[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by RevC

i've found the BT tool very useful, but with a jb3. Many similar codes can be cleared with procede as well without use of any cable. the only thing i have in question is in the scenario that the procede speed delimit caused a code, would the unit be able to clear that code as well?

Has anyone actually seen a speed delimit related code on a BT tool? I haven't.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by RevC

i've found the BT tool very useful, but with a jb3. Many similar codes can be cleared with procede as well without use of any cable. the only thing i have in question is in the scenario that the procede speed delimit caused a code, would the unit be able to clear that code as well?

Your warranty can be voided for multiple reasons, and ECU codes are just one of them. Each module can potentially throw faults. Especially if you're sending around data on the bus. Some data/codes can never be deleted as they are stored in a protected area. So clearing ECU faults is a good idea but not the whole story. The BT can scan/clear all of the other modules as well. And most importantly with the tune and modifications REMOVED so you know its clean. Not hope nothing went wrong with the removal that will void your warranty.

Mike

[ianthegreat]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Has anyone actually seen a speed delimit related code on a BT tool? I haven't.

No, I didn't know there was one. I don't think it matters because the BT Tool won't clear (can't access) the area where this code (parameter/whatever it is) is stored.

But then again, you already know this.


**edit**
Mike, the BT Tool can clear the speed sensor module also? Or where ever it is that the max speed is stored?

[RevC]

hmm..155 is fast enough for me.

[5soko]

The PROcede cant show you codes only delete them? correct?

So i would also go as far as saying not only is it a very good tool to have for any N54 owner, tuned or not, but along with any PROcede users who would like to see the codes they are thorwing and what they are?

[alextremo]

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

No, I didn't know there was one. I don't think it matters because the BT Tool won't clear (can't access) the area where this code (parameter/whatever it is) is stored.

But then again, you already know this.


**edit**
Mike, the BT Tool can clear the speed sensor module also? Or where ever it is that the max speed is stored?

I sent an email to BT on this a while back. Here's the transcript:




From: Bavarian Technic [mailto:support@bavariantechnic.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Reading DME stored values

HI,

If the information is not presented in either of those locations, it is most probable that the information is not available in the ECU. There might be a chance that it is stored, but that we don't ask for it. Though this scenario is unlikely.

Owen

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Owen,
Thank you for the quick response. If I am not able to find this information in either of these locations does that mean that it is not stored by the ECU?

Thanks again


From: Bavarian Technic [mailto:support@bavariantechnic.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Reading DME stored values

Hello,

Thanks for your question. I am not aware of any specific location for this information, but if it is available it would likely be found under the Actual Values or Identification for the control unit in your car.

I hope this helps. Let us know if you have any further questions.

Owen Sutton
Bavarian Technic LLC
www.bavariantechnic.com

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM
Hi,
I currently own an enthusiasts cable that I use on my BMW 335 and have a question about reading stored values. It is my understanding that the ECU stores certain min/max and count variables (e.g. max RPM, max road speed, number of times the DTC has been disengaged, etc) Is this something that can be read via the BT cable?

Thanks

[uhcoug2011]

Shiv, I do have a question... what if the car is throwing codes that say the dealer needs to see to determine if something is wrong with the car? Does the Procede automatically delete these codes? That would be the one reason that maybe a BT Tool would be useful right?

Thanks

[RevC]

i'm hungry.

[hun77777]

Originally Posted by uhcoug2011

Shiv, I do have a question... what if the car is throwing codes that say the dealer needs to see to determine if something is wrong with the car? Does the Procede automatically delete these codes? That would be the one reason that maybe a BT Tool would be useful right?

Thanks

you misunderstood. procede basically does what BT Tool does. once you plug your laptop to the procede, it will tell you what codes your car is throwing and YOU ARE THE ONE who delete the code, not automatically.

