end when you let off the brake. It's hard to explain but I don't get the lurching at all and it has more to do with how I use the brake than the throttle.

oh i see, since its RW drive you brake hard when you are at a complete stop, so power shifts to back wheels, then get on the throttle. So for instance...

if i stop half assed and then get on the gas it will jerk or bang correct??

radgator1 · 03-03-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 305coupe335i

oh i see, since its RW drive you brake hard when you are at a complete stop, so power shifts to back wheels, then get on the throttle. So for instance...

if i stop half assed and then get on the gas it will jerk or bang correct??

Exactly

Try it, it takes a little practice but it works. And it doesn't mean you have to come to a full stop, but you have to feel that weight shifted to the rear before you step into the throttle, otherwise you will lurch.

RustySTL · 07-28-2008, 08:15 AM

I was having the same issue while in regular drive mode. I also had the same issue while in DS mode and it would lurch going into 3rd and 4th. Just took it in for an oil change and told them about it, they updated the software per a service bulletin (24 03 08) and it doesn't do it any longer.

dreamk · 07-28-2008, 10:15 AM

dont drive on 1st gear.

2nd its pretty good

brianhn1 · 07-28-2008, 10:26 AM

It's the stop assist. The brakes are still activated after you let go on the pedal to hold the car from rolling for a moment, especially useful if you're on a hill and starting off.

I notice it only does it on 1st gear and not on 2nd as the computer knows that might stall the car.

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