[enrita]

Yeah people should read more and post less ;-)

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by import36

with regard to autotuning being "On".....this was the 3rd paragraph from Shiv's email concerning 5-10:

"You will notice that the default global boost gain is 45% instead of the usual 50%. This is intentional. Also, you will notice that Autotuning is ON in both map1 and map2. In the case of these beta maps, this only means that the Aggression value updates. But the Procede will not automatically adjust boost/timing yet. Also worth noting that the Aggression value is scaled differently from before. So don't be surprised if it reads higher or lower than what you are used to with old Autotuning maps. We intend to do things a bit differently when autotuning is fully enabled so this is just the first step. Also please leave the Baro offsetting user adjustable OFF (default setting)."

Import36 and Enrita... this still doesn't explain why I am not hitting max boost settings does it? I can read all I want and it still won't fix the issue that I can find - if it is in fact an issue.

I emailed support to find out if this is a bug of if I am doing something incorrectly. I believe the point of this thread is to discuss the 5-10 beta maps how the car drives and what I am experiencing.... and I am doing that.

[enrita]

Well thats because autotune now on this beta maps does not adjust automatically boost and ic as explained by shiv in the paragraph above.

[import36]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Import36 and Enrita... this still doesn't explain why I am not hitting max boost settings does it? I can read all I want and it still won't fix the issue that I can find - if it is in fact an issue.

I emailed support to find out if this is a bug of if I am doing something incorrectly. I believe the point of this thread is to discuss the 5-10 beta maps how the car drives and what I am experiencing.... and I am doing that.

relax man....i was simply pointing out the fact that autotune was intentionally left "On" by Shiv as noted in his email....when you stated you thought it was an error and was going to turn it off. my bad for trying to help.

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by import36

relax man....i was simply pointing out the fact that autotune was intentionally left "On" by Shiv as noted in his email....when you stated you thought it was an error and was going to turn it off. my bad for trying to help.

Sorry guys... bad day... I over reacted.

you guys think the auto tune is preventing the max boost from being hit? Any one else experiencing this? Does anyone go over 15 PSI on Map 2?

[enrita]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Sorry guys... bad day... I over reacted.

you guys think the auto tune is preventing the max boost from being hit? Any one else experiencing this? Does anyone go over 15 PSI on Map 2?

I run 18 psi no problems.

If you have Ut45% aka initial boost 14,5psi thats were the boost will settle . Aututune is OFF! It wont automatically adjust upwards to max boost 16 psi!
If you want to run 15 psi than set it to 50%

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

It should be noted that autotune is "ON" as read only.

If you want your max boost to be "16 psi" you need to set your UT to "60".

Easier said, select what boost and IC you want to run until auotune is FULLy enabled.

Hope this helps.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Sorry guys... bad day... I over reacted.

you guys think the auto tune is preventing the max boost from being hit? Any one else experiencing this? Does anyone go over 15 PSI on Map 2?

There is no issue with boost not hitting target. Make sure you are inputting the start boost in % and not in psi (ie 60% not 16psi)

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

There is no issue with boost not hitting target. Make sure you are inputting the start boost in % and not in psi (ie 60% not 16psi)

This wasn't intuitive. This means to me that the max boost has no effect and the real max boost is the "Start boost %" setting

Shiv, can you please explain the difference?

Thanks


From the Procede manual:

Power Output
● Maximum Boost (5-20 psi)
○ The maximum boost you wish to allow the engine to run at.
○ If Autotuning is enabled, this is the maximum boost level that autotuning
will be able to tune to, not the starting level. Use the “Start Boost %”
setting to tell autotuning where to start.
● Start Boost % (11-20psi)
○ The initial boost before autotuning. 0-100% between 10-20 psi. Therefore,
30% = 13psi, 65% = 16.5psi, etc.
● Start Ign. Correction (0-100%)
○ This is the ignition correction before autotuning 0-100% 0% = zero ignition
correction,100% = full ignition correction.

[wren57]

Shiv, I know you're busy, but when you get a second please check out the logs I emailed you. They look fine to me, just want to get your opinion.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by DaFish

This wasn't intuitive. This means to me that the max boost has no effect and the real max boost is the "Start boost %" setting

Shiv, can you please explain the difference?

