[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

What are you trying to imply that the DPs fouled out your 02 sensors? I would think the installer might have messed up the 02 sensors if anything!

+1

[bobbytam]

my man im just trying to help find out the hardway.

[blisstik]

It doesn't say 2.5 or 3 but the pic looks like its 2.5" all the way.

[ihvabmr]

I also received an email update from Raceland as well. I will be ordering a set as well as soon as someone has confirmed the fitment on the new batch. Just one issue that is still bothering me. If this is the new batch with better quality welds, why do they still have the maintenance disclosure?

[jokergerm]

Originally Posted by ihvabmr

I also received an email update from Raceland as well. I will be ordering a set as well as soon as someone has confirmed the fitment on the new batch. Just one issue that is still bothering me. If this is the new batch with better quality welds, why do they still have the maintenance disclosure?

Yea who the F** * is going to take off there DP once a month to clean them???

I would rather buy a new set once a year for 175 that pull them once a month

F that noise

[scrufy]

let me make sure I got this right. I pay 50,000 for a car and I want to save 400.00 to get DPs that are of at best "questionable" quality?
C'mon guys, not to flame but if I'm spending that much on a car to begin with, I better be able to afford something that is put together first rate if I'm going to mod it. I might be the minority here but I would rather pay 700 and get something that I don't have to sweat.
Just my 2c

[wtfmateim65]

You guys are silly complaining about the cleaning disclosure, they're metal pipes for goodness sake, as with all exhausts the piping changes color from heat and oxidation....who the hell cares about keeping downpipes shiny. stop complaining because if this new batch fits, it's the best bang for buck n54 mod.

[NiVeDh]

Originally Posted by scrufy

let me make sure I got this right. I pay 50,000 for a car and I want to save 400.00 to get DPs that are of at best "questionable" quality?
C'mon guys, not to flame but if I'm spending that much on a car to begin with, I better be able to afford something that is put together first rate if I'm going to mod it. I might be the minority here but I would rather pay 700 and get something that I don't have to sweat.
Just my 2c

Just because we drive expensive cars doesn't mean a set of two pipes has to cost an arm and a leg. Besides, after spending so much money on the car itself, I feel like I have less money to spend on mods.

I've seen the Raceland pipes in person and they seem decent for the price.

[scrufy]

Originally Posted by NiVeDh

Just because we drive expensive cars doesn't mean a set of two pipes has to cost an arm and a leg. Besides, after spending so much money on the car itself, I feel like I have less money to spend on mods.

I've seen the Raceland pipes in person and they seem decent for the price.

Yeah, I was thinking more on the thread awhile back showing really bad welds that looked like slag was still in there waiting to fall off from vibration and welds so bad they were messing up airflow etc... Still say if you can afford he car, you should get better than that- If Raceland fixed it.. cool...

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by scrufy

let me make sure I got this right. I pay 50,000 for a car and I want to save 400.00 to get DPs that are of at best "questionable" quality?
C'mon guys, not to flame but if I'm spending that much on a car to begin with, I better be able to afford something that is put together first rate if I'm going to mod it. I might be the minority here but I would rather pay 700 and get something that I don't have to sweat.
Just my 2c

Just so you know, people can buy second hand 335's for under $20k.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by scrufy

let me make sure I got this right. I pay 50,000 for a car and I want to save 400.00 to get DPs that are of at best "questionable" quality?
C'mon guys, not to flame but if I'm spending that much on a car to begin with, I better be able to afford something that is put together first rate if I'm going to mod it. I might be the minority here but I would rather pay 700 and get something that I don't have to sweat.
Just my 2c

Sorry, long post here, bare with me.

Yes, when they are proven to perform exactly the same as the $700+ downpipes...I say it is a big deal to save $500 to spend on other stuff for your car, like an FMIC!

Next, for under $100, your local heat coating company can coat the pipes, there will be absolutely no maintenance required, and you still saved $400 dollars over the other guys pipes, and they will be as good, if not better, performance wise, than the uncoated competition pipes now. Nobody has bench flow tested the Raceland Chinese pipes. I guarantee Riss/Macht etc...will never do that because they don't want to find/show to customers that they perform identically to their 3x more expensive pipes. They want you to believe they are so special due to some magical weld they did to the metal.

