[Scimitar335i]

Originally Posted by lpphreakx06

These are ugly..

Turner is a great company but has made NOTHING remotely impressive for the 335i...

[mkPOTO]

Originally Posted by Sal@AUTOcouture

they really are. Working out the figures now, but I guarantee it will be super competitive



Almost don't want to install on the car LOL



Workin on somethin really reasonable!

what is super competitive? haha

[marconi118]

Originally Posted by lpphreakx06

These are ugly..

these are SUPERSPRINT DPs coming from Italy!!!!

[GeorgeSmooth]

The best way to make beautiful downpipes is to make AR Design rip offs.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by darklocust

Yeah, I thought these one's had horrible fitment??

There was a hiccup in his jigs which he has has corrected. He had a test car in the shop to fix the fitment issues.

Originally Posted by 335fourdoor

the first # in the price better be a 3.

Taking a product that costs 700+ and expecting 3xx would be unreasonable imo. But hell, who am I to say. If they cost 300 something I'm down but I think the material cost of the metal alone is at least 450+... I'm not a metallurgist so I don't know.

Originally Posted by e46m3to335i

Thats what I was about to say. Everyone that I have seen that has tried to install them is saying that they dont fit.

-Nick

I can only think of a couple people that had a problem with them. Who exactly is everybody? lol.

Originally Posted by Sparky66

BB Fabrication was born of disgruntled ex-employee's of AR Design. These DP's are stolen designs conceived and originally marketed by AR.
There are a few guys who have had numerous fitment issues so..... "buyer beware".

The mouse you are using is a product originally designed and conceived by Xerox and the idea was stolen and marketed by Microsoft, who also ripped a man off for his DOS program which many windows operating systems also based on. The question remains, do you purchase microsoft products? If you know who RIM is, the company that makes the blackberry, you'd also know they are largely composed of ex-Apple employees and a lot of the way that webOS is built is very similar structurally as apples own products. Should people boycott the blackberry?

Thats how this world works and you need to stay on top of the game of capitalism and be prepared to pump out a better product for a better price. If you aren't doing it right, someone else will. You can't complain because your margin of profit got smaller due to competition. If you want that ability, move to North Korea.

Originally Posted by cn555ic

BB has a problem with the first batches of DPs and there was fitment issues, but I would assume since Sal@Autocouture is carrying the item now, the problem has been addressed or else Sal would not carry the product...I would not worry about that issue..

+1

The bottom line, is until he stops caring about what he sells then I have no issue. If its clear he doesn't intend to fix his mistakes or acknowledge them, then I think its fair to judge him. But it doesn't appear to be that way.

[Sal@AUTOcouture]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

There was a hiccup in his jigs which he has has corrected. He had a test car in the shop to fix the fitment issues.



Taking a product that costs 700+ and expecting 3xx would be unreasonable imo. But hell, who am I to say. If they cost 300 something I'm down but I think the material cost of the metal alone is at least 450+... I'm not a metallurgist so I don't know.



I can only think of a couple people that had a problem with them. Who exactly is everybody? lol.



The mouse you are using is a product originally designed and conceived by Xerox and the idea was stolen and marketed by Microsoft, who also ripped a man off for his DOS program which many windows operating systems also run on. The question remains, do you purchase microsoft products?



+1

The bottom line, is until he stops caring about what he sells then I have no issue. If its clear he doesn't intend to fix his mistakes or acknowledge them, then I think its fair to judge him. But it doesn't appear to be that way.

Thanks Just had the opportunity to get back to the computer.

[turbo 6 Kolben]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

There was a hiccup in his jigs which he has has corrected. He had a test car in the shop to fix the fitment issues.



Taking a product that costs 700+ and expecting 3xx would be unreasonable imo. But hell, who am I to say. If they cost 300 something I'm down but I think the material cost of the metal alone is at least 450+... I'm not a metallurgist so I don't know.



I can only think of a couple people that had a problem with them. Who exactly is everybody? lol.



