[OpenFlash]

All the software and map updates that we have provided have been completely free. Just like we promised. However, we also said that we may charge for additional features and function. Either in the form of a subscription or an a la carte fee. In the case of v2, the work we put into it far exceeds the work we put into all the v1.x map revisions combined. It required a complete rewriting of the firmware, new user software as well as additional harness electronics.

-shiv

[e.n335]

The money discussion is waste of time. V2 is more than worth the price and this can be understood. Those who still complain can stay away from V2 and continue using V1.

V2 is a bargain.

Eugen

[2007_E93]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

again upgrades are updates updates are not always upgrades, windows vista is not an upgrade, its classified as a whole new product

v2 is not a new product it is an upgrade and an update of v1

Is Norton antivirus 2008 an upgrade or update from 2007. Not much has changed but still need to buy the "upgrade" if you want all the bells and whistles. You can't believe that a whole new product has no similarities to the original can you? In the case of Vista this may be more like an entire new product but compare Win 2000 and XP and they are very similar except for the way the screens look (built on the same type of platform so to speak). Just my opinion,...you don't have to agree with me.

Many people are gladly spending $150 in lightbulbs and reflectors (about $75 for each mod) and get 0 hp gain. Hell, even a dealer oil change is ~$135. Where else can you spend $150 and get ~40 more horses to what you got already?

[Ninjaneer]

Originally Posted by Bubbarossa

So, spending $150 on an upgrade is spendly unwisely? Perhaps wasting your money on VIDEO GAMES could be seen as unwise? I would take a guess that most people on this board who have bought a procede are seeking more horsepower...but that's just a guess. And seeing the $/per horsepower this upgrade gives, i don't think $150 should be an issue. Stop buying those $5 mochas from starbucks, and you'll be able to afford you games and upgrade in no time!!! =D

My post was about the statement I've heard many people make, "if you can afford $XXX why complain about $YYY." It wasn't really about this PROcede upgrade or video games specifically. In other words, just because you can afford something expensive doesn't justify having to spend on something else if that person thinks it's not worth the price tag.

It's like people saying, "oh you drive a Bimmer, you must be rich."

Oh well, it's just a personal pet peeve. Back to our regularly scheduled PROcede program...

BTW, those mochas are good But I've been getting them for free lately... Discover Card Cashback bonus

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

All the software and map updates that we have provided have been completely free. Just like we promised. However, we also said that we may charge for additional features and function. Either in the form of a subscription or an a la carte fee. In the case of v2, the work we put into it far exceeds the work we put into all the v1.x map revisions combined. It required a complete rewriting of the firmware, new user software as well as additional harness electronics.

-shiv

actually you said things like map switches and launch control would be free upgrades

[Kbueno]

Sheesh, there's a lot of drama about 150! Sure, I wish it was less (I was hoping for $50), but Shiv has got to cover the new hardware and development costs. It 's a business! I'd expect that there will be free updates....v2.1, etc.

[335iheLLraiseR]

so if i switch girlfriends from a brunette to a blonde, is that considered an update, downgrade, or upgrade?????

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

actually you said things like map switches and launch control would be free upgrades

What's your problem buddy ? You won't get it for free anyway ...

[lawdude]

Shiv says he wants a hundred fifty bucks. Not much you can do about it. Either pay it and get the new features or keep you money in your pocket and enjoy what you have. There's always Terry and his self-admitted boost controller.

[sdwilly]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

so if i switch girlfriends from a brunette to a blonde, is that considered an update, downgrade, or upgrade?????

Downgrade, redhead is a upgrade

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by sdwilly

Downgrade, redhead is a upgrade

lol +1

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by e.n335

What's your problem buddy ? You won't get it for free anyway ...

good point.....

1 PROcede V1....$1365
1 PROcede V2 update......$150

the mass hysteria and childish rants it creates.....PRICELESS

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Shiv says he wants a hundred fifty bucks. Not much you can do about it. Either pay it and get the new features or keep you money in your pocket and enjoy what you have. There's always Terry and his self-admitted boost controller.

careful with your words, i got scolded by an admin for posting something similar to that in another thread.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

careful with your words, i got scolded by an admin for posting something similar to that in another thread.

Link?

