[Yotaismygame]

You guys are funny. Key board warriors at their best. There's more to it than anyone has said. Sounds like pure speculation. I'd be much further along in my truck build if this E92 didnt fall into my lap. But an E92 has been on my list of cars to own for some time. Been a good/bad distraction.

[Emilime75]

Originally Posted by Saif2018

Popularity is a criteria to judge which engines are reliable, cheap or sucked? Yes, to a very large extent, those are major aspects of how an engine does become popular in this case - and once it does become popular, aftermarket support grows, in thus making it even more popular. What criteria would you use if you wanted to engine swap a car? Would you choose one you knew was unreliable? Had difficulty finding parts for? Was expensive to buy/maintain/mod? Was in general a POS? I'd say the LS and 1JZ/2JZ are likely the 2/3 most widely chosen engine platforms for swaps, and they all share common traits - availability, reliability, parts availability, potential...

Cost varies wildly based on where you are, Yup, we've concluded that already.

lol, I was referring to engine technology, which LS engine you on about exactly?

The N54 was ahead of its time technically when it came out, So what? That doesn't mean there isn't a better option, regardless of how "old" the technology is. If it works, it works.

The newer LS engines are expensive, We're not talking about those. How expensive is an S63 or an S65?

I remember reading about 2 valve per cylinder huge engines, underpowered for the size compared to European performance engines. Which cost how much for comparable performance? Where do you get those? How reliable are they? How much are maintenance/repair and performance parts? What kind of aftermarket support do they have?

Basically, you're just not getting it, and since you're in the UK, that's not surprising - and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Things over there will be very different than they are over here, especially since we're discussing American engines.

[Saif2018]

Originally Posted by Emilime75

Basically, you're just not getting it, and since you're in the UK, that's not surprising - and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Things over there will be very different than they are over here, especially since we're discussing American engines.

Well the thing is, that video was by someone in US who did LS swaps,

He recommended not to do it, so it's not just a UK thing, maybe watch it.

[iqraceworks]

Originally Posted by Saif2018

Well the thing is, that video was by someone in US who did LS swaps,

He recommended not to do it, so it's not just a UK thing, maybe watch it.

I stopped watching the video when the guy said "basically, don't LS swap anything...and here's why". And then goes on to say "they are cheaply build motors that won't stand up to big power for very long".

That right there is BS.....I have a half dozen friendly running around on stock bottom end LS motor with single turbos on them making north of 800hp.....and they take them out and drag race/street race them just about every weekend. The LS by design is a beefy motor that makes has the possibility to make big power.

Watch this video.....it sheds some light on what the LS motors are so awesome. If they weren't, there wouldn't be such a HUGE aftermarket following on them. LS swaps have been done on just about EVERY car out there......and there is a reason for that.

Nelson Racing Motors.....a little more credible than some Youtube nobody that's in the other video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsmbbuSq9m0

[Yotaismygame]

^ this guy

[iqraceworks]

Originally Posted by Yotaismygame

^ this guy

.....says the guy who's actually in the process of doing an LS swap. Hard to badmouth LS motors when you're actually doing an LS swap.

just saying.....

[Saif2018]

Originally Posted by iqraceworks

I stopped watching the video when the guy said "basically, don't LS swap anything...and here's why". And then goes on to say "they are cheaply build motors that won't stand up to big power for very long".

That right there is BS.....I have a half dozen friendly running around on stock bottom end LS motor with single turbos on them making north of 800hp.....and they take them out and drag race/street race them just about every weekend. The LS by design is a beefy motor that makes has the possibility to make big power.

Watch this video.....it sheds some light on what the LS motors are so awesome. If they weren't, there wouldn't be such a HUGE aftermarket following on them. LS swaps have been done on just about EVERY car out there......and there is a reason for that.

Nelson Racing Motors.....a little more credible than some Youtube nobody that's in the other video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsmbbuSq9m0

OK, will do.

Just out of curiosity, How much did they have to spend for 800hp LS swap, and do they DD?

[drymite]

Originally Posted by Yotaismygame

^ this guy

[drymite]

Originally Posted by Yotaismygame

You guys are funny. Key board warriors at their best. There's more to it than anyone has said. Sounds like pure speculation. I'd be much further along in my truck build if this E92 didnt fall into my lap. But an E92 has been on my list of cars to own for some time. Been a good/bad distraction.

Bro idk why your making a LS swap seem more complicated then it is. What truck are you building? Go look at the vids by hangman performance the e90 platform is great for a LS and people that done it before save you the FAB work etc. It looks to me you done little research regarding the E90 chassis with the LS .. like it or not it beats the N54 in many ways. So your the keyboard warrior talking with no facts

[iqraceworks]

Originally Posted by Saif2018

OK, will do.

How much did they have to spend for 800hp LS swap, and do they DD?

