[Mr. 5]

The answer of this thread is... "you get what everyone tells you to get."

[Addicted2Boost]

jb3 over giac. and if you have the money, go procede

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by coldasicex5

guy's the kid asked for an opinion on two specific tunes, don't let this turn into a hijacked sales thread. thanks

Too late Shiv is already marketing in the thread.

Mike

[enrita]

People need to do their own research and decide what fit best their needs.

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Too late Shiv is already marketing in the thread.

Mike

Don't throw stones Mike

[tmdb335]

I have run GIAC stage 1 and now I am running JB3 and I have been completely satisfied with both. Since I have been having HPFP issues and dealing with the dealer , tune wise the JB3 suits my needs better since GIAC is about an hour away from me unlike the JB3 that takes me 25 minutes to pull out if needed. Both great products and on another note that JB3 map 5 is insane. Best of luck.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by tmdb335

I have run GIAC stage 1 and now I am running JB3 and I have been completely satisfied with both. Since I have been having HPFP issues and dealing with the dealer , tune wise the JB3 suits my needs better since GIAC is about an hour away from me unlike the JB3 that takes me 25 minutes to pull out if needed. Both great products and on another note that JB3 map 5 is insane. Best of luck.

Well said. The GIAC is a great tune IMO, but it comes down to what suits your needs more. The JB3 is much easier and convenient to update/remove if you are not close to a GIAC dealer and power wise I think the JB3 has a slight edge but the GIAC flash definitely holds its own.

What are your plans for the car in terms of mods?

Mike

[wareagle900]

Originally Posted by coldasicex5

guy's the kid asked for an opinion on two specific tunes, don't let this turn into a hijacked sales thread. thanks

He seemed to be asking for more general advice on any tune not just the two although i do realize those were the only 2 he mentioned.

op, as far as the 3 options go, here is the short simple version.

Giac- since you are worried about removal for dealer visits, i would say just toss this off the list immediately. The simple fact is that a piggyback can be removed very easily in minutes and thats that, no worries.

now comes the two most commonly used tunes jb3 and procede.

Jb3- the jb3 is a great tune, it has proven itself time after time as a reliable tune and has produced some great times at the drag strip. The JB3 uses different numbered maps that vary in their aggressiveness, boost target, timing, etc. basically mild to wild. you will have to select the map right for you based off of your mods and fuel. Terry as well as other forum members can help you with this. The JB3 does not have some of the features that the procede does however it is known for its excellent customer service.

Procede- the procede is also a great tune. Just as the others, it has proven to be a reliable and safe tune and again has produced fantastic times at the dra strip. Where the procede starts to stray from the JB3 is its use of canbus. this basically allows it to monitor various engine parameters that the jb3 can not. because of its ability to monitor things such as the wideband afr sensors some consider it safer than the jb3 as the jb3 relies on the stock knock sensors. basically the wideband is faster responding than the knock sensors and allows the procede to pull timing quicker. The other main difference is the procedes autotuning feature. It has been called the tune that tunes itself.
The procede has also been known for good customer service.

summary:

JB3 = good tune no cool litter user features

Procede = good tune various user features (ie. boost guage)

I don't think anyone can argue with what i just said. there are other more complex things but for what you need to know that about covers it. but as has been said, just drive the tunes and decide.

[Alpine Whiteboy]

Nick. This Thursday if you don't have your JB3 installed yet, I will give you a ride in my car to let you feel for yourself. I told you last Thursday to take the car for a spin around the parking lot to see for yourself but you didn't want to. Honestly I don't mind at all. You have the same car as I do, I would think you would respect and drive carefully around an empty parking lot with no problem. But like I said man, this thursday if your intake is not installed along with your JB3 I will take you for a spin to show you just how great the JB3 feels. Maybe somebody else can show you a PROcede tune if available, but since you have ALREADY PURCHASED the JB3, I might as well show you what you are missing out on.

[ducati955]

so many choices its sop hard to decide.. but if i keep waiting i'll never have a tune, lmao!