Thanks


From the Procede manual:

Power Output
● Maximum Boost (5-20 psi)
○ The maximum boost you wish to allow the engine to run at.
○ If Autotuning is enabled, this is the maximum boost level that autotuning
will be able to tune to, not the starting level. Use the “Start Boost %”
setting to tell autotuning where to start.
● Start Boost % (11-20psi)
○ The initial boost before autotuning. 0-100% between 10-20 psi. Therefore,
30% = 13psi, 65% = 16.5psi, etc.
● Start Ign. Correction (0-100%)
○ This is the ignition correction before autotuning 0-100% 0% = zero ignition
correction,100% = full ignition correction.

AS of right now with auto-tuning read only, your max boost is your start boost. (this means your car wont autotune UP to max boost).

As soon as autotuning is finished for the new DIC mapping, max boost will still be the max allowed through autotuning and UT will still be starting boost.

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

AS of right now with auto-tuning read only, your max boost is your start boost. (this means your car wont autotune UP to max boost).

As soon as autotuning is finished for the new DIC mapping, max boost will still be the max allowed through autotuning and UT will still be starting boost.

The good part about this is that I have been thrilled with the performance on Map 2 at 14.5 PSI, with Ultra 94 octane, my Catless DPs, and my FMIC !!! I can't wait to bump this to 60% - a full 16 PSI tonight and let this thing RIP !!!!

I am really going to be thrilled when the PWM Meth kit comes out at Christmas !! (did I say that out loud?)

[jdbretz]

Originally Posted by DaFish

This wasn't intuitive. This means to me that the max boost has no effect and the real max boost is the "Start boost %" setting

Shiv, can you please explain the difference?

Thanks


From the Procede manual:

Power Output
● Maximum Boost (5-20 psi)
○ The maximum boost you wish to allow the engine to run at.
○ If Autotuning is enabled, this is the maximum boost level that autotuning
will be able to tune to, not the starting level. Use the “Start Boost %”
setting to tell autotuning where to start.
● Start Boost % (11-20psi)
○ The initial boost before autotuning. 0-100% between 10-20 psi. Therefore,
30% = 13psi, 65% = 16.5psi, etc.
● Start Ign. Correction (0-100%)
○ This is the ignition correction before autotuning 0-100% 0% = zero ignition
correction,100% = full ignition correction.

To make it easier to understand, forget about the max boost setting for the time being. It has nothing to do with what you will see on your boost gauge in the current beta maps. Its purpose is when autotuning is fully enable, for it to basically be a stopping point for the autotuning logic. If it is set to 16 psi, autotuning will not try and go higher than 16 psi even if the car has the mods to support it. This is not the case now since autotuning is not adjusting boost/timing right now. It is also a safety thing so if the car is over your Max Boost setting for longer than your overboost period setting, it will cause the Procede to revert to Map 0 because something is no right. For your case, leave it set to 16psi for both Map 1 and 2. The only thing that you should be messing with right now is the Start Boost setting. In their current form, Start Boost is the boost the car will run at i.e 30%=13 psi, 35%=13.5psi, 40%=14psi etc. It doesn't matter if you set the Max Boost to 20, your start boost is the only thing that will affect how much your car is boosting. That only applies until full autotuning is built back into the maps. Another thing to note is there is a boost taper in the lower RPM's. I don't see my full boost until about 3500 RPM's. It is usually around 12ish up to 3500 RPM's then increases to what I have it set at. When I asked Shiv about this he said it is normal. Set your Map 1 and 2 Start Boost to your desired level for each map, and leave it for the time being. Don't worry about changing your Ignition Correction setting unless you are running race gas or meth. Leave it at 100%. I hope that clears up some of your confusion. If you want anymore help it just PM me, and I'll help as best I can.

[jdbretz]

Originally Posted by DaFish

The good part about this is that I have been thrilled with the performance on Map 2 at 14.5 PSI, with Ultra 94 octane, my Catless DPs, and my FMIC !!! I can't wait to bump this to 60% - a full 16 PSI tonight and let this thing RIP !!!!

I am really going to be thrilled when the PWM Meth kit comes out at Christmas !! (did I say that out loud?)

Personally I wouldn't run 16 psi if your not running meth or race gas. I wouldn't go over 15, and that may even be pushing it. You should do some logs at 15 psi to see how your timing looks and slowly increase the boost while doing logs with each setting. I definitely would not just crank it up to 16 to see how it feels cause you may not notice when you are getting huge timing pulls.

EDIT: If you do decide to set your boost at 16, be sure and set your Max Boost setting at 17 to prevent an overboost code.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by DaFish

The good part about this is that I have been thrilled with the performance on Map 2 at 14.5 PSI, with Ultra 94 octane, my Catless DPs, and my FMIC !!! I can't wait to bump this to 60% - a full 16 PSI tonight and let this thing RIP !!!!

