[prelude2perfect]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I continue to be amazed and baffled how people will continue to purchase junk components for an expensive cars like ours! It is just beyond me.

I would not put products of such low craftsmanship on a $500 junker Kia, let alone on a BMW!

Its like you've just had an expensive dinner hand cooked by master chefs made entirely from organic ingredients in accordance to all best nutrition practices and you decided to have a moldy twinkie for desert!

It's foolish people like yourself that will always buy name brand stuff for sticker price without ever looking or asking for a better deal. You enjoy your nice name brand pipes while I save hundreds of dollars and still get the same performance.

If this was something internal or visually exterior on my expensive BMW then I might care about name brand but, there is no way this so called "junk component" can do anything except help my car "exhale" better, no one can see it, and I'm getting great hp gains so I could care less about the whole "but you have a BMW, you need to buy expensive parts for your expensive car!" load of crap.

This person obviously bought one of these new batches because the originals are getting excellent reviews from people like myself. Looks like this batch wasn't as good with fitment but, the company is still standing behind their product so he's got nothing to worry about.

There hasn't been a single person I've seen yet that has said they have wasted their money on these downpipes so you really have no room to talk down on them.

[vasillalov]

Well, it concerning flow, diameter is not the only thing that matters. Its about how restrictive the bends are. Take a careful look at the AR downpipes and compare the bends especially right next to the turbo flange to the raceland pipes. You'll see that the bend on the raceland pipes is much sharper. Also, its about the quality of the welds. A good weld is worth its money! It will resist cracking due to heat expansion and vibration. A shitty weld may look OK on the out side, but it will be more susceptible to cracking from thermal expansion and vibrations.

Fitment is another big issue. The shop that installed my AR downpipes could not believe that these downpipes fit so well with the AE performance exhaust. They say that normally they have to make a lot of adjustments with other downpipes and exhausts to make sure everything sits in the location where it is supposed to sit. With the AR downpipes and AE exhaust, they just tightened the bolts, and everything went flush and straight right on the money!

My personal methodology when it comes to aftermarket parts: I always try to overbuild the hardware. I always by the highest capacity/quality/durability items I can find. It give me a bigger margin of safety and long term reliability. Its essential to me as I intend to keep the car for a long time.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by prelude2perfect

It's foolish people like yourself that will always buy name brand stuff for sticker price without ever looking or asking for a better deal. You enjoy your nice name brand pipes while I save hundreds of dollars and still get the same performance.

If this was something internal or visually exterior on my expensive BMW then I might care about name brand but, there is no way this so called "junk component" can do anything except help my car "exhale" better, no one can see it, and I'm getting great hp gains so I could care less about the whole "but you have a BMW, you need to buy expensive parts for your expensive car!" load of crap.

This person obviously bought one of these new batches because the originals are getting excellent reviews from people like myself. Looks like this batch wasn't as good with fitment but, the company is still standing behind their product so he's got nothing to worry about.

There hasn't been a single person I've seen yet that has said they have wasted their money on these downpipes so you really have no room to talk down on them.

We'll talk again in 1-2 years when the Raceland pipes start cracking and bending... I'll be sure to remind you of your words!

[ar design]

Here are the pics I previously posted

VK/eBay/Raceland

[ar design]

ar design

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

Originally Posted by ar design

Here are the pics I previously posted

VK/eBay/Raceland

hey i recognize some of those pics

[cn555ic]

Not going to lie but those are some nice looking pipes thats for sure!!

[ar design]

Originally Posted by Kevin@AKMotorwerk

hey i recognize some of those pics

Some more I JUST took

[sdstatestud88]

Andrew check your email and or pm please..And amazing pics..

[vettegator005]

sooo raceland DP's FTW!!!!

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

Originally Posted by vettegator005

sooo raceland DP's FTW!!!!

i just choked laughing

[MusclezMarinara]

Fabspeeds got dps for 3ers

[mycoupe]

Just got mine in the mail. Took some pics that i'll put up tonight. Needless to say the quality is ok, except for the fact that one o2 bung was just tacked on! hahaha. all the o2 bungs were the same size on mine, so who knows if they're the right size or not. Gonna email raceland today and see what they want me to do with the pipe that has the bung that was just tacked. I'll be back in touch!

