[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

I dont know whos car you are referring to.. it wasnt anyone we had on our dyno..

Mike

He said he did dyno it at your place. I will find the thread, hold on.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=467620&page=4

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

He said he did dyno it at your place. I will find the thread, hold on.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=467620&page=4

Oh ok.. Yeah that was just this week I didnt see it dyno but i know we had an appt for a 335i.. That must be the one.. its a dynojet it reads what it reads its not as though we can change the #'s with correction like a mustang.. He just came for a few pulls and thats what he made i guess.. He had more than just Intake though i believe he told me.. Ill ask Shaun who must have dyno'd it..

Mike

[AWD Motorsports]

1 of the member on here is getting a set this week also.. he is going to dyno before and after for us to show some unbiased results in another state and dyno.. Ill be sure to update with his results and thoughts of the upgrade..

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Oh ok.. Yeah that was just this week I didnt see it dyno but i know we had an appt for a 335i.. That must be the one.. its a dynojet it reads what it reads its not as though we can change the #'s with correction like a mustang.. He just came for a few pulls and thats what he made i guess.. He had more than just Intake though i believe he told me.. Ill ask Shaun who must have dyno'd it..

Mike

Those numbers look a bit inflated to me, I hope thats not the case with the turbo setup. Not to bash at all, Im just making that comparo to the car that claims jb+ and intake will produce 350whp. Thats almost laughable...and at only 13.5psi?? that just doesnt make sense..

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

1 of the member on here is getting a set this week also.. he is going to dyno before and after for us to show some unbiased results in another state and dyno.. Ill be sure to update with his results and thoughts of the upgrade..

Perfect, thats what im lookin for. Can you tell me who it is?

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Those numbers look a bit inflated to me, I hope thats not the case with the turbo setup. Not to bash at all, Im just making that comparo to the car that claims jb+ and intake will produce 350whp. Thats almost laughable...and at only 13.5psi?? that just doesnt make sense..



Perfect, thats what im lookin for. Can you tell me who it is?

Hes on this thread if he chooses to speak up before he does the testing thats on him..

The dyno #'s arent changeable or inflatable..They are what they are.. the dyno doesnt read HIGH and and never has... I know that car had broken T and a boost leak it is quite possible the Dyno reading on boost was off.. Thats a possibility.. however the HP is what it is..

Like i said there will be MANY more tests to come thru here just hang tight.. I have sold 4 sets so far so feedback will be coming thru.. i dont play the dyno game and never have.. if jacked up these test #'s it would only come back to get me on the next 10 sets of turbos i sell.. just sit tight there will be plenty of results.. we all drove the 335i that we did the upgrades on and its VERY VERY clear its make BIG POWER on top just like the dyno shows.. Stock turbos dont pull to 170mph like these did..

Mike

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Hes on this thread if he chooses to speak up before he does the testing thats on him..

The dyno #'s arent changeable or inflatable..They are what they are.. the dyno doesnt read HIGH and and never has... I know that car had broken T and a boost leak it is quite possible the Dyno reading on boost was off.. Thats a possibility.. however the HP is what it is..

Like i said there will be MANY more tests to come thru here just hang tight.. I have sold 4 sets so far so feedback will be coming thru.. i dont play the dyno game and never have.. if jacked up these test #'s it would only come back to get me on the next 10 sets of turbos i sell.. just sit tight there will be plenty of results.. we all drove the 335i that we did the upgrades on and its VERY VERY clear its make BIG POWER on top just like the dyno shows.. Stock turbos dont pull to 170mph like these did..

Mike

Don't worry Mike, Penn here usually doesn't believe in anything...

I'll be looking forward to your n55 build and you better believe I'll be one of the first in line for it.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by shockin330i

Don't worry Mike, Penn here usually doesn't believe in anything...

I'll be looking forward to your n55 build and you better believe I'll be one of the first in line for it.

Its cool.. There will always be doubters.. Im not concerned at all.. We didnt develop these turbos to play with dyno #'s and try and sell 5 sets before everyone figures out the dyno reads wrong.. We have yet to ever have a set of billet turbos not perform up to par.. The only drawback with this platform is you need 2 of them.. that sucks because cost per/hp is 2x as much.. the n55 is going to be a much less expensive platform and ill bet we can get some great gains.. Youll see 2nd hand results for these soon and will not surprise me to see even better gains than we posted considering the plugs and lack of meth on our test car..

