[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by JY335i

I had the software in for two weeks.
the other cars with active software Vishnu and procede put out anywhere from 15 to 20 up more.
the other cars have the same mods as I do. ( just software)
this was done on a dyno jet.
No I am not on 29.2

Hopefully this answers allow your questions.

Huh? I'm now even more confused.

Are you saying Active's Piggy and Shiv's piggy put out ~320-327?

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by funkdoc

You have to remember as stated by Dinan, they use 85mph cooling fans and an engine dyno and dynopack to calculate their numbers on 93 octane. Therefore, their horsepower claims are in the most ideal situations. I dynoed only 274 whp on an awd mustang dyno with intercooler,catback, and stage 2 but I'm not fazed by the numbers because the car feels very good and I hit 12's in the quarter mile with just the flash. Many factors could've contributed to the low numbers and the auto tranny is one of them. Don't fret. If you wanted max power, should've got a different tune and such.

As long as your happy who cares how much you dyno! 12s are respectable!

[JY335i]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Is this a joke?

This isn't a joke. We did 4 pulls on the dyno to make sure there was no error. I will be waiting to hear from dinan today or tomorrow.

[rooster3.0]

Did the dyno log your boost? Or do you have a boost gauge?

[Robert]

Just couple threads down, another Dinan Stage 2 tune dyno

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149952

Looks about right.

[JY335i]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

As long as your happy who cares how much you dyno! 12s is respectable!

becuase when u pay 2100 dollars you expect to get what you paid for and I didnt get anywhere near the power that they are stating I should have.
well see why happens tomorrow when I hear from them. I'll keep everyone updated.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Thank goodness we have sflgator, Ocha and Ocha's midget to steer us straight.

Oh, please, man...not your sarcasm again. So, have you figured out exactly where and when you'd like to meet for a friendly run? I was simply trying to help the guy out, saying that his dyno figures aren't that far off from Dinan's advertised figures. Like someone else said, if he wanted more HP/TQ, he should've gone with another tune. However, he mentioned having Dinan's warranty a big factor in his decision.

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by sflgator

... Either way, everyone knows that the Dinan ECU Flash for the 335i does not provide similar increases in HP/TQ as other currently available piggyback 335i tunes.

Not trying to come across as an ass but I don't think "everyone knows" or agrees with that statement at all. There was just a thread here about a Chicago Dyno Day and the Dinan flash put down similar numbers to a V2 car (with default settings) and was higher than an AA car that presumably had an Xede. Same dyno, same day, yadda, yadda, yadda. Dinan's stage II appears to be in line with the "moderately aggressive" piggyback tunes.

Also, Dinan's tradeoff of high rpm boost for turbo longevity is well publicized and directly tied to their providing a warranty. I don't know why people continually compare it to the more aggressive tunes out there.

[arter]

Based on Dinan's own website you should expect to get about 55 more Hp with the tune. 384 Hp vs Dinan's stock comparison of 329 Hp using their 8 ft fan and dyno ( 384-329 = 55). The fan probably also helps the stock setup get more than the usual 306-313 Hp.

If your Dynojet stock comparison gives 273Hp at the wheels you should expect to get about 320- 325 Hp with the stage 2. It also only max's out at 13 psi and tapers off at high rpm's ( turbo safe) so it can't provide the power of tunes with higher boost that also is maintained at higher rpms'.

[vegasspeed]

What CONDITIONS were they running the dyno at? Humidity? Temperature?

[Sniper1690]

Originally Posted by JY335i

becuase when u pay 2100 dollars you expect to get what you paid for and I didnt get anywhere near the power that they are stating I should have.
well see why happens tomorrow when I hear from them. I'll keep everyone updated.

You clearly have not read Steve Dinan's white paper on dyno's. As far as I can tell the company could care less about the numbers you put down....they have no faith in dyno machines outside of their own. There are too many variables that cannot be accounted for dyno to dyno, day to day, and car to car. In my mind there is very little you can "update" us with...I highly doubt that they will refund your money...if something is technically wrong with the product they sold you then certainly you will be refunded...

You should read up Steve's philosophy on dynos before barking up his tree...

http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/technia...ern-bmw-engine

Does you car feel significantly faster than it did before? If so, what does it matter what numbers you put down? I have full Stg. III and a good buddy of mine put down bigger HP and TQ with only Stg. II....albeit testing conditions were very different(mine was 97 degF and 85% humidity) and I only lacked 9HP and 7ft/lbs. My Stg. III is quicker than a Stg. II (confirmed) regardless of the peak HP I put down in a snapshot of what the car was doing that particular day.

[The Cleaner]

Dyno racing is humorous. Here is another variable.... go to 3 different dynos and you will get 3 different results.

[vegasspeed]

Exactly, The conditions of the dyno make the numbers impossible to duplicate. Temperature, elevation and humidity all have a huge affect on the Dyno. You aren't going to get great hp numbers in the middle of summer. Read the post about getting 400hp at the wheel in the middle of summer.