The mouse you are using is a product originally designed and conceived by Xerox and the idea was stolen and marketed by Microsoft, who also ripped a man off for his DOS program which many windows operating systems also based on. The question remains, do you purchase microsoft products? If you know who RIM is, the company that makes the blackberry, you'd also know they are largely composed of ex-Apple employees and a lot of the way that webOS is built is very similar structurally as apples own products. Should people boycott the blackberry?

Thats how this world works and you need to stay on top of the game of capitalism and be prepared to pump out a better product for a better price. If you aren't doing it right, someone else will. You can't complain because your margin of profit got smaller due to competition. If you want that ability, move to North Korea.



+1

The bottom line, is until he stops caring about what he sells then I have no issue. If its clear he doesn't intend to fix his mistakes or acknowledge them, then I think its fair to judge him. But it doesn't appear to be that way.

+1 This is the reality of modern busines/marketing/production. One could argue that if the original company marketing product "x" actually priced their product competitevely from the get-go and ammortize "R&D" costs over more units, then competitors would likely stay away since it would not be worth their time investment.

[midlife]

Nice post klipserracer !

[RevC]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

BB has a problem with the first batches of DPs and there was fitment issues, but I would assume since Sal@Autocouture is carrying the item now, the problem has been addressed or else Sal would not carry the product...I would not worry about that issue..

i must agree. however i know for a fact it does not cost ar design 700 bucks to fabricate their downpipes, and remember i am not downplaying the product being a customer of them in the past, they are hands down the nicest welds/quality dps i've seen, but the mark up is ridiculous man. now say i found a design and fabricated a downpipe, would i sell for them for 700$?, no. a product must be provided to this forum and community that is affordable and with which savings are passed along, and where substantial business profit is a secondary motivation. only vk and bb have stepped to the plate in that aspect. if i can design and fabricate downpipes, i would not sell them for a cent over what they cost me to make, but with all these new companies now that want to capitalize off forum members, its just awful. my two cents. gl with selling these sal, they should sell quickly i remember them being very competitively priced.

[Presidio335xi]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

The mouse you are using is a product originally designed and conceived by Xerox and the idea was stolen and marketed by Microsoft, who also ripped a man off for his DOS program which many windows operating systems also based on. The question remains, do you purchase microsoft products? If you know who RIM is, the company that makes the blackberry, you'd also know they are largely composed of ex-Apple employees and a lot of the way that webOS is built is very similar structurally as apples own products. Should people boycott the blackberry?

Thats how this world works and you need to stay on top of the game of capitalism and be prepared to pump out a better product for a better price. If you aren't doing it right, someone else will. You can't complain because your margin of profit got smaller due to competition. If you want that ability, move to North Korea.

Hilarious and true.

[Qmax03]

I was actually 1 of the first few to recieve these DP from BB FAB... they were simly AMAZING.. the welds and quality were top notch !

Only problem was after a couple hours we figured out they didnt fit... I returned them , and got a FULL refund.

Ive been told the glitch has been taken care of... if that the case you cant beat these DP.. they are AR replica's ... i went and bought Real AR's afterwards though..

[Syndicategt]

Now if you guys could just make a 3" DP back exhaust to make even better use of these, being that they don't taper off.

[Gumby_F80]

those DPs look awesome, when r they going to b available for us?

[Sal@AUTOcouture]

Originally Posted by BlkNoVA335

those DPs look awesome, when r they going to b available for us?

Should have set pricing by the end of the week.

Currently working on xi fitments as well

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

Now if you guys could just make a 3" DP back exhaust to make even better use of these, being that they don't taper off.

They do taper off to 2.5 inches at the very end. All of our downpipes do, it would make absolutely no sense for the 3 inch outlet of the downpipe to dump into a 2.5 inch inlet of the exhaust, the air being passed through the downpipe would be hitting the flange of the 2.5 inch exhaust .

A 2.5 inch outlet from the downpipe dumping into a 3" inlet of an exhaust would work without any obstruction, but not the other way around.

[Proper Motion LLC]

a full 3" downpipe combined with a 3" midpipe that tapers down to 2.5" could be interesting tho, and cost efficient.

[Syndicategt]

* 3'' all the way do the way to the cat-back flanges .