Mike

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by shockin330i

Don't worry Mike, Penn here usually doesn't believe in anything...

I'll be looking forward to your n55 build and you better believe I'll be one of the first in line for it.

No, I use common sense and the facts to come up with logical explanations. I guess that car with the jb+ is just an anomaly... Is there anyone around that wants to run me with a jb+, hell I will run anyone on here with my same mods(fbo). The parts that I have come up with and put on my car are from A LOT of research, dyno proven numbers and most of all safety/reliability. Say what you want...I will back up my car with my $$$, please come try me.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Hes on this thread if he chooses to speak up before he does the testing thats on him..

The dyno #'s arent changeable or inflatable..They are what they are.. the dyno doesnt read HIGH and and never has... I know that car had broken T and a boost leak it is quite possible the Dyno reading on boost was off.. Thats a possibility.. however the HP is what it is..

Like i said there will be MANY more tests to come thru here just hang tight.. I have sold 4 sets so far so feedback will be coming thru.. i dont play the dyno game and never have.. if jacked up these test #'s it would only come back to get me on the next 10 sets of turbos i sell.. just sit tight there will be plenty of results.. we all drove the 335i that we did the upgrades on and its VERY VERY clear its make BIG POWER on top just like the dyno shows.. Stock turbos dont pull to 170mph like these did..

Mike

I dont doubt the power that these made, I just need to see how much whp OVER stock turbos with fbo. I would love to see numbers with and without meth. Why be a part forum if you dont want criticism? Atleast mine is constructive and I really am debating btw these and RB turbos.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I dont doubt the power that these made, I just need to see how much whp OVER stock turbos with fbo. I would love to see numbers with and without meth. Why be a part forum if you dont want criticism? Atleast mine is constructive and I really am debating btw these and RB turbos.

I love the criticism bring it.. I dont mind.. I know the products i sell work and i believe in them or i wouldnt waste my breath.. Just give us a little time to get some sets out there for more and more feedback and youll see we have a top contender for turbo upgrades.. Unlike the RB these are built in the stock frame with Billet Wheels and have stock reliability as well..

Mike

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

I love the criticism bring it.. I dont mind.. I know the products i sell work and i believe in them or i wouldnt waste my breath.. Just give us a little time to get some sets out there for more and more feedback and youll see we have a top contender for turbo upgrades.. Unlike the RB these are built in the stock frame with Billet Wheels and have stock reliability as well..

Mike

Hurry and make me a set! lol

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

I love the criticism bring it.. I dont mind.. I know the products i sell work and i believe in them or i wouldnt waste my breath.. Just give us a little time to get some sets out there for more and more feedback and youll see we have a top contender for turbo upgrades.. Unlike the RB these are built in the stock frame with Billet Wheels and have stock reliability as well..

Mike

You think that the RB's are less reliable or are you just saying that since yours are "more" stock like they will be more likely to be as reliable as the stockers? Please take your time, I know good things take time. Can you list again what exact modifications are done to your turbos?

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Penn999

You think that the RB's are less reliable or are you just saying that since yours are "more" stock like they will be more likely to be as reliable as the stockers? Please take your time, I know good things take time. Can you list again what exact modifications are done to your turbos?

I dont know anything about the RB to comment other than what i can see.. They are not stock framed or stock CHRA and are cast wheeled.. I wouldnt comment that they are less reliable having never even used them..

Our Turbos replace the stock front wheel with a larger billet AERO wheel.. We machine the front cover to accept this new larger front billet wheel.. The rear wheel is clipped and rear turbine housing / manifold are left stock..

Our goal with these was not 35r Type power.. There will be turbos and are turbos out there that make more power.. But they will not outspool these.. Our goal with these was stock like spool with power being held as close to redline as possible... There is no magic turbo that spools identical to stock and makes 500 on pump.. Im looking for powerband with these not peak power..

Mike

[Forcefed3]

I've been gone a while, what did I miss

[Nor_Cal_335i]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Those numbers look a bit inflated to me,

AWD's dyno is always consistent and inline with other dynojet dynos.

[335iPSI]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Im looking for powerband with these not peak power..

Mike

This is the type of upgrade I've been looking for from a company --- and I'm in the Tampa area ! I'm currently looking for a new 335, and this makes me want to hop on the N55 bandwagon and try this new turbo setup. With the billet wheel and valvetronic, this would be a quick spooling beast of a setup!

