[FoShizzle]

I'm in too!
This is great stuff!

[Vudoo4u2]

I guess my biggest concern with it, despite it being very cool in concept...

is that the phone isnt 100% consistent. What if I am adjusting the settings, and the phone has a hiccup (plenty of apps dont work 100% perfect...even native apple apps like text messaging)...I fear my engine going nuts or throwing a code for no reason

do you have any ideas for failsafes?

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by Vudoo4u2

I guess my biggest concern with it, despite it being very cool in concept...

is that the phone isnt 100% consistent. What if I am adjusting the settings, and the phone has a hiccup (plenty of apps dont work 100% perfect...even native apple apps like text messaging)...I fear my engine going nuts or throwing a code for no reason

do you have any ideas for failsafes?

Without getting too in detail about the procede protocol, I will say that there are built in checks and measures to ensure reliability. Although, to start, I just want to get gauges/datalogging/map switching working, then we can progress onto adjustables and map loading.

But anyway, to answer your question, I would say based on what I know so far, that if you had a hiccup in the middle of adjusting a setting or something, the command either a) would not get sent and you would have no change, b) only half the command would get sent and nothing would happen (a WHOLE command must be sent), or c) the whole command would be sent and executed successfully. It's not like you're trying to bump the UT to 75 and all the sudden it gets set to 100.

But thats a ways down the road

[to_riffic]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

Thanks! To be clear, I'm NOT out to rip anyone off. Trust me, I'm going to try and make this as affordable as possible. I think it would be a cool feature that a lot of people could use.



Haha, we'll see. I have a feeling the iPhone/iPod version will be a lot nicer looking/more features but I'll know more as I move forward. You should really just get an iPhone anyway

i've considered it but i'd lose my 20% discount off my phone bill from at&t if i got it. so i'm stickin w/ it until a palm pre comes out under gsm

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by ra2fanatic

i've considered it but i'd lose my 20% discount off my phone bill from at&t if i got it. so i'm stickin w/ it until a palm pre comes out under gsm

Really? I'm surprised. I have the iPhone and 25% off monthly.

[Slidewayz]

No worries, mate. Back when this was first discussed, I said we'd do it as a paid project and was excoriated for lack of 'community spirit' or somesuch.

Yeah, it takes time to build useful software so it's fair for the people who do it to get paid.

I am 100% in favor of you charging $$$ for your product.

Originally Posted by dmurray14

Way too early to answer any of those questions. As I said I'm just trying to gauge interest now before I delve into development. I started with WM6 because it's an easy language that I learned in a few days to bang out a proof of concept and make sure it was doable. WM6 is also a lot more open than the iPhone. So there will be a big learning curve porting to Objective-C (the iPhone/iPod language). I'm willing to take it on, just want to make sure you guys want it! I can tell you one thing though, I see no reason at this point why it wouldn't work on both Rev I and II.



Hardware happened. As much as I'd like to, I'm not going to give it away! I'm trying to take the time to put together the complete package so its a quick and easy solution. Not to mention the time to learn ObjC and then get the app done. Hopefully you guys feel that would be something that's worth the money. That's what I'm trying to gauge (no pun intended!)

[Vudoo4u2]

Originally Posted by ra2fanatic

i've considered it but i'd lose my 20% discount off my phone bill from at&t if i got it. so i'm stickin w/ it until a palm pre comes out under gsm

att now allows business discounts on iphones...ps

[0002s]

You would have to sell this through the apps store or it would have to be used on a jail broken iPhone???

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

No worries, mate. Back when this was first discussed, I said we'd do it as a paid project and was excoriated for lack of 'community spirit' or somesuch.

Yeah, it takes time to build useful software so it's fair for the people who do it to get paid.

I am 100% in favor of you charging $$$ for your product.

You got it. An open source community project would have been cool but after a while I just decided to start messing around and here I am. So we'll see how it goes. Like I said, definitely not out to make tons of money, I just want to have something cool!

Originally Posted by 0002s

You would have to sell this through the apps store or it would have to be used on a jail broken iPhone???

I'll be shooting to have this in the App Store. I think limiting to jailbroken phones would be unfortunate. For what I have planned, the iPhone already has the functionality without hacking it anyway.

[vAnt826]

Timeline?

[0002s]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

I'll be shooting to have this in the App Store. I think limiting to jailbroken phones would be unfortunate. For what I have planned, the iPhone already has the functionality without hacking it anyway.

App store would make it easier. Too bad you just can't make a wifi boost gauge app (I know...I know )

[lpphreakx06]

Man I was going to sell my ipod touch but I'm def keeping it now!

[jpsimon]

yeah although my phone is jailbroken, i would much rather this be a legit app.

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by vAnt826

Timeline?

I was hesitant to post what I have because I was scared of questions like this. The honest answer is, I don't know. I'll have a better idea as I move forward. My real job has me swamped right now and this is a free time thing, but hopefully I'll have some time to hammer down shortly.

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by 0002s

App store would make it easier. Too bad you just can't make a wifi boost gauge app (I know...I know )

Huh? That's essentially what this is (among other things). Did you see the vid? You'll still need the hardware though.

[0002s]

Originally Posted by dmurray14

Huh? That's essentially what this is (among other things). Did you see the vid? You'll still need the hardware though.

I meant if there was a way without any specific hardware, but a generic p n p setup....hence the

the idea is great though.

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by 0002s

I meant if there was a way without any specific hardware, but a generic p n p setup....hence the

the idea is great though.

Gotcha.

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by 0002s

I meant if there was a way without any specific hardware, but a generic p n p setup....hence the

the idea is great though.

<startup geek>

There's already wireless comm to the keyfob for map switching. It's a substantial project to port the PROcede s/w to mobile devices & piggyback on the extant wireless comm in a reliable way.

What's the total addressable market for this app? Some subset of the total number of PROcede users for the 335i, Evo, & STi. Given that the PROcede is a $1k piece, it would be tough to beat more than $50-100 out of each customer, if that.

So, having to port the app twice (locked-down, utterly proprietary iPhone + the rest of the universe that can run JavaME) would be, what, maybe 6 staff months of work (if you get the source code as a reference implementation and the code isn't crap). That's 50-75k for a good developer.

If you can sell > 1,000 of these, you stand a chance of making money. Selling it through the iStore just means that Steve Jobs & Co. get a piece of the action w/o adding any value since you will find your customers through the forums and word of mouth better than the iStore.

If there were other cool & money-spinning products that could be upsold, then this could be a worthwhile.

</startup geek>

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by got psi

matt damon ?!?

I can't believe you've done this...

Oh, believe it.

[jpsimon]

you can get it for free from apple... and then $99 to sell your app

[ianthegreat]

sounds/looks awesome

[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by got psi

dmurray,

PM me if you need apple's SDK for when you start working on the iphone platform.

Will do, thanks!