What you pay for with pipes made in the US is better/cleaner welds and likely overall better quality. But what you are really paying for is their expensive labor/materials costs compared to the Chinese made ones.

Quick comparison story if you will allow me. Over on M3Forum, there was a big thing with headers E46 M3 aftermarket headers. A company from China/Ebay reseller sold M3 headers for $250. A few guys tried them, quality was very good, welds etc...the fitment was a bit of a pain in the butt sometimes, but overall they fit, they were dyno'd and proved the exact HP gains as AA and Supersprint headers claimed.

The AA and Supersprint headers were $1200-1600?!?!?!

Then someone compared the AA headers and Ebay ones, people swear to this day they were the exact same headers! AA would NEVER answer questions as to where they sourced their headers.....seriously, they would never respond to the request for his info via PM, the forum via postings etc...ridiculous.

I'm not saying Riss and the other guys don't make their own, they likely do looking at the quality, welds etc...but you see my point? It's steel bent pipes that are welded. Nothing more.

The last batch was the one where there was some rough welds/seams on the inside, they sold those for less money to clear the inventory to those that didn't care, and source new ones with better QC. Fair enough to me.

As I posted before, the fact that the CATs are no longer in the path of the airflow will improve performance right there. As long as the inside is pretty smooth, who cares what they look like, they are doing their job, and as I said, coating them, you won't even see the metal/welds and they are under your car getting dirty anyway.

[imported_Riq]

It says they are out of stock.....

[Xaero]

Do I need two o2 simulators or just one?

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Xaero

Do I need two o2 simulators or just one?

Its just a BMS dp fix. http://www.burgertuning.com/dpfix.html

[Xaero]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Its just a BMS dp fix. http://www.burgertuning.com/dpfix.html

Yeah.. i saw that but do i need two of those? One for each pipe/sensor?

[ar design]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

What are you trying to imply that the DPs fouled out your 02 sensors? I would think the installer might have messed up the 02 sensors if anything!

Yeah, not possible. Sounds like install issue.

[youngnastyman]

just purchased a set from the ebay link in an earlier post... now i need a DP Fix!!!

[Forcefed3]

In the end, these downpipes may rust, they may not. They might turn out just as good as any other company, but we will have to wait and see the results. But if you want to be assured that your downpipes are holding up you should go with a reputable brand. AR is having a group buy right now just so everyone knows. Hopefully these end up being quality though, because I would like a cheap set of DP's

[prelude2perfect]

Originally Posted by scrufy

let me make sure I got this right. I pay 50,000 for a car and I want to save 400.00 to get DPs that are of at best "questionable" quality?
C'mon guys, not to flame but if I'm spending that much on a car to begin with, I better be able to afford something that is put together first rate if I'm going to mod it. I might be the minority here but I would rather pay 700 and get something that I don't have to sweat.
Just my 2c

Keep enjoying that BMW tax for your two pipes and I'll enjoy my cheap pipes that provide the same gains as any other 2.5" pipes

I love how people automatically put down the quality of these pipes when they haven't even seen them first hand simply because of the cheap price. These pipes are worth every penny. The welds aren't the BEST quality but, they are not bad welds either.

The fact is, these pipes are a HUGE improvement over the stock ones and for 175 shipped to your door you really can't match that. Ecspecially when eliminating the cat's after the turbo is one of the best mods you can do for this car.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

In the end, these downpipes may rust, they may not. They might turn out just as good as any other company, but we will have to wait and see the results. But if you want to be assured that your downpipes are holding up you should go with a reputable brand. AR is having a group buy right now just so everyone knows. Hopefully these end up being quality though, because I would like a cheap set of DP's

There are guys with these exact DPs that live in the NE, have had them for a year now, driven in winter...no problems whatsoever.

As I said, just put a heat coating for $100 from a local coating company, they will not rust.

Plus you will get the heat reduction advantages of the coating like the other guys offer for $100+.

But, if you want to spend $700-1000, nobody is going to try to convince you otherwise.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Xaero

Yeah.. i saw that but do i need two of those? One for each pipe/sensor?

Just one, it goes in the ecu

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Just one, it goes in the ecu

+1

You only need one downpipe fix. You can grab them off my site. Don't buy two lol

Mike