[dzenno]

Originally Posted by e30rus

thank you shiv!

this is what the basic problem on here is, people that post INACCURATE information and corrupt the e90 community with propaganda .

post facts! is what majority of the members on here wanna see!

so thanks again shiv for correcting the false information.

hahahahhaha dude you're really whipped into the whole tuner war bullshit man...i have nothing to gain here, i've spent and continue to spend tons of my own hard earned cash on shit like modifying this car and I've ALWAYS provided non biased feedback on here...STFU seriously, or just go do some logging and learn about your tune a bit you'll be better off...

I ran the procede for 3.5 years on my car, you just showed up and you'll tell me I'm part of some propaganda...GTFO! I'd MOST likely still be running the procede if 2 thing were possible 1) turn off misfire detection 2) I didn't get a good deal on Cobb AP from a local shop that led me into a 30-day trial

No one is shoving money down my throat to do or say anything here...my opinions are not based on revenue so check again where you're getting your propaganda bullshit talk from

My GOD! I'm worse than CLAP! lol

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I found -1

Ut 70 IC 0

Bingo! Any questions Dzenno?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Bingo! Any questions Dzenno?

[Clap135]

Why is boost hitting 20psi with 17psi targets?

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

This is when you should stop posting and start listening. The Procede did not "add advance to compensate". Instead it would anticipate the falling edge from the previous tooth and put the falling edge of the current tooth in the correct place. Once again, the DME triggers timing off the falling edge of the tooth, not the rising. And if you look at the specs of the output driver we use in the Rev2, you'd see that it has a slower rise time. The fall time (to ground) has no such significant delay.

Anything else been bugging you? I'm here to help.

So that's why all the 6ATs were misfiring up top? Interesting...lol man, don't know what to tell ya...i just have a sore ass at this point datalogging procede for 6 months trying to get it to be consistent AFR wise..timing I never had any issues with but I have to say that at this point I'm just glad I don't have to know what hall effect sensor specs you've got on the procede to understand comfortably what my tune is doing...seriously, flash the dme and be done with it

[Tzu]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I have said on numerous occasions that a Rev2.5/3 is recommended to run ignition advance under boost. Rev2 can indeed run ignition advance and does so in NA mode if you took the time to log it. But the original Rev2 output driver that replicates the crank signal has a slower rise time than the ones we currently use in Rev2.5/3. Which makes it tricky to shift the crank waveform in the positive direction without running into issues. It's possible but it's not recommended. Add to that the passive retard above 6000rpm and you would end up have to advance even more to compensate.

Also, I'm not sure where you heard otherwise but the Rev3 has the exactly processor as the Rev2. Same clock speed as well. In fact, 99% of the board is identical. The reason the Rev3 has more i/o is because we took the time to consolidate and eliminate unnecessary outputs which freed up some pins on the 32pin connector. Just going to USB, freed up 2 pins in itself. With these extra pins, we could finally make use of more the processor's timed and un-timed digital inputs/outputs. This is why the Rev3, despite having more i/o, can still runs the same firmware/maps as the Rev2. During the redesign, we also took the opportunity to update the ignition output driver as well as replace a few passive components to provide a wider range of AFR adjustability as well as faster edge rises on the crank signal. This is why a Rev2 with a $50 component upgrade will perform IDENTICALLY to a Rev3. The only thing it won't have is the extra i/o and the native USB interface.

Those are the facts. They have not been hidden. They have been stated many times before on this forum.

Shiv

A driver is responsible for better timing control? What a simple solution!

You needing to update the fueling resistors is admitting fault. Man, some people just cant admit when they're wrong.

I know the procede runs advance. That's the selling point of the unit. The procede is already saying "X" degrees of advance per a two variable logic table, RPM and Calculated Load. But modifying to "X+1" is quite catastrophic. And not too get too personal here with some posters, but I did indeed log it. Remember when I asked you about parameters not being logged correctly or at all in Map 0? Then you stopped answering. But I do get responses when I flame your product publicly. Thats the secret gents!

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Tzu

A driver is responsible for better timing control? What a simple solution!

You needing to update the fueling resistors is admitting fault. Man, some people just cant admit when they're wrong.

I know the procede runs advance. That's the selling point of the unit. The procede is already saying "X" degrees of advance per a two variable logic table, RPM and Calculated Load. But modifying to "X+1" is quite catastrophic. And not too get too personal here with some posters, but I did indeed log it. Remember when I asked you about parameters not being logged correctly or at all in Map 0? Then you stopped answering. But I do get responses when I flame your product publicly. Thats the secret gents!

Many parameters things don't get logged when running in Map0 because CAN communications are disabled. I thought this was well understood. I don't remember your question in the first place. So my apologies for not answering it.

The change in fuel bias resistor gave use a wider range of AFR targeting. I didn't think anything was wrong with the old range for 99% of users. But since we released the user tuning interface, it made sense to provide for a wide range of adjustability.

As an interesting tidbit of info, the baseline rev.2 and the baseline rev2.5/3 maps will provide the the same AFR. The only difference is that the Rev2.5/3 has the overhead to run a whole point richer if desired.

Shiv

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Why is boost hitting 20psi with 17psi targets?

It might 80 UT with autotune but thats 4th gear with max 19 PSI.

I got too many logs to keep track of I think it scrapes 20 at the post shift. Nothing to call home about considering cobb is hitting 18 psi on pump gas, right?

edit -(Also I'm running a high boost gain on purpose which will inflate things).

Good for the 40 roll punch

[Tzu]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Many parameters things don't get logged when running in Map0 because CAN communications are disabled. I thought this was well understood. I don't remember your question in the first place. So my apologies for not answering it.