This is what the product description says. Whether I am interpreting this wrong may be another story. Now from my understanding these are similar to AR's which do taper down to 2.5", maybe some clerification from BB would help.

[itsbrokeagain]

Originally Posted by RevC

i must agree. however i know for a fact it does not cost ar design 700 bucks to fabricate their downpipes, and remember i am not downplaying the product being a customer of them in the past, they are hands down the nicest welds/quality dps i've seen, but the mark up is ridiculous man. now say i found a design and fabricated a downpipe, would i sell for them for 700$?, no. a product must be provided to this forum and community that is affordable and with which savings are passed along, and where substantial business profit is a secondary motivation. only vk and bb have stepped to the plate in that aspect. if i can design and fabricate downpipes, i would not sell them for a cent over what they cost me to make, but with all these new companies now that want to capitalize off forum members, its just awful. my two cents. gl with selling these sal, they should sell quickly i remember them being very competitively priced.

Do you know what a good welder with lots of experience makes? Do you have any idea at all???


A good welder, doing automotive stuff like this easily makes $50/hr if not more. I know plenty of people in the industry who fab up aluminum stuff for pro drag race cars, funny cars, alcohol dragsters, etc. Its called having a skill, and getting paid well to do it. You gonna tell a dude who works at an investment bank or a stock broker that he shouldnt make any money on what he does?

The only way price comes down is if you make them the way of robotic welding processes. Mass produce a product and the price will come down.

Anytime something is hand made in this country (read: not china or taiwan), it will cost you more.

Stainless piping is not cheap, especially mandrel bends. V band flange? about 30-50 each. Thick laser cut exhaust flanges? Ballpark same price.

Given the fact it probably takes 2-3 hours to make a set of pipes the right way, add it up and hes really not making much on you at all.

Any given business is entitled to make money. Supersprint was just raping people, I dont see BB doing so.

700 is a fair price for downpipes. for 3" it is right. 2.5" is smaller and costs less to manufacture.

[BMOEW]

if these are around 300-400 am down

[itsbrokeagain]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

This is what the product description says. Whether I am interpreting this wrong may be another story. Now from my understanding these are similar to AR's which do taper down to 2.5", maybe some clerification from BB would help.

there is no sense in making a complete full 3" downpipe, flange to flange.

A)it would be a pain in the fucking ass to bolt up because your exhaust is less than 2.5" each pipe.

B) to go from a 3" instantly into less than 2.5, causes turbulence entering the exhaust, which in turn increases backpressure because the exhaust flow has to squeeze itself into a smaller pipe. This will cause higher EGTs as the exhaust flow slows down. This is why they taper back down to stock size piping if you go to 3". If you guys wanna split hairs over losing 1 or 2 hp cuse of a taper in a pipe, then you need to get a life.

Its all physics. This is why I like VK downpipes,, as being a straight 2.5" pipe all the way through. Keeping pipe diameter uniform is key to getting the best exhaust flow.

3" dps would work really well given you have aftermarket turbos. Does that mean I wouldnt use them? Not at all. For fitment wise, you cant go wrong with BB pipes. With the exception of one rear 02 sensor bung welded in the wrong place, they fit better than any other 3" pipes ive put in. This has since been corrected and I will be working closely with Sal@AUTOCouture to let you know the final results

[blisstik]

Well if this is true and someone here can verify the fitment (besides the owner of the test car), then these will sell.

No one wants to go thru the installation process then having to return them.

Originally Posted by klipseracer

There was a hiccup in his jigs which he has has corrected. He had a test car in the shop to fix the fitment issues.

[blisstik]

Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe

3" dps would work really well given you have aftermarket turbos. Does that mean I wouldnt use them? Not at all. For fitment wise, you cant go wrong with BB pipes. With the exception of one rear 02 sensor bung welded in the wrong place, they fit better than any other 3" pipes ive put in. This has since been corrected and I will be working closely with Sal@AUTOCouture to let you know the final results

So is BB going to fix this issue as well or is it a non-issue for the bung to be in the "wrong" place? Is the o2 long enough?