[RiXst3r]

I think he was just trying to get people to stop reposting the same warranty and lease threads over and over...

[DrDomer]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

I think he was just trying to get people to stop reposting the same warranty and lease threads over and over...

Ahhh... Didn't really see that, but if true I can understand. I thought maybe he was one of these "holier than thou" saying people shouldn't modify their cars as it increases costs to BMW and thereby increases his cost. We've had several threads like those too.

[2009BMW335]

Originally Posted by 335boosted2Dmax

HOW IS HE GONNA REPORT YOU????

He has no personal info on you and at most knows what state you are in. This guy is obviously a deusche and has no idea what he is talking about.

But if you are worried about your lease or warranty, you should not be modding your car at all.

Its like when playing poker, you can't have a value for money if you want to play higher no limit poker, like 300-600 blinds, if your worried about the lease, stick with the 1-2 LIMIT games and stay STOCK.........

lol modding a lease is not like playing poker, sorry. what a horrible, horrible analogy. as long as you return the car back to stock or with very subtle differences from stock, it's not going to matter. so there it's solved. this is gonna be the last thread about leasing/modding/warranties, sweet

[335boosted2Dmax]

Originally Posted by awesome

lol modding a lease is not like playing poker, sorry. what a horrible, horrible analogy. as long as you return the car back to stock or with very subtle differences from stock, it's not going to matter. so there it's solved. this is gonna be the last thread about leasing/modding/warranties, sweet

You obviously do not play poker!!! You can't have any care for your warranty if you are into modding cars and you can't have a care for money if you are a serious poker player..........sorry but you are horribly horribly wrong

[2009BMW335]

Originally Posted by 335boosted2Dmax

You obviously do not play poker!!! You can't have any care for your warranty if you are into modding cars and you can't have a care for money if you are a serious poker player..........sorry but you are horribly horribly wrong

so you're telling me that people who lease their cars are at greater risk to void their warranties than people who buy??????? your analogy was about warranty, so you shouldve used warranty instead of lease. then it would make sense i guess

[Terry335]

Hey idle threats are allowed at only 50 posts...

Anyway I'm not going to report anyone, I'm just sick of seeing these posts. Just keep in mind if you did have an engine failure that was going to cost BMW 8k to fix it wouldn't be that hard for them to do a little online research.

Originally Posted by hands on

Check out another one of this guy's posts...Wonder why he's running his mouth with only "86" posts...Why don't you wait till you hit '200' posts before any more "condescending generalizations" there Terry


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Hey imolazhp, condescending generalizations are reserved for members with over 200 posts only, sorry.

[DrDomer]

Ultimately, they can never prove that I ever had the Procede installed. Even if they found I was interested in buying it. Or even if they could prove that I had bought it. They never could prove I installed it. There's no trace. Hence, no way to void my warranty. Now if I went into get service with it installed and they noticed... then I would have an issue. Think how many people pay $45K to be able to mod a car. BMW isn't completely stupid.

[HyperM3]

Everyone is retarted. Modifications effect leased cars the same as financed cars equally. Im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tired of hearing this on every friggin forum Im on. You know "SEARCH" is available in the real world too.

Magnusson-Moss act. Look it up!

Lastly, Ive never had a leased car I didnt modify. Ive never had a dealership void my warranty because of a modified car or the fact it was leased. This is over 16 yrs now.

[Terry335]

You seem to think that warranties are like the US legal system, innocent until proven guilty. If you've ever had a modified car and tried to warranty it, you'd know it’s more like the Iraq legal system. There is a clause in the warranty that excludes repairs if the car was "abused". They can void your warranty if they find too much rubber in the wheel well or suspect it had been modified, or for any number of other reasons.

The good news is most new cars are very reliable and warranties usually aren’t a concern. Also because this is a more expensive car that doesn’t appeal to the usual “racer” crowd, BMW might be slower to catch on. Those things make it less likely they’d deny coverage, but don’t be naïve about it.

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by Terry Burger

You seem to think that warranties are like the US legal system, innocent until proven guilty. If you've ever had a modified car and tried to warranty it, you'd know it’s more like the Iraq legal system. There is a clause in the warranty that excludes repairs if the car was "abused". They can void your warranty if they find too much rubber in the wheel well or suspect it had been modified, or for any number of other reasons.

The good news is most new cars are very reliable and warranties usually aren’t a concern. Also because this is a more expensive car that doesn’t appeal to the usual “racer” crowd, BMW might be slower to catch on. Those things make it less likely they’d deny coverage, but don’t be naïve about it.

You like to think you know, but you dont. Its cute but you should really stop where youre at. Please enlighten me with this CLAUSE you so speak of.

Case in point:
LEASED my a4 and at the signing, the general manager (who Ive known for years) comes up to me and SUGGESTS I chip it because I wont enjoy the car stock(he knows how Ive modified cars in the past). I do more mods to the car(Chip upgrade w/injectors, exhaust, BOV, shortshifter, sways etc.) and the service dept thinks the car is awesome. 7 Coilpacks need replacing over the past couple years. