[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by TDIwyse

Yes, I'm planning on doing that. "When", I do not know. I bought another 90 deg reducer this morning with overnight shipping ... the california shipped 90 deg reducer that was ordered 2 Saturday's ago, picked up by USPS last Tuesday, just left California this morning. They're blaming weather for the delay. Hooper, was there bad weather in California this past week?

FedEx overnight delivery came through. After Parent Teacher Conferences and dinner I got the intake side finished. Quick test drive tonight had a couple pulls at ~full boost and nothing popped off. So that's a good first step.

Hooper, here's some shots on the in/out of the IC connections. And then a quick shot of the front of the car with the underbody panels put back on. Cold/snow/ice is coming tomorrow and the next several days ... so won't get to do full tilt testing for awhile...

[Hoooper]

Awesome, looks pretty clean. I feel like this would be a CA doable mod since its well hidden and unlikely to be noticed. Looking forward to the results and also curious if you notice the mpg difference that some have claimed with the wagner

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Hoooper

Awesome, looks pretty clean. I feel like this would be a CA doable mod since its well hidden and unlikely to be noticed. Looking forward to the results and also curious if you notice the mpg difference that some have claimed with the wagner

Regarding the Wagner 335d IC ... I know their data makes it look like it's got less pressure drop than oem, but these measured results show it having worse pressure drop than oem (a bit better cooling, but not better flowing). I really like their test setup and protocol as it's an "in vehicle" test...

http://mosselmanturbo.com/uploads/me..._Mosselman.pdf

[Crawler]

Thanks for the write up. I'm looking forward to seeing what the all-telling Butt Dyno numbers look like. So much for the Wagner unit. I wonder if they evaluated it +/- red scoops.

So the MuscleMan IC requires no body/chassis modifications as the Wagner unit does?

Cheers,

J

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Very interesting thoughts but my question here is the following adn Im not the one to ask for it either. The test perfomed on the Mossleman and other ICs on an N54 will not be the same IC units gas versus DIESEL ICs. Although we are two different setups I would like the DIESEL ICs comparo to all ICs on this event, now that would be more relative to us I believe so. So as usual curiosity killed the cat I sent a video to Carsten Wagner thru WHATSAPP so that he may see this and make some assesments in the forum. I think that would be fair enough, so to say if ICs are the same for gassers as for the diesels. Again I dont know what is the truth to this but LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!

Also the is minimal trimming on the WAGNER IC let me remind most of you the IC was perfomed on 3d from a Touring 335d so bumper fascia is different, WAGNER IC is a plug and play item. I would love to see if its true to say that the IC for gassers is or not the same scale for the diesels

Crawler the scoops were never and NO ONE has tested its if any power increase I can attest that AIT are 6-9 degrees cooler than outside via my Torque reader thats all i can attest

[Puerto Rican 335d]

ok amigos got a response form carsten the IC used on that test has wrong weight also Wagner has 4 different set up for gas engines and ONLY ONE for DIESELS, he stated ALL facts on presuure drops are in his site and he seeks anyone to inquire on his site or better yet in facebook. They use a Superflow SF1020 Probench . and please ANY QUESTIONS direct themm to him at his facebook log ok Gracias

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Very interesting thoughts but my question here is the following adn Im not the one to ask for it either. The test perfomed on the Mossleman and other ICs on an N54 will not be the same IC units gas versus DIESEL ICs. Although we are two different setups I would like the DIESEL ICs comparo to all ICs on this event, now that would be more relative to us I believe so. So as usual curiosity killed the cat I sent a video to Carsten Wagner thru WHATSAPP so that he may see this and make some assesments in the forum. I think that would be fair enough, so to say if ICs are the same for gassers as for the diesels. Again I dont know what is the truth to this but LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!

Also the is minimal trimming on the WAGNER IC let me remind most of you the IC was perfomed on 3d from a Touring 335d so bumper fascia is different, WAGNER IC is a plug and play item. I would love to see if its true to say that the IC for gassers is or not the same scale for the diesels

Crawler the scoops were never and NO ONE has tested its if any power increase I can attest that AIT are 6-9 degrees cooler than outside via my Torque reader thats all i can attest

From Wagners site it looks like their 335i Evo 1 has less pressure drop than their 335d specific IC (see attached pics). The in car comparison data was using a Wagner Evo 1. Should be an optimistic comparison to the 335d IC.

I do agree that the Wagner IC (or any of them that keep the OEM connections) would be a much easier install. No question about that.

Torque, as far as I've verified by disconnecting the IAT sensor, is reading the temp at the MAF, not at the charge pipe. You must have a bad temp sensor somewhere because it's physically impossible to have the temp at the MAF that's lower than ambient air. And it would also be impossible to have lower than ambient air temps in the charge pipe if you're only using an intercooler...

