[jdink]

v3 harness inscription:

In Shiv We Trust.

[DTSociety]

i got the brake pad sensor light problem and was going to bring in my car for a new software update soon so get this issue fixed. i was wondering if they will be available to detect anything or is the software update the same as a program update?

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by DTSociety

i got the brake pad sensor light problem and was going to bring in my car for a new software update soon so get this issue fixed. i was wondering if they will be available to detect anything or is the software update the same as a program update?

I had that problem for 2 months. Too busy to have it taken care of since they wanted to keep the car for the entire day. Its the same software update I think.

[stressdoc]

I had a weird brake code and they reprogrammed. Nice new font.

[M3EST]

That brake issue was solved to a friend with an update.Thanks god it was progman v28.

[DTSociety]

so im assuming i would have to request for an V28 program update??

[stressdoc]

Not to stir up trouble, but interesting comparison with the information that Terry has posted over at Bimmerfest.com in regard to the invisibility of the JB1.

I bet folks would pay good money to watch Shiv, Jim, and Terry hash this issue out.

[chris b.]

Originally Posted by DTSociety

so im assuming i would have to request for an V28 program update??

cant. all that is available is whats out now. v28 was a while ago. were now at 29.2. machines are updated all the time for warranty purposes.

EDIT: shiv-let me know if you need any of my help.

[normtrum]

I asked this question on another thread and never got an answer (opinion).....if I go into the dealership for routine maintenance (I'm due for an oil change) can I specifically request that they DON'T upgrade to the new program? It's my understanding after reading through all these types of threads that they will automatically perform an update. What if I simply ask them not to?

[Numb3rs]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Just got back from Bimmerfest and I'm beat. Just thought I'd throw my 2c in regarding diagnostic invisibility/visibility with respect to tunes (piggyback or otherwise).

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The solution is to find another way of fuel enrichment that does not involve big positive short/long term corrections which result in implausible injector on-times. The ECU knows how much fuel it takes to make 300bhp/300lbft and it will interpret any big deviance from that as proof of tuning.

The solution is to actively retard timing so that the factory ECU doesn't need to. Of course, doing so would have to involve proper processing/reproduction of the crank angle signal so that there are no losses of sync or missing teeth.

Needless to say, this is an exciting time for everyone. BMW is certainly throwing us some curveballs. It's up to all the players to aim for the fences or just sit out the rest of the game.

Cheers,
shiv

Shiv,

Now that legendary tuner Jim Conforti has announced/released his new open-source tuning platform, will you be adopting and participating in making tunes for that platform..?

It seems that you are extremely knowledgeable and almost all your triumphs are in getting Hardware to overcome the software.... which really limits your time actually using your expertise and refining & honing your skills at tuning. Meaning, if you become a leader in the Sharkedit community, you won't keep fighting hardware and will be able to just sell your Shark Tunes.

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[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Numb3rs

Shiv,

Now that legendary tuner Jim Conforti has announced/released his new open-source tuning platform, will you be adopting and participating in making tunes for that platform..?

It seems that you are extremely knowledgeable and almost all your triumphs are in getting Hardware to overcome the software.... which really limits your time actually using your expertise and refining & honing your skills at tuning. Meaning, if you become a leader in the Sharkedit community, you won't keep fighting hardware and will be able to just sell your Shark Tunes.

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I'll embrace any platform that gets the job done. If Shark Edit proves to be such a platform, I'll be happy to develop maps for it. In addition to our usual PROcede development, of course. As I'm sure Jim has an ultimate direction he wants to go with the Shark Injector/Edit software, so do we with with the PROcede. Personally, I'm just eager to test diagnostic invisibility with v29.2 and MSD v81 DMEs as well as provide the features/flexibility that our customers expect.

Cheers,
shiv

[5soko]

this is interesting....

your take on the new tunning detection Shiv
"As for the code, it looks like it is viewable at the dealership level (and presumably by the end user as well)."

Jeff's take
""And FWIW it's not a hidden code other then it doesn't throw a CEL. It can however be detected at the dealer level. We have tested and have not seen any code"

Terrys take
"For example...... that the code is hidden from dealers and only sent to BMW headquarters. Yet I have a datalog from dealer software clearly showing one of the codes (2D25). Neither have I seen an example of v80 progmans limiting torque. Only the v81 ""file attached""


am i seeing a trend here?

[MarinoB]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I'll embrace any platform that gets the job done. If Shark Edit proves to be such a platform, I'll be happy to develop maps for it. In addition to our usual PROcede development, of course. As I'm sure Jim has an ultimate direction he wants to go with the Shark Injector/Edit software, so do we with with the PROcede. Personally, I'm just eager to test diagnostic invisibility with v29.2 and MSD v81 DMEs as well as provide the features/flexibility that our customers expect.

Cheers,
shiv

I check this message board everyday hoping you do lol

[e.n335]

Bumping up the thread - a lot of questions are not answered. Especially whether ProgMan 29.2 can detect tunings only with the v81 ECU or with the v80 ECU as well. Any news ?

[M3EST]

It seems that will take a while till we find out.

[BuLoOoSki]

I need to take my car for 15000mile service in 2000 miles, hope this issue will be resolved by that time!

[Jeff@Eurobahn.us]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Bumping up the thread - a lot of questions are not answered. Especially whether ProgMan 29.2 can detect tunings only with the v81 ECU or with the v80 ECU as well. Any news ?

I can answer some of these. 29.2 can detect the 4 adaptations that they care about most. This can happen on V80 or V81. The v81 is more sensitive but they both can detect certain tunes. In addition v-81 has a more invasive test that looks for additional things every time the DME is energized.

Jeff
Eurobahn

[mistermojorizin]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

this is interesting....

your take on the new tunning detection Shiv
"As for the code, it looks like it is viewable at the dealership level (and presumably by the end user as well)."

Jeff's take
""And FWIW it's not a hidden code other then it doesn't throw a CEL. It can however be detected at the dealer level. We have tested and have not seen any code"

Terrys take
"For example...... that the code is hidden from dealers and only sent to BMW headquarters. Yet I have a datalog from dealer software clearly showing one of the codes (2D25). Neither have I seen an example of v80 progmans limiting torque. Only the v81 ""file attached""


am i seeing a trend here?

how would we know if there wasn't a hidden code in addition to the dealership level code?

[mistermojorizin]

Originally Posted by Jeff@Eurobahn.us

I can answer some of these. 29.2 can detect the 4 adaptations that they care about most. This can happen on V80 or V81. The v81 is more sensitive but they both can detect certain tunes. In addition v-81 has a more invasive test that looks for additional things every time the DME is energized.

Jeff
Eurobahn

so if a tune works and is undetectible on the v81, it should do the same on v80 with the latest progman because the v81 does the same 4 tests + uses further detection methods?

[Jeff@Eurobahn.us]

Originally Posted by mistermojorizin

so if a tune works and is undetectible on the v81, it should do the same on v80 with the latest progman because the v81 does the same 4 tests + uses further detection methods?

thats the ticket

Jeff
Eurobahn

[nyc335i]

Originally Posted by Jeff@Eurobahn.us

I can answer some of these. 29.2 can detect the 4 adaptations that they care about most. This can happen on V80 or V81. The v81 is more sensitive but they both can detect certain tunes. In addition v-81 has a more invasive test that looks for additional things every time the DME is energized.

Jeff
Eurobahn

So doesn't the SSTT alter the adaptations Shiv was talking about. Meaning it can be detectable with progman 29.2?

[5soko]

Great info again as always Jeff , thanks for the info for the community, hope this can help everyone out and pass this chapter of the N54.