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

I dont know anything about the RB to comment other than what i can see.. They are not stock framed or stock CHRA and are cast wheeled.. I wouldnt comment that they are less reliable having never even used them..

Our Turbos replace the stock front wheel with a larger billet AERO wheel.. We machine the front cover to accept this new larger front billet wheel.. The rear wheel is clipped and rear turbine housing / manifold are left stock..

Our goal with these was not 35r Type power.. There will be turbos and are turbos out there that make more power.. But they will not outspool these.. Our goal with these was stock like spool with power being held as close to redline as possible... There is no magic turbo that spools identical to stock and makes 500 on pump.. Im looking for powerband with these not peak power..


Mike

The RB's also produce power all the way to redline, I have been doing more research on these than I care to admit. They are making roughly 500whp at 19-20psi with meth with the jb3. I think the Procede will handle these better but only time will tell, dzenno should have his installed here soon. I know there is no turbo that is "stock like" that produces 500 on pump LOL that defies physics. I am trying to justify a price and numbers, thats what Im tuned in for. Obviously im looking for power under the curve as well, only fools talk about peak power, if your car makes 500 on pump at 5000rpm but drops like a rock toward redline then you havent accomplished shit. I totally agree with you there.

Originally Posted by 335iPSI

This is the type of upgrade I've been looking for from a company --- and I'm in the Tampa area ! I'm currently looking for a new 335, and this makes me want to hop on the N55 bandwagon and try this new turbo setup. With the billet wheel and valvetronic, this would be a quick spooling beast of a setup!

Both BMW and Shiv and other people that I deem are educated have already said that the n55 would be yielding less power, which is why the 1m and the 335is went with a n54 derivative. I dont know where the n55 comment came from. We have been talkin about n54 stuff, but they are looking for someone to "donate" an n55 turbo so they can begin work on it.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_335i

AWD's dyno is always consistent and inline with other dynojet dynos.

Well can you explain a jb+ and a dci making 350whp? Cause I cant

[335iPSI]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Both BMW and Shiv and other people that I deem are educated have already said that the n55 would be yielding less power, which is why the 1m and the 335is went with a n54 derivative. I dont know where the n55 comment came from. We have been talkin about n54 stuff, but they are looking for someone to "donate" an n55 turbo so they can begin work on it.

The N55 comment came from the fact that it has been mentioned in this thread many times. At roughly 1/2 the cost of upgrading an N54, it would be great to see how this combination turns out. We all know the N54 has more headroom from a stock turbo perspective, hence the 335is and 1M. With a turbo upgrade and the valvetronic, spool characteristics could be outstanding which was my point.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by 335iPSI

The N55 comment came from the fact that it has been mentioned in this thread many times. At roughly 1/2 the cost of upgrading an N54, it would be great to see how this combination turns out. We all know the N54 has more headroom from a stock turbo perspective, hence the 335is and 1M. With a turbo upgrade and the valvetronic, spool characteristics could be outstanding which was my point.

I agree, but you are gonna need one big turbo to keep up with 2 big twins.

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by Penn999

The RB's also produce power all the way to redline, I have been doing more research on these than I care to admit. They are making roughly 500whp at 19-20psi with meth with the jb3. I think the Procede will handle these better but only time will tell, dzenno should have his installed here soon. I know there is no turbo that is "stock like" that produces 500 on pump LOL that defies physics. I am trying to justify a price and numbers, thats what Im tuned in for. Obviously im looking for power under the curve as well, only fools talk about peak power, if your car makes 500 on pump at 5000rpm but drops like a rock toward redline then you havent accomplished shit. I totally agree with you there.



Both BMW and Shiv and other people that I deem are educated have already said that the n55 would be yielding less power, which is why the 1m and the 335is went with a n54 derivative. I dont know where the n55 comment came from. We have been talkin about n54 stuff, but they are looking for someone to "donate" an n55 turbo so they can begin work on it.

They went with the n54 because it had already been tested and proven. Given the youth of the n55 engine and the time frame to get these cars out, there just wasn't enough time for R&D.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

IDK why everyone has to see huge numbers to buy a turbo?

You guys see the power under the curve yet? Cause that can get you just as far if its large enough.

Just saying peak numbers arent everything.

Not to bring up tunes again (but it fits perfect for this comparison), but some tunes have good peak power, but power under the curve is laughable in comparison.