[grkm3]

The dinan tunes runs 13.8 there beta was 15 but they dialed it back to save the turbos from blowing out.They plan on going past 15psi with bigger turbos.You have to remember that dinan has to pay for blown turbos and they dont want to chance it at all.They did not run less boost because of limp modes that is just pure speculation,just becuase one tuner gets limp modes dosnt mean dinan will also.

When I get my car I will go with the most power and most likely go with a procede and hopefully get a race map with it.I have been waiting for ever to see a fully done race map tune.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by grkm3

The dinan tunes runs 13.8 there beta was 15 but they dialed it back to save the turbos from blowing out.They plan on going past 15psi with bigger turbos.You have to remember that dinan has to pay for blown turbos and they dont want to chance it at all.They did not run less boost because of limp modes that is just pure speculation,just becuase one tuner gets limp modes dosnt mean dinan will also.

When I get my car I will go with the most power and most likely go with a procede and hopefully get a race map with it.I have been waiting for ever to see a fully done race map tune.

I've seen others mention this before, but where is this 15psi beta Dinan set up? Are people referring to the bogus dragtimes.com entry from a few months ago in Florida?

shiv

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by michsu

ok... thanks I actually haven't really "floored" the car yet and tried the true stock power so far.. my first time on the freeway was yesterday.. I don't know how long you are supposed to break the car in.. the manual something to the like of 600 miles, so I stuck with that.. but actually even at 60-80 mph, the rpm doesn't go over 2 that much.. but I'll do more research on Procede / Dinan and others now so I will be ready..

A quick fyi....about the worst thing you can do during the "break in period" is drive consistantely at freeway speeds without varying rpms.

Also, I (and others) had my original procede installed with less then 500 miles on my car. I am from the school of a "hard" break in. Remember that your ecu will "learn" your driving habits, and adapt to them.

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

You need to realize that the Dinan flash does more than make power, it changes throttle response, changes the water cooler output...

[grkm3]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I've seen others mention this before, but where is this 15psi beta Dinan set up? Are people referring to the bogus dragtimes.com entry from a few months ago in Florida?

shiv

you know what, now that you mention it I havnt seen a real beta test car from dinan either.I just re read it threw forum hersay.I Think it might be a bogus rumor now that you brought it up.

I thought I read some guy saying that they tested 15psi but backed it down for long term turbo life.

[2e9x's]

OP -

Are you able to get 100% out of your car 100% of the time right now? If not, why add more?

Before adding more HP please make sure you can safely drive the car as is. I recommend attending a good driver's school and auto-x. In reality on a road course the car is less important than the driver...

Since you are in LA, plan to attend the BMW CCA LA auto-x on February 2, 2008. That is a great way to learn your car and become a faster driver...

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by White05X3

OP -

Are you able to get 100% out of your car 100% of the time right now? If not, why add more?

The very obvious answer to that question is no....he would be in jail after driving 600 miles flat out.

Either way you go, you'll be happy.

[down4it]

Originally Posted by michsu

If I buy the Vishnu Procede, can anyone help me install it? I live in Los Angeles.. I downloaded the Procede installation video and will analyze it, but my "mechanic" level is still too low.. How long will it usually take to install something like this? Otherwise, the Dinan Dealer I am talking too (Bullet Motorsports Speedlab) says that they are getting the 2008 ECU Computer Upgrade in their shop next month.. so he said he can apply it for me next month if I wanted to.. I hear that you have to ship them the ECU now and probably have to wait 2-3 days.. I would probably like something that can be guaranteed done in 1 day (or at most just take a couple of hours)..

I live in Socal and i would suggest the Procede, and not because i have it. I got the procede over any flash because of its functionalities, easy to use, easy to install/remove, and of course the power advantages.

With the Dinan like any flash the second you flash your car with it, your money is gone and you will never see a dollar of it again, if you are like me and you dont care about the money then the other things i look at are other modifications in conjunction with the Tune... With the procede there are always new maps coming out for mods and now there will be gear specific maps along with maps for mods and maybe launch control... what happens when you get the Dinan flash and then want some catless downpipes, who knows if the flash will make the car run too rich or too lean with other mods like DP's, intake, exhaust, FMIC, or if you want to add a meth injection kit there will not be any option to tune for it on a flash. My car on PROcede V2 and other boltons is making way more power than a dinan flashed car, and i think every tuner so far is going to get shot down when Shiv makes an MS109 race gas map(if he does), i think that will seal the deal completely on what tune makes more power. If i could make 450WHP and close to 500WTQ with all the boltons i have on a race gas map there is going to be a lot of yelling going on here

All in all i think the Vishnu PROcede is still the best tune out there for the twin turbo BMW!

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by michsu

Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and just got a new 335i.. I was wondering of the difference between Procede and Dinan.. I am new to the tuning part too.. so I have been reading on the topics for a few days now.. still not quite sure which to do.. I'm guessing the Procede allows you to "tune" more out of your car, but at the warranty cost? Yet, the warranty on the Dinan is questionable at best.. Also, my car currently only has 600 miles, and I called one of the Dinan dealers and they told me to break it in first (at least 1000) before attempting to tune.. is that correct? Could I purchase the Procede and tune myself? If I go to the dealer to fix my car, would I have to remove the Procede every time or would the mechanics look at me funny knowing I have a tune inside?

The fundmental difference between the 2 are the approach they take to tune your car.

DINAN:
DINAN is a reprogramming of your engine's computer. BMW's ECU has full control over all aspects of the engine's functions and is encrypted so that street tuners cannot get in and reek havoc on their engines, causing huge warranty issues and possible bad press (ie BMW's broken down all over the place).

DINAN's tune is more modest than the PROcede tune, comes with a warranty and can be done at any authorized BMW dealer!

$2,000 (It cost ALOT!)


PROcede:
VishnuTuning takes another approach widely accepted across the community as a cheaper, user freindly and more personal... using something called a "piggyback". It's a stand-alone computer with a harness that attaches to the engine's ECU and fools the engine into doing what it wants.

PROcede is pretty sophisticated and on the verge of being rock solid. It has gone threw many iterations and software "maps" can be uploaded as the user see fit... so that they can have the performance characteristics they see fit.

$1,400, plus a laptop if you want to fiddle with your tune to make it more personal.



The finer points of each can be searched and found in many threads.
Note: "Piggybacks" can only fool a certain aspects of the ECU's function (I think it's fooling like 10-12 of them, ask Shiv) while a "Flash" has use of all the functions and all aspects, thousands of them.

Typically, if you have a lease... don't care about the intergrity of your engine and like to dragrace, you'll go with a piggyback. If you plan on keeping your car for 3+ years, just want more horsepower and all-around refined "tune" that will allow for a no-nonsense years of enjoyment, you'll most likely opt for the more expensive ECU reflash!







-Garrett

[michsu]

Thanks guys everyone is so helpful here.. even with the criticism.. seems I have to do more research on either being lazy and going with Dinan or actually learning more about my car by buying Procede.. I'm just not sure of the different "maps" that are out for Procede.. Is it similar to overclocking the computer??.. Sometimes you can overclock the computer too much and not make it work anymore.. while having a conservative overclock will still maintain the stability of the computer.. sorry, talking in computer terms.. that's all I know that can compare to the car.. since my car is still new (less than 1 month, about 2 months from production time).. what is your mileage before you try to do the Procede or Dinan?

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by michsu

Thanks guys ?

Whatever will make you happy is the good choice. I choose VISNHU a year ago and I am very, very happy with my choice. Never a CEL, never a problem, and better and better performance at each software/firmware upgrade.

About mileage, I would wait until 1500.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by michsu

Thanks guys everyone is so helpful here.. even with the criticism.. seems I have to do more research on either being lazy and going with Dinan or actually learning more about my car by buying Procede.. I'm just not sure of the different "maps" that are out for Procede.. Is it similar to overclocking the computer??.. Sometimes you can overclock the computer too much and not make it work anymore.. while having a conservative overclock will still maintain the stability of the computer.. sorry, talking in computer terms.. that's all I know that can compare to the car.. since my car is still new (less than 1 month, about 2 months from production time).. what is your mileage before you try to do the Procede or Dinan?

If your into Dragracing, where your going to be making your car a suped-up Bimmer with modified exhaust, removing of the cats, etc...

Then you would choose something like what alot of the illegal "street kids" use.. such as the PROcede. Because VishnuTuning periodically release "maps" for those dragracers whom have removed their Catalytic Convertors, or other "performance" modification.. such as running with 100Octane.

Mind you... many choose this type of "tune" and use these cars as their daily drivers... and you see all the "kiddies" post these kills up on YouTube. But you have to realize they don't own their cars and they will sell off their tune once their done with the car.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Garrett

If your into Dragracing, where your going to be making your car a suped-up Bimmer with modified exhaust, removing of the cats, etc...

Then you would choose something like what alot of the illegal "street kids" use.. such as the PROcede. Because VishnuTuning periodically release "maps" for those dragracers whom have removed their Catalytic Convertors, or other "performance" modification.. such as running with 100Octane.

Mind you... many choose this type of "tune" and use these cars as their daily drivers... and you see all the "kiddies" post these kills up on YouTube. But you have to realize they don't own their cars and they will sell off their tune once their done with the car.

Wow... that's a pretty condescending point of view.

michsu-- Nice talking to you. See you in a couple of weeks.

Cheers,
shiv

[MacDutchski]

Originally Posted by Garrett

If your into Dragracing, where your going to be making your car a suped-up Bimmer with modified exhaust, removing of the cats, etc...

Then you would choose something like what alot of the illegal "street kids" use.. such as the PROcede. Because VishnuTuning periodically release "maps" for those dragracers whom have removed their Catalytic Convertors, or other "performance" modification.. such as running with 100Octane.

Mind you... many choose this type of "tune" and use these cars as their daily drivers... and you see all the "kiddies" post these kills up on YouTube. But you have to realize they don't own their cars and they will sell off their tune once their done with the car.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Seriously, STFU!

I own my 335i, I take it to the (legal) drag strip, and I can appreciate any modification to make the car faster. Will I do them all? No, but that doesn't mean I think negatively of those who do.

Stop make sweeping generalizations. I don't own a Procede, I have a JB2R.

Dinan just recently became available and some of us have been wanting to tune our 335i's prior to this. Shiv and some others made this happen, but now anyone that doesn't have Dinan is an illegal street kiddie? hahahahhahah.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by MacDutchski

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Seriously, STFU!

I own my 335i, I take it to the (legal) drag strip, and I can appreciate any modification to make the car faster. Will I do them all? No, but that doesn't mean I think negatively of those who do.

Stop make sweeping generalizations. I don't own a Procede, I have a JB2R.

Dinan just recently became available and some of us have been wanting to tune our 335i's prior to this. Shiv and some others made this happen, but now anyone that doesn't have Dinan is an illegal street kiddie? hahahahhahah.

+1. Something really weird is going on here. It's like a few historically good contributors (Garret, Orb and a couple of others) have been abducted by aliens, brainwashed and returned back to Earth as angry, aggressive missionaries from the land of Dinan. It's really kinda scary. lol

shiv

[tek818]

Originally Posted by michsu

Thanks guys everyone is so helpful here.. even with the criticism.. seems I have to do more research on either being lazy and going with Dinan or actually learning more about my car by buying Procede.. I'm just not sure of the different "maps" that are out for Procede.. Is it similar to overclocking the computer??.. Sometimes you can overclock the computer too much and not make it work anymore.. while having a conservative overclock will still maintain the stability of the computer.. sorry, talking in computer terms.. that's all I know that can compare to the car.. since my car is still new (less than 1 month, about 2 months from production time).. what is your mileage before you try to do the Procede or Dinan?

funny you should compare tuning a car to overclocking a computer, as that is essentially what I equated it to when I first got my PROcede (I'm an IT consultant). If you are comfortable overclocking a PC and have thorough knowledge about voltages, multipliers, etc.. then PROcede is right up your alley! I live in the LA area (SFV) and would be happy to assist you with the install.