Shiv

I did not know at the time, hence why I asked you. Anyway, I'm giving up on this thread. You and Robert know my experience and I tried to keep it off forums for your benefit. I'm willing to post my review if you'd like?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Tzu

I did not know at the time, hence why I asked you. Anyway, I'm giving up on this thread. You and Robert know my experience and I tried to keep it off forums for your benefit. I'm willing to post my review if you'd like?

Honestly, I don't even know who you are or are familiar with any of the problems you are experiencing. If you want some help, please call and talk to me. I'm sure Robert is trying to be helpful but I think I may be able to answer more of the technical questions/issues you have.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

It might 80 UT with autotune but thats 4th gear with max 19 PSI.

I got too many logs to keep track of I think it scrapes 20 at the post shift. Nothing to call home about considering cobb is hitting 18 psi on pump gas, right?

yea, you forget the remapped timing table, fbo required part, and it does it in the mid range. Other than that everything is accurate. Comparing that to your dci/meth car thats hitting 19-20 past 5k is a little "different"

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Clap135

yea, you forget the remapped timing table, fbo required part, and it does it in the mid range. Other than that everything is accurate. Comparing that to your dci/meth car thats hitting 19-20 past 5k is a little "different"

What was the most amount of boost you ran with your JB or Procede with meth? I know you daily 17 PSI, you never turned it up? Cmon now. Spraying enough meth to drench the sahara isnt that much different, in fact a lot safer probably. Keeps EGT in check as well the combustion chamber efficiency. Where are we going with this? Cause I lose tracks sometimes. Maybe we can cut to the chase.

[Tzu]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Honestly, I don't even know who you are or are familiar with any of the problems you are experiencing. If you want some help, please call and talk to me. I'm sure Robert is trying to be helpful but I think I may be able to answer more of the technical questions/issues you have.

It's intentional.

And yea Robert is a good guy.

Have a good friday guys.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

What was the most amount of boost you ran with your JB or Procede with meth? I know you daily 17 PSI, you never turned it up? Cmon now. Spraying enough meth to drench the sahara isnt that much different, in fact a lot safer probably. Keeps EGT in check as well the combustion chamber efficiency. Where are we going with this? Cause I lose tracks sometimes. Maybe we can cut to the chase.

No, actually the only time i turned it up to 18 was during track days. Otherwise it always stayed at 17.

I simply asked why it is showing 19-20psi post shift when 17 was the target, then you said it might have been 18.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by e30rus

ive bin tuning tuning bmws for 15 years on several different platforums
e30 s52 euro motor swap /e36 turbo/e34/ and e92.

being a audi/vw and ase master certified tech.....this is my backround >>
what do you do??? how long have you bin tuning bmws???

you have one car that you have bin modding for YEARS and you know everything ??? i think not

so don't try handing down life listens to me about tuning and knowing what im doing ..

i was tuning and running turbo bmws since before you were in diapers ...

To be fair, Dzenno is on the forum a lot.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Clap135

No, actually the only time i turned it up to 18 was during track days. Otherwise it always stayed at 17.

I simply asked why it is showing 19-20psi post shift when 17 was the target, then you said it might have been 18.

It's autotune.....MAX 19 PSI. As you can see timing is stellar in 4th gear. 3rd gear had one hiccup which is a fluke as I can do 10 more logs and it wont have a hiccup there.

Boost gain is increased as well as boost delay so it will allow for a slight overshoot.

So yes you ran up to 18 on track days.

Moving on

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

It's autotune.....MAX 19 PSI. As you can see timing is stellar in 4th gear. 3rd gear had one hiccup which is a fluke as I can do 10 more logs and it wont have a hiccup there.

Boost gain is increased as well as boost delay so it will allow for a slight overshoot.

So yes you ran up to 18 on track days.

Moving on

Knock your socks off, I get shit for running 18psi on pump gas in the mid range while your running hair dryers on the Max hot setting. I don't get it lol

You know me like what 5 years now? All those year I've had something with turbos on it, if its one thing that I don't do, its turn up the boost.

[e30rus]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

To be fair, Dzenno is on the forum a lot.

well in all fairness i deleted that post. im done having a pissing match with some little kid when at the end of the day i dont care about this kid or his ragged out money pit , that runs like garbage .

Being on a forum allot and having real world Experience is a different matter...

tuning one car for a few years and posting B.S 24/7 on this forum DOSE not make him an authority ...

misfire codes , leaky turbos and a crumby meth setup and NOW having a SLOWER car DOES not make him an authority .

internet troll is more like him if you wanna put a title on

he took a 45k car and turned it into a 3k paper weight aka nazi sled that would get smoked by a k20 turbo civic witch BTW does not have misfires and cost 1/6 what he spent !!!!!

congrats to him, hes the best awesome ....

done next ......

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Knock your socks off, I get shit for running 18psi on pump gas in the mid range while your running hair dryers on the Max hot setting. I don't get it lol

You know me like what 5 years now? All those year I've had something with turbos on it, if its one thing that I don't do, its turn up the boost.

These turbo's have more left in it. I'm going 22 PSI next week. I kid!
You've missed all my sarcasm btw? Cmon now

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

These turbo's have more left in it. I'm going 22 PSI next week. I kid!
You've missed all my sarcasm btw? Cmon now

do it, let me know when you need help with downpipes cause those cats, just like my cats, wont last long

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Clap135

do it, let me know when you need help with downpipes cause those cats, just like my cats, wont last long

Oh now you want to help..... I thought I recall something along the lines of "F' that shit I aint doing that again" LOL
They havnt smelled lately... IDK. This car is flaky.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Oh now you want to help..... I thought I recall something along the lines of "F' that shit I aint doing that again" LOL
They havnt smelled lately... IDK. This car is flaky.

well usually me helping ends up with me doing it....but yea ill point this time, but probabaly end up doing it like usual.