[Sniper1690]

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

Dyno racing is humorous. Here is another variable.... go to 3 different dynos and you will get 3 different results.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

Not trying to come across as an ass but I don't think "everyone knows" or agrees with that statement at all. There was just a thread here about a Chicago Dyno Day and the Dinan flash put down similar numbers to a V2 car (with default settings) and was higher than an AA car that presumably had an Xede. Same dyno, same day, yadda, yadda, yadda. Dinan's stage II appears to be in line with the "moderately aggressive" piggyback tunes.

Also, Dinan's tradeoff of high rpm boost for turbo longevity is well publicized and directly tied to their providing a warranty. I don't know why people continually compare it to the more aggressive tunes out there.

Yes, I understand that some Dinan 335i's may be as fast as other tuned 335i's, but I believe that 8/10 Dinan 335i's are in fact dyno'ing lower and are truly slightly slower than tuned 335i's with piggybacks (PROcede v2/v3, JB2, JBX, etc.). You have to look at boost and 1/4 Trap Speeds...they indicate true power. A Dinan 335i runs ~ 12.5psi vs. a PROcede v2/v3 335i which runs 14.5-15psi. In addition, a Dinan 335i traps ~ 108mph vs. a PROcede v2/v3 335i which traps ~ 111+mph. So, which one do you think has more HP/TQ?

btw -- I am not counting AA's tune (since it's still ~ equal to PROcede v1.47) or the SSTT. I guess I should not have said "everyone knows," but I thought that it's a well-known and accepted fact by now.

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Yes, I understand that some Dinan 335i's may be as fast as other tuned 335i's, but I believe that 8/10 Dinan 335i's are in fact dyno'ing lower and are truly slightly slower than tuned 335i's with piggybacks (PROcede v2/v3, JB2, JBX, etc.). You have to look at boost and 1/4 Trap Speeds...they indicate true power. A Dinan 335i runs ~ 12.5psi vs. a PROcede v2/v3 335i which runs 14.5-15psi. In addition, a Dinan 335i traps ~ 108mph vs. a PROcede v2/v3 335i which traps ~ 111+mph. So, which one do you think has more HP/TQ?

btw -- I am not counting AA's tune (since it's still ~ equal to PROcede v1.47) or the SSTT. I guess I should not have said "everyone knows," but I thought that it's a well-known and accepted fact by now.

Dinan Stage II = 13.4 psi

Dinan Stage III = 14 psi

[JY335i]

this thread isn't to start a bunch of arguing about tunes or who's car is better or faster. It is just to inform the people and the consumer about what I have spent my money on and the product and results I received in return. I am very unsatisfied with what I got for my money and want a refund for a product that isn't what they stated it should be. They say it should be 385 to the crank and it is nowhere near that. Its 20 up off and that's alot. If it was 3 or 4 or 5 up then u would live with it but 20 is just unacceptable especially from a company that is supose to be so reputable. We will see what they have to say tomorrow and I will keep everyone updated.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

Dinan Stage II = 13.4 psi

Dinan Stage III = 14 psi

What is Dinan Stage III? Doesn't that include the ECU Flash, Upgraded Intercooler, and Exhaust? All for mucho dinero; much more than the simple $2100 ECU Flash. If you'd like to compare apples to apples, then...

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by JY335i

this thread isn't to start a bunch of arguing about tunes or who's car is better or faster. It is just to inform the people and the consumer about what I have spent my money on and the product and results I received in return. I am very unsatisfied with what I got for my money and want a refund for a product that isn't what they stated it should be. They say it should be 385 to the crank and it is nowhere near that. Its 20 up off and that's alot. If it was 3 or 4 or 5 up then u would live with it but 20 is just unacceptable especially from a company that is supose to be so reputable. We will see what they have to say tomorrow and I will keep everyone updated.

You're right. Sorry; let us know how it works out for you. G/L, man!

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by JY335i

This isn't a joke. We did 4 pulls on the dyno to make sure there was no error. I will be waiting to hear from dinan today or tomorrow.

Ok, well it seems like the dyno is reading low across the board if a V2 is only making ~325 whp. So comparatively speaking it seems right on track or maybe a bit low. Maybe you received Stage One? Regardless you should be happy with what you purchased. Good luck.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Oh, please, man...not your sarcasm again. So, have you figured out exactly where and when you'd like to meet for a friendly run? I was simply trying to help the guy out, saying that his dyno figures aren't that far off from Dinan's advertised figures. Like someone else said, if he wanted more HP/TQ, he should've gone with another tune. However, he mentioned having Dinan's warranty a big factor in his decision.

No sarcasm, just a joke. Going "VROOOM" in a straight line for a 1/4 mile just doesn't do it for me.

[cmurphy335e92]

SFLGATOR

Wow, you really hate the Dinan tune don't you! On the street they are all similar with just a tune. Although it was a much closer race for me when I raced a jb2hh on the streets. From a roll he would creep a bit at 120mph. From a dig he would be at my back bumper and not start to gain until 115 or so.

When I did pulls with a V2 car from 40-120 we were dead even all the way up to 120 or so. He has catcack which was terribly loud for some reason..

You guys are getting WAYY to caught up in dyno numbers. Bring it to the real world. How does the car feel to you and most importantly.... Does the car bring a smile to your face everytime you get in it??? I know mine does