P.S. what is the diameter of the threaded portion of the o2 sensor? I wanna measure the bungs and see if they're correct or not.

Jeff

[sdstatestud88]

They will tell you to return them and get your money back until they have the problem fixed

[Fone Phreak]

wouldn't put that crap on my car if it were FREE!

AR or Macht Schnell.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

Just got mine in the mail. Took some pics that i'll put up tonight. Needless to say the quality is ok, except for the fact that one o2 bung was just tacked on! hahaha. all the o2 bungs were the same size on mine, so who knows if they're the right size or not. Gonna email raceland today and see what they want me to do with the pipe that has the bung that was just tacked. I'll be back in touch!

P.S. what is the diameter of the threaded portion of the o2 sensor? I wanna measure the bungs and see if they're correct or not.

Jeff

See thats where I draw the line...bungs that dont fit, bungs that are just tacked on, and then there was another issue with the turbo flange not being flushed....All these things are just telling me that regardless that its about 500 hundred dollars cheaper than the best DPs out there, its not worth it based upon craftmanship...Shit just because you sell something cheap doesnt mean you also have to fabricate it like shit....

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

Needless to say the quality is ok, except for the fact that one o2 bung was just tacked on! hahaha.

Jeff

LOL...

How is the quality okay when one of the o2 bungs isn't even welded on.

Mike

[ar design]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

the quality is ok, except for the fact that one o2 bung was just tacked on! hahaha.

Not even sure how to approach that one.

[mycoupe]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

LOL...

How is the quality okay when one of the o2 bungs isn't even welded on.

Mike

The quality of the "rest of it". Hahah. spoke with them and they are willing to reimburse me to have a local shop finish it. So, gonna give that a try. Gotta keep trying. I'm just stubborn

[stealth-twntrbo]

Originally Posted by ar design

Facts are facts - whether you like them or not. I have a set here at the shop, and have taken comparison pics and posted them before to show the differences in quality. Customers have done back to back dynos and proven that 3" downpipes make more power. No bashing, no insults. Just facts. End of story.

Yea i would expect the 3 inch DP's to make more power, they are bigger but i want to see expensive 2.5 inch downpipes that are top quality make more power than the RL dp's. I have had racelands for 7 months and the welds are in great shape and no rusting or anything of the sort i have had good luck with them. But I would really like to see all the 2.5 inch DP's go into a comparasion test and I have seen most cars pick up 6 - 8 whp with 3 inch dp's over 2.5's. 500 for 6 - 8 whp isnt worth it for me.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by prelude2perfect

It's foolish people like yourself that will always buy name brand stuff for sticker price without ever looking or asking for a better deal. You enjoy your nice name brand pipes while I save hundreds of dollars and still get the same performance.

If this was something internal or visually exterior on my expensive BMW then I might care about name brand but, there is no way this so called "junk component" can do anything except help my car "exhale" better, no one can see it, and I'm getting great hp gains so I could care less about the whole "but you have a BMW, you need to buy expensive parts for your expensive car!" load of crap.

This person obviously bought one of these new batches because the originals are getting excellent reviews from people like myself. Looks like this batch wasn't as good with fitment but, the company is still standing behind their product so he's got nothing to worry about.

There hasn't been a single person I've seen yet that has said they have wasted their money on these downpipes so you really have no room to talk down on them.

I dont know if you realize this, but most people who buy a BMW would not want to buy a product from a company that cant even get the o2 sensor bungs right. If you have the money, why not get something you know is a sure fit. Also, hes gets ~7whp and ~7wtq better than you because yours are only 2.5"
Also, the original batch had some people worried about the welds.

[cn555ic]

I paid 200 bucks for awesome dps BUT only thing is the 02 sensors dont fit, one of the bung is not welded on and oh yeah the turbo flange is not particularly rounded and bent so it doesn't fit right....Hey I saved alot of money!