[kaji335i]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

actually you said things like map switches and launch control would be free upgrades

If you are so unpleased with having to pay for the upgrade (its not an update), don't get it. Problem solved, move on.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Shiv says he wants a hundred fifty bucks. Not much you can do about it. Either pay it and get the new features or keep you money in your pocket and enjoy what you have. There's always Terry and his self-admitted boost controller.

you-know-who states...
"The only way to make more power with this car is with more boost, its tuning 101. In tuning 101 you also learn that the more power you make the higher the cylinder pressures and the higher the risk of engine or turbo wear."

He might want to actually take an EFI class one day. Because peak cylinder pressure is moderated by spark timing more than peak boost pressure. The extra power comes from a higher average cylinder pressure during the right time period bang portion of the combustion cycle. Peak in-cylinder pressure, too early in the bang period is what breaks things. This is why the extra boost is always offset by ignition retard in a properly tuned system. Something that resistor boxes can't do.

Shiv

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Link?

i would, but it wouldn't be any good, they removed the aforementioned posts.

something about somebody recently installing a Xede, and praising the gains, then somebody said something negative about said Xede and how good a PROcede, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, and the rest you can imagine. its a recent thread BTW.

edit:

Shiv,

what the hell was that hunch...its been bugging me ever since you mentioned it. is it top secret or what?

[e.n335]

BTW, pretty good marketing strategy of the PROcede now. A scaleable piggyback. It will be hard for the competition to catch up.

[sflgator]

I can't believe some ppl are complaining about an extra $150 for this PROcede update, which really is an "upgrade," since it adds many more features than v1.4x...not to mention an extra ~40WHP and scalable TQ!!!!

I spent almost $100 for an ITG air filter, which pretty much does nothing, imho, and I'm ok with it (although I can't say I would neither recommend nor dissuade someone from buying/installing one). My point being that PROcede v2.0 is obviously a much more refined (with the elimination of the infamous temporary limp mode), scalable, and dynamic version of the PROcede than v1.4x...you get what you pay for, imho.

In addition, it seems fairly obvious that Shiv and his team have decided to go in a slightly different direction with 2 versions of the PROcede...the full blown v2.0 and the PROcede "Dark" for those folks who want a "PROcede Lite" version of the product. This in turn also makes the PROcede v2.0 worth more; for a total of $1,450 (or $1,515 if you got the code reader), you get an additional ~ 100WHP and ~ 100 lb.-ft. RWTQ...sounds like a bargain to me!!!!!! :rocks:

Either way you look at it, the PROcede v2.0 should prove to be worth the extra $$...I have ZERO doubts about it, and I'm looking forward to upgrading to v2.0 ASAP!

[tek818]

Originally Posted by sflgator

I can't believe some ppl are complaining about an extra $150 for this PROcede update, which really is an "upgrade," since it adds many more features than v1.4x...not to mention an extra ~40WHP and scalable TQ!!!!

I spent almost $100 for an ITG air filter, which pretty much does nothing, imho, and I'm ok with it (although I can't say I would neither recommend nor dissuade someone from buying/installing one). My point being that PROcede v2.0 is obviously a much more refined (with the elimination of the infamous temporary limp mode), scalable, and dynamic version of the PROcede than v1.4x...you get what you pay for, imho.

In addition, it seems fairly obvious that Shiv and his team have decided to go in a slightly different direction with 2 versions of the PROcede...the full blown v2.0 and the PROcede "Dark" for those folks who want a "lighter version of the PROcede. This in turn also makes the PROcede v2.0 worth more; for a total of $1,450 (or $1,515 if you got the code reader), you get an additional ~ 100WHP and ~ 100 lb.-ft. RWTQ...sounds like a bargain to me!!!!!! :rocks:

Either way you look at it, the PROcede v2.0 should prove to be worth the extra $$...I have ZERO doubts about it.

+1 !!

[uberschnell]

I'm with you guys, this is horse crack! $150 is too much. We should all boycott the V2 upgrade. To teach Shiv a lesson everyone here should NOT log onto the Vishnu website at 12:00 pst on Tuesday!

I will take it upon myself to send a complaint directly to Vishnu, at 12:00, on Tuesday, by way of credit card.

[2007_E93]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

so if i switch girlfriends from a brunette to a blonde, is that considered an update, downgrade, or upgrade?????

Depends on how good she is in bed.