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*** Review - 395bhp (approx) DMS Remap on E92 335i ***
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01-01-2009, 02:47 PM | #23 | |
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Any lowering at all ? Yves |
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01-01-2009, 03:38 PM | #24 |
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Great write-up Tone and your car now is a serious beast.
Looks like I'll need to get the credit card out this year to make sure the slow old M3 keeps up Hope to catch up again soon Paul +++ |
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01-02-2009, 02:00 AM | #26 | |
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Ride height is exactly the same as before, which for me is perfect as it retains the ride comfort. I don't have any problems cornering, or with excessive body roll, as I have already firmed up the antiroll bars front and rear
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01-02-2009, 02:04 AM | #27 | |
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I don't want an M3 ?! As much as they're a nice car, I don't find them exciting enough to drive. And to be honest, not wanting to piss off any M3 owners, but my car is easier to drive quickly, and I think just as quick, if not quicker, in the real-world
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01-02-2009, 04:44 AM | #28 |
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Can you explain that one more....surley the M3 even pootling around is more exiciting than a standard 3 ?
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01-02-2009, 04:46 AM | #29 |
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Thanks E92.
Presume One could go even stiffer still with the cabriolet springs for example ? I have the opposite requirements to you in that I dont like the standard ride height look but dont want/need 'better' handling either ! Impossible conumdrum I think. Yves |
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01-02-2009, 05:26 AM | #31 | |
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DMS don't really custom map each car. It sounds like your 335i might be one of the first they've done and that is why they spent so much time tweaking it and seeing what they are capable of producing. The more 335i's they do initially will help them produce a generic but safe map that can be uploaded onto any 335i. Customers who don't go to their premises (most of their business for remaps?) would not get this level of service but instead would get the best part of an hour or so from one of their Technicians who would download the existing software (copy) and then upload the new map, the car wold then be taken for a test drive and then handed back over to the customer. It's good to hear that DMS have finally got a remapped 335i on the road and the initial figures look good. Jules. |
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01-02-2009, 05:59 AM | #32 | |
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http://www.bimmerfile.com/2008/12/24...rol/#more-1191 Have not had the opportunity to try it out yet. - J
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Good Review Tone !
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01-02-2009, 09:50 AM | #34 | |
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So, that's why I don't want an M3. My car, for me, does more things well more of the time. And now that it's been fettled, I have a feeling that it will be as quick as an M3, maybe even quicker, around the Nurburgring.... which isn't too shabby really!
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01-02-2009, 09:54 AM | #35 | |
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Your requirements then would seem to be for the car to look great (by being lower) but retaining all the standard comfort and ride.... not impossible, but really really hard. I think it will be much more than just a suspension replacement - you'll have to work on secondary damping and bushings too.... I think some people have had fairly good results with the H&R sport springs. Also, the standard AC Schnitzer fixed-rate road kit (as opposed to the fully adjustable setup) is supposed to be very very good, combining a slightly lower ride, with good handling and a surprisingly comfortable ride
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01-02-2009, 09:58 AM | #36 | |
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You are quite correct about DMS in that they develop generic maps for uploading to the majority of cars. However if you do go down to the workshop then there is the very real possibility of having the car tweaked a little to get the best results. Certainly, my car was not the first that DMS have done - in fact they have done tens of cars prior to mine. The difference for me was that my car has had the engine fine-tuned, and also an upgraded intercooler installed
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01-02-2009, 10:03 AM | #37 |
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Great write up. My car is very similar to your in mods (different brands in some cases) and I feel the same way about its day to day performance.