Not sure I the exact price, but I know it was much less than building an 800hp N54. Most were not "swaps".....they were in GM cars that either already had LS motors in them, or were basically already set up for GM type stuff. One guy I know daily drives his, the rest are just weekend toys.

I'm not saying that an LS is the best option for an E92....I'm just saying that they make big power easy, and are strong. Guys are making 1000+hp with stock iron blocks and stock bottom ends and drag racing the hell out of them. Can you get carried away and sink $50k into one? Yep. Can you go dirt cheap and make one that 800-ish hp that will last for a decent amount of time if you don't abuse it?

To each their own I guess. Until my N54 dies....I'm going to stick with making more power with what I have.

[Yotaismygame]

Originally Posted by drymite

Bro idk why your making a LS swap seem more complicated then it is. What truck are you building? Go look at the vids by hangman performance the e90 platform is great for a LS and people that done it before save you the FAB work etc. It looks to me you done little research regarding the E90 chassis with the LS .. like it or not it beats the N54 in many ways. So your the keyboard warrior talking with no facts

I'm talking from experience. You want to a legit reliable LS setup it'll cost you. There's very little reason to ditch an n54 for an LS. What's funny is I'm a huge LS advocate and I follow that world closely. But in this situation it doesn't make sense. Plenty of other platforms it does. Go and do the swap, then come back and tell me I was right.

[Yotaismygame]

Originally Posted by iqraceworks

Not sure I the exact price, but I know it was much less than building an 800hp N54. Most were not "swaps".....they were in GM cars that either already had LS motors in them, or were basically already set up for GM type stuff. One guy I know daily drives his, the rest are just weekend toys.

I'm not saying that an LS is the best option for an E92....I'm just saying that they make big power easy, and are strong. Guys are making 1000+hp with stock iron blocks and stock bottom ends and drag racing the hell out of them. Can you get carried away and sink $50k into one? Yep. Can you go dirt cheap and make one that 800-ish hp that will last for a decent amount of time if you don't abuse it?

To each their own I guess. Until my N54 dies....I'm going to stick with making more power with what I have.

Agreed.

One thing about the LS world is rumors or the few really being heard. Yes people make big power on stock blocks. More people though blow up stock blocks making less than 500hp. It's just not something people want to admit. The whole reason LS swapping became a thing is because it's cheap power. Once you get away from the cheap aspect what's the advantage? Aside from the fact there is a huge market for LS swap parts and power adders.

[Yotaismygame]

I'm out.

This thread is ridiculous. Arguing about LS swapping someone else's car with a bunch of people who have no stake in the game or any real knowledge of doing such a thing.

[Saif2018]

Originally Posted by drymite

Bro idk why your making a LS swap seem more complicated then it is. What truck are you building? Go look at the vids by hangman performance the e90 platform is great for a LS and people that done it before save you the FAB work etc. It looks to me you done little research regarding the E90 chassis with the LS .. like it or not it beats the N54 in many ways. So your the keyboard warrior talking with no facts

Performance is not the issue, everyone knows you can get big power out of them, if you modify them. The question was about reliably running big power and cheaply,

Definitely ain't happening in the UK, will cost you a arm and leg here to build one properly.

Getting mixed opinions in US, some say you can reliably and cheaply swap and run a LS with big power, others saying you need deep pockets.

[drymite]

Originally Posted by Yotaismygame

I'm talking from experience. You want to a legit reliable LS setup it'll cost you. There's very little reason to ditch an n54 for an LS. What's funny is I'm a huge LS advocate and I follow that world closely. But in this situation it doesn't make sense. Plenty of other platforms it does. Go and do the swap, then come back and tell me I was right.

Im not going for 800 whp buddy im using it as a DD so 450 whp is all i need im in canada. We will see the reliability and power compared to my n54 iM doing BOTH EITHER WAY . So eventually i will post em.

[iqraceworks]

Originally Posted by Yotaismygame

Agreed.

One thing about the LS world is rumors or the few really being heard. Yes people make big power on stock blocks. More people though blow up stock blocks making less than 500hp. It's just not something people want to admit. The whole reason LS swapping became a thing is because it's cheap power. Once you get away from the cheap aspect what's the advantage? Aside from the fact there is a huge market for LS swap parts and power adders.

Millions of cars and trucks from the last 20 years have them in junkyards all over the country...so they are easy to find.

HUGE aftermarket support.

Easy "Self tuning" options make by several companies that just plain work. No more being dependent on "tuners" to make changes on your tune.

There is nothing out there that's easier that doing a swap with than an LS...just because of the aftermarket support available for them.

Hell....if I put a set of aftermarket turbos on my N54, it's like pulling teeth trying to find someone that can tune it, and not take weeks(s) to get back to me. That really sucks....I with the N54's had the aftermarket tuning options that the LS platform did.