I am really going to be thrilled when the PWM Meth kit comes out at Christmas !! (did I say that out loud?)

The PWM meth kit is out my friend. Get your order in!

[C4sF80M3]

The issue I had though was that if the start boost setting was >= Max Boost, that the Target boost would go to 20psi. I did multiple pulls and the boost would shoot up to 20psi then fall back down. I even charted the pulls, and you could clearly see the Target Boost well over both Max and Start Boost settings. I was hoping to get an explanation for that from Shiv.

Originally Posted by jdbretz

To make it easier to understand, forget about the max boost setting for the time being. It has nothing to do with what you will see on your boost gauge in the current beta maps. Its purpose is when autotuning is fully enable, for it to basically be a stopping point for the autotuning logic. If it is set to 16 psi, autotuning will not try and go higher than 16 psi even if the car has the mods to support it. This is not the case now since autotuning is not adjusting boost/timing right now. It is also a safety thing so if the car is over your Max Boost setting for longer than your overboost period setting, it will cause the Procede to revert to Map 0 because something is no right. For your case, leave it set to 16psi for both Map 1 and 2. The only thing that you should be messing with right now is the Start Boost setting. In their current form, Start Boost is the boost the car will run at i.e 30%=13 psi, 35%=13.5psi, 40%=14psi etc. It doesn't matter if you set the Max Boost to 20, your start boost is the only thing that will affect how much your car is boosting. That only applies until full autotuning is built back into the maps. Another thing to note is there is a boost taper in the lower RPM's. I don't see my full boost until about 3500 RPM's. It is usually around 12ish up to 3500 RPM's then increases to what I have it set at. When I asked Shiv about this he said it is normal. Set your Map 1 and 2 Start Boost to your desired level for each map, and leave it for the time being. Don't worry about changing your Ignition Correction setting unless you are running race gas or meth. Leave it at 100%. I hope that clears up some of your confusion. If you want anymore help it just PM me, and I'll help as best I can.

[jdbretz]

Originally Posted by c4s335i

The issue I had though was that if the start boost setting was >= Max Boost, that the Target boost would go to 20psi. I did multiple pulls and the boost would shoot up to 20psi then fall back down. I even charted the pulls, and you could clearly see the Target Boost well over both Max and Start Boost settings. I was hoping to get an explanation for that from Shiv.

That I cannot explain, and leave it to Shiv to answer. I guess its just best to avoid setting the Start Boost to the same value as Max Boost to prevent any strange behavior.

[RR80]

Originally Posted by c4s335i

The issue I had though was that if the start boost setting was >= Max Boost, that the Target boost would go to 20psi. I did multiple pulls and the boost would shoot up to 20psi then fall back down. I even charted the pulls, and you could clearly see the Target Boost well over both Max and Start Boost settings. I was hoping to get an explanation for that from Shiv.

You shouldn't set your start boost = or higher than the Max Boost, It will make the procede think you're overboost and dial it to map0 by itself! Try set the Start boost to 90% and Max Boost to 20psi and see!

Did you have aftermarket BOV or DV? I don't think the stock DV can hold boost over 13psi .

[**335i**]

Originally Posted by RR80

Did you have aftermarket BOV or DV? I don't think the stock DV can hold boost over 13psi .

my car now is with 11-25 maps and autotunes to 14.5-15 psi almost i have only v5 +dci, so i am also thinking about this http://www.ardesign.info/store/bmw-1...4-ddv-kit.html as later i install fmic +catless dps

[OpenFlash]

If, for some strange reason, you set Start boost higher than Max boost, you will trigger an Procede overboost fault. And then your car will run in valet until you cycle ignition power. If you see 19psi on your in-dash boost gauge, it's due to throttle closure caused by the Procede reacting to the overboost condition. So it's not "real" boost pressure. You can verify this by looking at CAN dbw throttle current this event.

[RR80]

Originally Posted by **335i**

my car now is with 11-25 maps and autotunes to 14.5-15 psi almost i have only v5 +dci, so i am also thinking about this http://www.ardesign.info/store/bmw-1...4-ddv-kit.html as later i install fmic +catless dps

Yes, that's a good one! I am using the old ver of Forge DV and it hold boost well. Make sure you change to yellow spring before install, yellow is for the FBO that boost more than 15psi.

[**335i**]

Originally Posted by RR80

Yes, that's a good one! I am using the old ver of Forge DV and it hold boost well. Make sure you change to yellow spring before install, yellow is for the FBO that boost more than 15psi.

it comes with package those springs (yellows)?