[chris82]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

It's still probably better than NJ.

NJ? you mean the arm pit of america?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Makes sense when you think about it. We invest heavily in the military. That money, while it gets a lot of attention both positive and negative, is to protect our interests.

Exactly. And it's a bargain for our allies because they can spend way less knowing we Wil be there. We basically protect the interests of the western world.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Yeah but lets also note that BOTH Gulf Wars where started by the US.. It's not like Saddam invaded US mainland and we had developed an alliance to take out Iraq in response. Also Gulf War 2 was incredibly unpopular in Europe and most of the voters in Europe where highly against their countries getting involved. But since we are going to go there then lets not forget how the French, Germans, Hungarians, and Poles stood shoulder to shoulder with the US during the Revolution. Last I checked without Frances aid the Revolution would have been a epic fail.

Also the US has a population of over 300 million.. Many European countries have a pop of less than 30 million, so you can't exactly expect them to field 200k troops to an invasion when their entire military don't even have those numbers.

Gulf 1 was saddam invading. He started it. He was trying to take over Saudi next and take control of the majority of the world's oil supply. That's why there was such a large coalition. France sat back because they were selling weapons to him so they didn't go.

Gulf 2 was more or a change in operating principles. Prior to 9/11 we were reactive. 9/11 made us proactive. There was apple evidence at the time to say he was trying to make wmds. Turned out incorrect. It would have been a net positive however but Obama pulled out too soon letting isis take over.

I don't expect European countries to pony up as many troops as theearly US individually, but combined they should be similar and even combined it's not even close.

[Fundguy1]

I grew up on Jersey it gets a bad rap because most people only see the parts near NYC and Phili. In those parts I agree. They suck. Most people don't know that most of the land mass in NY and NJ is republican but the urban centers near those cities drag the rest of the state down with them.

[jgoens]

As far as I know this is all Jersey is about.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by jgoens

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As far as I know this is all Jersey is about.

I think most of them were actually from Long Island...which is more or less the same thing.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Gulf 1 was saddam invading. He started it. He was trying to take over Saudi next and take control of the majority of the world's oil supply. That's why there was such a large coalition. France sat back because they were selling weapons to him so they didn't go.

It was the US under Regan that supplied weapons, etc to Iraq during the 8 years of the Iran/Iraq war. Saddam was their best buddy until he invaded Kuwait.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by chris82

NJ? you mean the arm pit of america?

Ah yes PA; grass, fields, woods, some mountains.. Might as well call it Ukraine.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

It was the US under Regan that supplied weapons, etc to Iraq during the 8 years of the Iran/Iraq war. Saddam was their best buddy until he invaded Kuwait.

Yeah and we where showed the BS videos about how Iraqi troops pulled Kuwaiti babies out of incubators. Which of course was just a bunch of propaganda. And who gives a fuck if Saddam eventually invaded Saudi Arabia. A good amount of terrorist funding and terrorists (such as pretty much ALL the 911 hijackers) is coming out of Saudi Arabia. You can also add Qatar and Kuwait to that mix since quit a bit of cash coming out of those countries is going to ISIS.

Iraq is a epic level disaster and so is Libya. Killing Gaddafi was a great way to destabilize more of the region and allow yet another breeding ground for terrorists. And we got a kick in the jaw pretty much right after we ousted Gaddafi. That dumb bitch Hilary is still scrambling from the Bengazi attack. Now we are also trying to oust al-Assad, which will be yet another epic level blunder. I say we are VERY good at creating enemies just via our elected leaders (if you can call them that) sheer stupidity.

[phrozen06]

We Kick ass and take resources and land.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

It was the US under Regan that supplied weapons, etc to Iraq during the 8 years of the Iran/Iraq war. Saddam was their best buddy until he invaded Kuwait.

True. And we also gave him WMDs which he proceeded to use on the Kurds after he used them on the Iranians. Best buddy no. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of relationship.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Yeah and we where showed the BS videos about how Iraqi troops pulled Kuwaiti babies out of incubators. Which of course was just a bunch of propaganda. And who gives a fuck if Saddam eventually invaded Saudi Arabia. A good amount of terrorist funding and terrorists (such as pretty much ALL the 911 hijackers) is coming out of Saudi Arabia. You can also add Qatar and Kuwait to that mix since quit a bit of cash coming out of those countries is going to ISIS.

Iraq is a epic level disaster and so is Libya. Killing Gaddafi was a great way to destabilize more of the region and allow yet another breeding ground for terrorists. And we got a kick in the jaw pretty much right after we ousted Gaddafi. That dumb bitch Hilary is still scrambling from the Bengazi attack. Now we are also trying to oust al-Assad, which will be yet another epic level blunder. I say we are VERY good at creating enemies just via our elected leaders (if you can call them that) sheer stupidity.

It's not that Saudi Arabia is the best out there. You're forgetting they're sitting on 40% of the world's oil supply. If saddam controlled that it would have been a catastrophe for everyone. And stop the BS line that Saudi was behind 9/11. That's total BS. The people who did it were Saudi Nationals who were Al-queda, not Saudi directed, funded or backed in any way. The government was actually in total disagreement with Al-queda. It's like saying the Russian or American Al-queda fighting in for ISIS means we are backing ISIS. Total BS.
Iraq is a disaster because we pulled out after we won. Just like Afghanistan in the 90s. Libya the same. We needed to leave stabilizing forces behind like the ones still in Germany and Japan but we pussed out politically. At least Egypt was saved. Another stupid Arab spring Obama and Hillary pushed for like Syria and Libya but the people rose up and threw out Obama Muslim brotherhood and replaced them with the military government again.

[cmg5461]

Originally Posted by csu87

cmg5461 where's your graphs and shit

In your butthole

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by cmg5461

In your butthole

They all fit in ok?

[bbbbmw]

Originally Posted by phrozen06

We Kick ass and take resources and land.

I don't recall us taking their land, and I also don't believe we have taken anyone's resources (although I do think we should take resources of countries we defend...) - unless I'm wrong. I think there was discussion of us taking Iraqi oil to pay for the war, but I don't think that ever happened?

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

I don't recall us taking their land, and I also don't believe we have taken anyone's resources (although I do think we should take resources of countries we defend...) - unless I'm wrong. I think there was discussion of us taking Iraqi oil to pay for the war, but I don't think that ever happened?

No we did not and I believe Iraq is/was in the process of making huge oil deals with China.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by cmg5461

In your butthole

I just dropped a massive deuce and didn't see them. Maybe there's a graph for that?

Also another reason 'Murica is great, that thing flushed with no issues.

[fecurtis]

Mission A-fucking-complished

#murica

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

No we did not and I believe Iraq is/was in the process of making huge oil deals with China.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were anticipating having the Saudi oil fields.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Mission A-fucking-complished

#murica

Seems everyone knows it's isis except the white house lol. I also like the fact that Bush Sr. Called Sadam Sad-um which is some dirty word in Arabic. Lol

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

When was the last time one of the "coalition forces" was LEAD by one of those counrties mentioned above? They come into the fold, kicking and screaming, AFTER several visits from the US Sec o' State.

WW1, WW2

[cmg5461]

Originally Posted by jgoens

They all fit in ok?

yeah, it was hard to get them to stay in. Not much clenching force. Like one of those craigslist posts for a gently used car, but you can tell it's been abused.