Multiple intercooler makers on various threads are on record saying the OEM connections are a limit to flow. Attached is a pic why ... it necks down to ~2 inches. Seems like the biggest reason for keeping them is for simplicity of install.

Would enjoy hearing Wagner's direct insight/experience if they care to join in the discussion. Although reading over scores of IC threads, Intercooler discussions quickly turn into political/theological debates real fast...

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Gracias Tdi I like that hose on the left question I also ask are the using the below flowbench 1020. Yeah I agree w you on the side of people getting out of hands on topics like the one we're discussing, I asked him to join the forum and USUALLY it has been my experience with these big name people is that they tend to shy away cause there are two many desk engineers that know nothing and for them its a waste of time. Carsten would like for anyone to reach him via his facebook page or site and he will direct you to his engineers to discuss any matters. Let me know WHERE I can get thoise hoses for my IC ok amigo!!

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

... I also ask are the using the below flowbench 1020. ...

It appears you didn't bothered to study the test document ...

If you read the test procedure you'll see they were measuring those 4 intercoolers when connected in the car. This is a much better way to compare intercoolers. A flow bench setup is a couple steps away from the reality of how an IC actually performs in the car. How the IC performs in the car is what really matters, and that is why this was such an interesting and informative document ...

[Puerto Rican 335d]

I read part of it but in fact as I stated from CARSTEN WAGNER they have 4 different setups for gas engines and one for DIESEL and yes he did confirm me that BOTH gas IC and DIESEL IC are not set the same configurations. If any questions need to be directed to should be to WAGNER itself and not me as I wrote before. Please do so and inquire in your expertise on this cause Im not the one to answer ANY technical issues on behalf of the WAGNER or any other IC for that matter. I encourage you or anyone to inquire for that matter on their facebook page or website and get the correct answers. As per CARSTEN's words the info provided by the site you are mentioning is failing to disclose the CORRECT weight of the cooler so that alone starts off wrong. SO there goes one misconception of the test ALREADY.

Like I said before Im not the one to ask questions I bought their product CAUSE the were the ONLY one to provide the ONLY IC for our cars, I have provided dyno runs and have proven that this IC works.

Also, when I sent info about the AIT temps being different from ambient temps and cooler I was never questioned and was the truth now, there is question about it. The scoops do their work and if TORQUE reader is wrong then what can i say that issue would be another problem, I encourage ANYONE to buy the $49 scoops and try it themselves WHY no one has done beats me. It helps me but again I challenge and also ask for you guys to do it. I as every other person just put info that I have I dont mind being questioned but if the product works or not i post on my behalf not others and believe you me I have tried everything. I respect your in-site but if I say something it comes from what I have and see in my car not no other persons car. I have achieved what others have not done, I respect other persons agendas but I want to remind others not two cars are alike. Gracias

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

...As per CARSTEN's words the info provided by the site you are mentioning is failing to disclose the CORRECT weight of the cooler so that alone starts off wrong. SO there goes one misconception of the test ALREADY. ...

Uhm ... they state the Wagner IC name and type (see attached showing the studies picture/description vs the Wagner site picture/description).

It's possible this company was less than honest and manipulated the data. But if you accept the premise that companies are willing to do that then that premise should be applied to all vendors data...

The flow data on Wagner's site for this Evo I Competition IC can be compared to the 335d intercooler. The 335d IC and the Wagner Evo I Performance have very similar flow results when tested on Wagners Flow Bench. Both of these keep the OEM connections and have the worst pressure drop of any of Wagner's e90 intercoolers. If someone is going to the expense and trouble to upgrade their IC they should, at the very least, consider the negative aspect of keeping the OEM connections...

I notice you keep repeating the same stuff over and over ...

[Puerto Rican 335d]

like I stated amigo TDi go ask him I encourage YOU to do so Im not the guy to answer these questions you bestow on me, please do so and that it maintains itself clear and unbiased. If there are issues go ask him and his engineers NOT ME.

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

...Im not the guy to answer these questions you bestow on me...

Uhm ... did I ask you any questions?

[Puerto Rican 335d]

CARSTEN saw your post and noticed discrepancies and noted to me and the first issue was the weight of the item in question the EVO1, like I said I will not be the guy to answer the questions please feel free to contact Wagner thru their website or facebook. I dont want to be 3rd party answer machine. So like I said before ANYONE including yourself amigo TDi question him and not me. I have answered some questions sent to me via WHATSAPP from certain group of D owners I partake with so, because they also have tested and tried some of the products I have on my car, otherwise mums the word unfortunately and BTW you question my integrity and that alone is reasonable basis to respond any innuendos towards my persona or anything implored and thus, I will provide as many questions or answers if any, if i so desire.