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by hun77777

you misunderstood. procede basically does what BT Tool does. once you plug your laptop to the procede, it will tell you what codes your car is throwing and YOU ARE THE ONE who delete the code, not automatically.

eventually, as a user definable option, you can tell the procede what codes to automatically delete (o2/"tuner" related will be the most common). If you ever had a problem and for some reason deleted codes you needed the dealer to see, after you removed the procede the codes would come back (if it was a real problem).

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

No, I didn't know there was one. I don't think it matters because the BT Tool won't clear (can't access) the area where this code (parameter/whatever it is) is stored.

But then again, you already know this.


**edit**
Mike, the BT Tool can clear the speed sensor module also? Or where ever it is that the max speed is stored?

The BT can clear the DSC module, but just like maximum RPM, VMAX is stored in such a way that only BMW corporate can read it.

Mike

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

The PROcede cant show you codes only delete them? correct?

So i would also go as far as saying not only is it a very good tool to have for any N54 owner, tuned or not, but along with any PROcede users who would like to see the codes they are thorwing and what they are?

No.

The PROcede software does show the DME codes at this current time. Other modules may be added if needed.

[scalbert]

We all lived for 2 - 3 years without the BT interface. However, once it became available, it should be a part of the tool chest if no other methods are available. That said, I have not used mine for code reading/clearing for some time; just the PROcede interface.

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

The PROcede cant show you codes only delete them? correct?

So i would also go as far as saying not only is it a very good tool to have for any N54 owner, tuned or not, but along with any PROcede users who would like to see the codes they are thorwing and what they are?

It shows them and clears them.

[skier]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Regardless of ECU flash or whatever piggy - YES !!!

please discuss.

Eugen

Horseradish

[Choolgooz]

I had long cranks, started up my laptop and checked the code via procede. Saw the code and cleared it out. Made sure i could repro the codes with startup, then removed the procede and took the car to the dealer for a replacement.

I have done some data logs, but as far as the BT cable goes.. i dont need it at all. I think it may be necessary if you have a tune that throws codes ( GIAC/JB3/JB+/SSTT depending on your settings ect).. but its not for me. I dont need to do anything with airbags or anything else like that.. if it comes to that I might buy it.. but it hasnt.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

The BT can clear the DSC module, but just like maximum RPM, VMAX is stored in such a way that only BMW corporate can read it.

Mike

Of course the contradiction here is that if only BMW corporate can read it then how would you know ?

I once emailed Duram at BT about PUMA data and he confessed to me that "only BMW knows what data is stored and read in a PUMA case"......so not even the staff at Bavarian Technic know with certainty what is stored deep down in the ECU.

How then can you know this?

[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by Ilma

Of course the contradiction here is that if only BMW corporate can read it then how would you know ?

I once emailed Duram at BT about PUMA data and he confessed to me that "only BMW knows what data is stored and read in a PUMA case"......so not even the staff at Bavarian Technic know with certainty what is stored deep down in the ECU.

How then can you know this?

because warranties have been voided for speed delimit!

[NM_BMW]

Originally Posted by joec500

Not a MUST....but for people like me who do not want to cross reference the PROcede codes and like to be able to get all errors in a nice report layout, I think it's a nice luxury, but def not a MUST have. To me it's worth the cash.... as you can easily re-sell a BT with open vins for 100-150...

Agreed. I'm one of those lazy people that doesn't want to cross reference back to hex or wait for each code to display like in the procede software. It also comes in handy when you want to delete individual codes and not all of them. For the most part I use the procede to clear all codes via the gas pedal method.

[5soko]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

It shows them and clears them.

Originally Posted by scalbert

No.

The PROcede software does show the DME codes at this current time. Other modules may be added if needed.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by Humtek

It also comes in handy when you want to delete individual codes and not all of them.

You can't clear individual codes with the enthusiast version of the BT cable.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[ianthegreat]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

You can't clear individual codes with the enthusiast version of the BT cable.

Alpina_B3_Lux

Agreed, I take it the ones saying this don't actually own a BT cable. Does the professional version allow you to clear specific codes?

Maybe they are talking about going module by module. At any rate, the most important codes are from the "N54 - Engine/ECU" module. Which you cannot pick and choose.