[BzzzBom]

For 99% of dealer visits, switching the GIAC to "stock mode" which takes 60 seconds, would suffice. For the Procede or JB3 there is a bit more hands on surgery. For mechanical retards like me, GIAC wins hands down.

[Dr_Dirt]

If you think you might ever want to tweak your tune to better suit your needs, you should stay away from the flash tunes. The JB3 and Procede offer much more ability for the end user to tailor the tune to your own needs.
If you get a flash tune you'll be thinking, well this is as good as it gets so live with it. With the JB3 and procede you will always be able to experiment to some degree which can be a huge difference in how you appreciate your ride.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by BzzzBom

For 99% of dealer visits, switching the GIAC to "stock mode" which takes 60 seconds, would suffice. For the Procede or JB3 there is a bit more hands on surgery. For mechanical retards like me, GIAC wins hands down.

I'm afraid that this is how rumors start. Who said that switching to a "stock-like" map is safe for even regular dealership visits? Especially given BMW AG's increasingly aggressive measures towards tune detection at the dealership level. If you want to be reasonably safe, you need to have a completely stock DME ROM file. Period. It really doesn't matter if you go in for regular maintenance or warranty work. The DME will often be interrogated and a simple comparison to the expected ROM image will be done. If it's not the same, you will be flagged for having a tune. Plain and simple. So actually flashing your car back to stock is a precaution that is just as reasonable as piggyback guys checking for, and erasing, tuner codes.

In most cases, putting the flash into a "stock-like" mode (instead of the regular tuned mode) will have no effect in terms of dealership detection because cars are rarely even test driven hard enough (or at all) to discover anything notable on the road.

Along the same line of thought, it's also important to physically remove a piggyback tune before going to the dealership. Regardless of whether it is running a pass-thru/valet map. Dealership routinely inspect ECU boxes for physical evidence. Even during regular maintenance visits.

Yes, we will hear stories about how someone went into the dealership with X tune installed and no one raised an eye. That's going to happen. And when it does, those people are naturally going to post it. You rarely hear from those people who aren't so lucky. But they are out there. And more than a few of them are likely reading this thread.

my 2c,
Shiv

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by PandaBear

but I know with GIAC u must bring it back to the place to get it flashed back to stock...or unless I'm wrong and there is a controller out that will do that??? Also what I hope if someone can answer this is...does that controller allow you to change it to stock and the dealer won't detect it???

If you guys can give me a little help with that...I am also from NY...I'm pretty sure there is one in Queens for GIAC...which is like 45 min away...so thats another thing I have to take into account.

Pandabear, give the following a quick review... Austin at GIAC explains a bit how the stock map should be understood. Shiv's point above is right on point. Unless of course this has changed since April???

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=112

[BzzzBom]

Please post one instance where someone with a GIAC tune was denied warranty work? My dealer actually recommended the GIAC tune over the piggybacks.

[AltecBX]

I'm in Yonkers. I'll like to meet up to feel the JB3 whiteboy.

[jeveryday]

[BzzzBom]

Originally Posted by AltecBX

I'm in Yonkers. I'll like to meet up to feel the JB3 whiteboy.

Someone please translate

[AltecBX]

Originally Posted by BzzzBom

Someone please translate

lol. Alpine whiteboy is in the Bronx which is the next town over.

[BzzzBom]

Originally Posted by AltecBX

lol. Alpine whiteboy is in the Bronx which is the next town over.

Someone please translate.

[Qmax03]

Id go JB3 as well, i have it and LOVE IT.. its so simple, install will take you about 30-45minutes taking your time, Map switching is Real easy, and the Quick respond time from terry is unreal !

Im in longisland, i have a full bolt/Meth JB3'ed 335i if you wanna go for a quick spin...

And it SUPER EASY to remove and delete all codes prior to service.

[wareagle900]

At this point in the tuner war, I would hold off until the jb3can bus technology is released. Then compare both and whichever has the most featurers wins.