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

CARSTEN saw your post and noticed discrepancies and noted to me and the first issue was the weight of the item in question the EVO1, like I said I will not be the guy to answer the questions please feel free to contact Wagner thru their website or facebook. I dont want to be 3rd party answer machine. So like I said before ANYONE including yourself amigo TDi question him and not me. I have answered some questions sent to me via WHATSAPP from certain group of D owners I partake with so, because they also have tested and tried some of the products I have on my car, otherwise mums the word unfortunately and BTW you question my integrity and that alone is reasonable basis to respond any innuendos towards my persona or anything implored and thus, I will provide as many questions or answers if any, if i so desire.

I fail to see why I should question him. I don't have his product, nor do I intend to buy his product. I also don't have, nor intend to buy, the Mosselman product. The test that was linked was a unique test that used an in-car comparison between some popular intercoolers ...

I have no personal interest in either company. You, however, do have the Wagner product, and seem to be demonstrating significant bias towards it... please note the following:

1.) You brought the Wagner product into a thread that didn't even discuss the Wagner IC. And you did it in the form of a question and statement that was already addressed in the first post of this thread.

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Why not the Wagner Intercooler it the most easy plug and play made specifically for our cars. And yeah the red scoops will help flow better air in the oem air intake

2.) Your bias is demonstrated by the fact that the only manufacturer you encouraged people to contact regarding the in-car flow test, is Wagner. If you were really interested in, and wanting others to find, the truth, why wouldn't you encourage people to seek out both parties involved in this claim of false testing? Specifically, ask Mosselman whether they falsely claimed a specific product, that they DO specify in the test protocol, was or was not used.

Again, I don't have any of the products in the test, I'm not buying any of the products in that test, I have no bias towards any of the intercooler makers involved in that test. Although, it does seem odd that a company not involved in the actual test setup and execution would have the inside knowledge to "know" that the people running the in-car test used a wrong item...

[Puerto Rican 335d]

tdi always trying to bust my nuts as usual lets begin with this YOU DONT have either product so your comments are flawed cause you dont hv NOTHING to prove, I merely mentioned WAGNER cause my dynos (btw its a plug and play maybe you dont know that)have proved differently which BTW you have not, sure you have the on record the 1/4 mile run BRAVO for you. Is there ANY other IC supplier for IC for our cars I dont think so and if so please provide any info on this!! Is that being biased I dont know, you cant speak for either company either so whats the issue I believed we buried our differences but some of the guys in the forums EVEN ask me why is TDI always on my nuts I say I really dont know cause I try my best to ignore his issues but again im glad to always put a positive note to all this.

Dont buy the product thats your choice the vacuum cleaner agenda although ingenious it does not equal to daily driving

I challenge YOU TDI to move forward and approached these two companies and give us feedback your always in a great mood to provide your personal insight come on amigo do this for us be a team player if you may

You seem to know everything and anything and kudos to you amigo but you dont have and will not buy the IC from anyone, uumm makes me wonder your demeanor.

No Im not planning to ask Mosselman you brought the product to light I just suggested why not WAGNER since SOME of us here have had the COJONES to buy it and are happy about it, why dont go ahead and ask for us amigo TDi you seem to be the most knowledgeable person to ask these techie questions, I wholeheartedly believe your the appropriate person to make these questions since a lot of the guys look up to you and your expertise, please do them a favor and be part of the team amigo!!

Im really forwards to see what insight you can get out of the answers from the perspective view of each product and so as the other guys here

[2deerwhistlers]

All we have here is a man (TDIwyse) demonstrating scientific method, as well as finding a way to eliminate boost leaks.. Good job.. Keep the data flow plentiful.

This thread has nothing to do with brand loyalties, it's about improving upon BMWs screw ups

[TDIwyse]

Thanks 2deerwhistlers for understanding.

Axle, I was going to respond, but between the difficulty of understanding your sentence structure and flow of thoughts, and the obvious difficulty you're having following what's being discussed, I decided against it. I do wish you a good evening.

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Thanks Jess for neutrolizing this thread. Im always up for constructive criticism but in all fairness the comparos are not justifiable cause we need two DIESEL ICs to hv a more realitive assessment. Yes there is a flaw between all gass ICs but what needs to be addressed is diesel ics. And i would love a comparo between WAGNER and another company and that has not been done. Tdi has a great review BUT its not diesel engines😯

[dzlmoose]

Can't we all just agree with Axel in his first post to avoid all his bullshitry. This valuable thread has turned into another full page of Axels common I love (insert brand because they were the first to offer the product and I didn't do any research and I love how they make me feel validated).

[Puerto Rican 335d]

I forgot to tell you tdi i know 3 languages and thinking 3 at a time is hard to write here and work at the same time im pretty sure you'd be hard to come to understand what im trying to imply to you and your only language understanding 😊. Its Axel not axle😉and yes its best you dont respond cause i believe its in the best interest of the thread and btw i wish you a good evening also. I'll be enjoying my evening wishing you and everyone else to come down to sunny Puerto Rico

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Dzl you as always being a bb with your lawyer wanna be comments this conversation is between the owner of circus and me not the clowns