[BzzzBom]

I have the opportunity to get the BMW PE for my 2009 M-Sport 335i coupe for dealers cost (approx $1,000). It will be installed at an independent BMW / Mini repair facility. Does a BMW dealer need to do the installation to be covered under warranty? Also, can the installation be completed without cutting or welding?
Thanks!

[JhnR]

from what i read around here, you have to install it at a BMW dealer to keep the warranty on it..

cost an arm and a leg to install it at BMW dealers

[imperium2000]

The answer is yes.
They charged be 2hours of labor.

[spdy330]

The guys above are correct. It's a muffler what can go wrong? I had Mike's Muffler in El Monte install mine.

For the NA52 engine you need to cut the old one off. For your engine I am not sure.

[Forcefed3]

It will retain your warranty, because it is made by BMW. And it just replaces the stock exhaust, all bolt on.

[spdy330]

That is what I thought. Not true if you have it installed at a non-BMW dealer.

You will not lose warranty on the car just not have warranty on the exhaust.

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

It will retain your warranty, because it is made by BMW. And it just replaces the stock exhaust, all bolt on.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by spdy330

That is what I thought. Not true if you have it installed at a non-BMW dealer.

You will not lose warranty on the car just not have warranty on the exhaust.

Are you sure? Im pretty sure if you buy a part from BMW, you can install it yourself and retain the warranty. Maybe not

[2 3pair]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Are you sure? Im pretty sure if you buy a part from BMW, you can install it yourself and retain the warranty. Maybe not

I think this is right. I've asked Tischer and the local BMW dealership. According to them, BMW parts purchased from a BMW dealership come with their own 2 year warranty, regardless of who installs the part. If you have more than 2 years left on your warranty, then technically the warranty on the exhaust would run out before everything else, but you're probably not going to have any issues anyway...

[spdy330]

BMW will not do warranty work on Performance parts not installed by BMW. This goes for any part but I mention Performance only because they generally do not come with the car from the factory and would be easy to identify. Regular OEM parts they would have no idea if they were replaced or not.


Personally I would not worry about and exhaust. Get it installed outside of BMW.

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Are you sure? Im pretty sure if you buy a part from BMW, you can install it yourself and retain the warranty. Maybe not

[spdy330]

2 year warranty is correct. But BMW will not warranty the labor on the part if not installed by them. You would need to take it back to the person you purchased it from and then bring the defective part to BMW with your receipt for the warranty replacement.

Once you get the replacement part you would then need to go back to the independant and get it put back on.

Originally Posted by 2 3pair

I think this is right. I've asked Tischer and the local BMW dealership. According to them, BMW parts purchased from a BMW dealership come with their own 2 year warranty, regardless of who installs the part. If you have more than 2 years left on your warranty, then technically the warranty on the exhaust would run out before everything else, but you're probably not going to have any issues anyway...

[imperium2000]

spdy330 is correct. If you get the part installed outside of the dealer, they will warranty the part but not the work done. They can also argue that the defect is due to poor installation and refuse the warranty.

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by 2 3pair

I think this is right. I've asked Tischer and the local BMW dealership. According to them, BMW parts purchased from a BMW dealership come with their own 2 year warranty, regardless of who installs the part. If you have more than 2 years left on your warranty, then technically the warranty on the exhaust would run out before everything else, but you're probably not going to have any issues anyway...

You won't have issues anyways because a BMW dealership would never think to double check that you actually had your performance exhaust installed at a dealer... they're just gonna see it's OEM and fix it

[spdy330]

100% Agree!!

Originally Posted by imperium2000

spdy330 is correct. If you get the part installed outside of the dealer, they will warranty the part but not the work done. They can also argue that the defect is due to poor installation and refuse the warranty.

Disagree if it is not an OEM part. All BMW Performance parts are considered aftermarket. This is due to it not being a part of the vehicle from the factory.

Originally Posted by Brey335i

You won't have issues anyways because a BMW dealership would never think to double check that you actually had your performance exhaust installed at a dealer... they're just gonna see it's OEM and fix it

[JhnR]

Originally Posted by imperium2000

spdy330 is correct. If you get the part installed outside of the dealer, they will warranty the part but not the work done. They can also argue that the defect is due to poor installation and refuse the warranty.

this.

[OM3G@]

I was thinking about getting the PE myself. Does it have the same cats as the factory exhaust? If so, then what makes it flow better? Just better flowing mufflers?

[IlChengis]

Originally Posted by OM3G@

I was thinking about getting the PE myself. Does it have the same cats as the factory exhaust? If so, then what makes it flow better? Just better flowing mufflers?

I had seen an old thread (about 2 years ago) where someone cut open stock OEM mufflers after installing their BMW Performance Exhaust. The stock mufflers had multiple chambers/bends inside. The PE mufflers weren't cut open (as expected), but one can imagine that they have less chambers and bends. I tried finding that thread but was unable to... it would be nice to see those pics again.

-Walter

[OM3G@]

Originally Posted by IlChengis

... I tried finding that thread but was unable to... it would be nice to see those pics again.

-Walter

Indeed! BzzzBom, could you possible take pictures of the PE before installation or under car shots if already installed?

[shifterboy45]

Originally Posted by spdy330

The guys above are correct. It's a muffler what can go wrong? I had Mike's Muffler in El Monte install mine.

For the NA52 engine you need to cut the old one off. For your engine I am not sure.

oh no you didn't --- that is a trip, Mike has done all my muffler work since the late 70's

he did my P/E too ....

best muffler guy in SoCal if you ask me ...
behind the speed shop right ??

too funny

[shifterboy45]

Originally Posted by imperium2000

spdy330 is correct. If you get the part installed outside of the dealer, they will warranty the part but not the work done. They can also argue that the defect is due to poor installation and refuse the warranty.

Look,
the fact is that the P/E carries a 4/50km parts warranty if its installed at time of sale --- car is delivered with it installed..

if it is purchased over the counter, it carries the standard parts warranty of 2yrs/ unlimited miles for parts or workmanship defect.

yes if the shop botches the install, dont expect BMW to step up to the failure on another techs labor. -- only thing that could go wrong is if the shop doesnt read the enclosed instructions and cuts the pipe at the wrong spot (there are indentations on the factory pipes) ... and it fits lousy, it the only thing that can really happen..

the rest of the installation is with cinch clamps and they are extremely strong... BMW uses them when replacing catalytic converters.

so if the part fails, and the install is done correctly, parts warranty will cover the associated labor charges. -- just think if you installed it correctly -- and it failed -- they would still cover the labor to replace the part -- end of story ...