I also prefer my car to an M3 "drive wise" as these mods (especially the LSD) have filled in a lot of the gaps inherent to the 335 and the fuel economy makes it a car I can live with at $5 a gallon of gas. The only downside is that the m3 is so drop dead gorgeous. That alone would tempt me to get one. |
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01-04-2009, 02:47 PM | #38 | |
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I keep reading reviews on the Alpina car set ups and how much better road testers prefer them to the M Sport package. I know Alpina do not use run flats and you sound very clued up on the subtle differences. Can you reveal more pls? H&R and Eibach offer more progressive springs compared to the Msport and I've read two reviews of 335 owners that have paired up the H&R sport springs with Msport dampers and normal tyres and both said how the choppy ride over bumps at slow speeds disappeared. How do you think Eibach pro springs plus Koni FSD dampers would work together on our fabulous Queen's highway? In conjunction with H&R anti-roll bar kit of course ACS suspensions kits - I've been told these are just rebadged Eibachs but twice as expensive?? Will you be looking to increase aero grip by adding the M3 lip spoiler or mechanical grip by increasing the width of the tyres in the future as you like driving the ring? |
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01-04-2009, 03:35 PM | #39 | |
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Having said that, pleanty of USA guys are using this combo to good effect. Yves |
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My problem with using H&Rs or Eibachs with FSD dampers (or any other cobbled-together variation) is that inherently those two products are not matched together for the application of your car. BMW specify three different spring rates and dampers, depending on the level of specification of the car in question. Koni provide ONE FSD damper specification to cover ALL 335i (and possibly other models too). That Koni damper then hasn't even been matched to a dedicated per model spring, much less those generic springs from Eibach or H&R. How can you expect to get the correct spring/damping specification?? This is why I suggest going to someone like AC Schnitzer. Yes, they use Eibach springs and Bilstein dampers, and rebadge them as ACS, but ACS will have spent time refining the suspension setup and specifying specific damper requirements and spring rates from the supplying companies. Granted, that spring/damper combination will be designed for all variations of the 335i, but at least they will have been matched. You can go to Eibach and buy springs, you can go to Bilstein and buy dampers, but I guarantee you they won't be the same spring or damping rate as a set specially made up for ACS or one of the other respected tuners. However, unless you specifically want to lower your car for a more aggressive look, I don't understand why people feel the need to change suspension on their daily road car. Granted, if you want your car to be track-focussed, then a suspension change to a full racing coilover setup would be the answer. If you want the car to handle better, there are other ways, and in my opinion better ways, to refine the car's handling balance and to increase traction other than changing over the suspension. If you are after a more cossetting ride, ditch the runflats and go to normal tyres. And if then you still want a more cossetting ride, sell your car and buy a Lexus, or something like that, because BMWs aren't designed with a cossetting ride in mind! Not even Alpinas are... the emphasis is on sporting, and unfortunately sporting does tend to mean a firmer ride! Quote:
I've already increased the tyre contact patch, to 235/265 front/rear, but the difference over standard is minimal. I have increased mechanical grip through the suspension refinement, uprated rollbars, and of course the LSD on the rear axle. Given that my car is actually a road car first and foremost, and not a dedicated 'Ring car, I think it is now pretty much the perfect balance of handling and comfort for me.
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Hi E92 Fan,
I've got a 135i and have had it fairly extensively modded through Birds using the same thinking as you ie handling first, then power. So I've got a Quaife diff, Hartge adjustable suspension, Hartge anti-roll bars etc. I'm now thinking about increasing power and I suppose my options are the Dinan kit that Birds can supply, the new BMW engine tuning kit shortly to be released, or the DMS reflash. I think we can discount the BMW stuff as it only adds about 20bhp and no doubt will be very expensive, although it does include additional cooling. I presume the DMS remap and the Dinan remap will be similar. I do know that Dinan are more expensive but they offer a full BMW-matching warranty. However, I don't feel that confident of having a supplier based in the US if I encounter any problems. I suppose that leaves DMS. Now that you've had it for a while I wonder if you could let me have the benefit of your advice/guidance. Do you feel the fact that the BMW kit includes additional cooling means that any tuned car should be looking at this issue for reliability? Were you at all concerned about your warranty (I still have 2.5 years to run). Any advice gratefully received. Cheers Jack |
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04-21-2009, 03:57 PM | #42 |
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The fact you've fitted suspension etc surely means your warranty is up the spout already? They'll blame any problems on the suspension, even failed electronics 'due to excessive vibration' |
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great write up by Tony! he strikes again!!!
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04-21-2009, 05:27 PM | #44 | |
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