[5soko]

lets compare.

anyone have any dynos of a 100% stock 335i with a PROcede installed w.e. version we are up to now on pump gas. the gains would be useful to compare to the limited ones we have of the dinan.

from what i can see. the dinan flash on 93 octane can take out the Vishnu xede, v1.47 and V2 on 91 octane

does that mean, a dinan flash on the east coast on 93 can make as much power and more than u guys on the west coast on 91

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

+1. Something really weird is going on here. It's like a few historically good contributors (Garret, Orb and a couple of others) have been abducted by aliens, brainwashed and returned back to Earth as angry, aggressive missionaries from the land of Dinan. It's really kinda scary. lol

shiv

I was once abducted by an aliens from outerspace and was also brainwashed, until I received my V2 upgrade after 3 months and broke out of my hypnotic vortex

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

from what i can see. the dinan flash on 93 octane can take out the Vishnu xede, v1.47 and V2 on 91 octane

FWIW, most fully adapted cars running v2 (with no other mods) end up making 340-350whp on 91oct. Usually takes a User Tq setting of 92-94% to do so.

shiv

[5soko]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

FWIW, most fully adapted cars running v2 (with no other mods) end up making 340-350whp on 91oct. Usually takes a User Tq setting of 92-94% to do so.

shiv

you are talking v2 correct? can u verify that the dinan flash does indeed make more power than the rest on 93 octane?
what are the gains of a V2 on 91 octane of a full stock car on the TQ setting set to match? what is the best TQ setting for 91 octane?

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by MacDutchski

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Seriously, STFU!

I own my 335i, I take it to the (legal) drag strip, and I can appreciate any modification to make the car faster. Will I do them all? No, but that doesn't mean I think negatively of those who do.

Stop make sweeping generalizations. I don't own a Procede, I have a JB2R.

Dinan just recently became available and some of us have been wanting to tune our 335i's prior to this. Shiv and some others made this happen, but now anyone that doesn't have Dinan is an illegal street kiddie? hahahahhahah.

Hunh..?

Guess that the big difference between people who live in Cali and those who drag eslewhere. They don't drive their "tuners" on the streets... where it seems to go totally dismissed in your neck of the woods. Perhaps it's the Californication effect all over again, I dunno!

Perhaps it's all the YouTube videos or the sheer amount of members here trying to hide their tunes from their dealers. I dunno, but my Dealer would be involved in any work done on my engine... wether they sent it out or did it themselves.

90% of everyone talking about their piggy's are touting timeslips or kill stories on the strips... seems none of them race their cars. I've well documented my disdain for dragracing in other post/threads...

So yeah, I guess i look down on those people who do things the "cheap" way at the cost of others. Mind you, I'm talking about moderz or the people who want the MOST out fo their tune, but are unwilling to back that up with their wallet. Meaning, they want nothing more than more power and torque from their respected tuner.. but don't even consider lighter rims or other investments.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

+1. Something really weird is going on here. It's like a few historically good contributors (Garret, Orb and a couple of others) have been abducted by aliens, brainwashed and returned back to Earth as angry, aggressive missionaries from the land of Dinan. It's really kinda scary. lol

shiv

Nahh. C'mon dude we arent picking on yaz! Just having fun in mindless debates!

I'm like Eugene, just want a stable products thats NOT centered around MORE hp, but stable refined tune. If you were to offer a different product for all those people who wanted to run cat-back, Dp, 100octane, BOV, etc.. thats fine. But, how about showing some self control and getting a map that doesn't drop codes on 91 Octane, before you start entertaining the "fast & furious" crowd with "killa tunez".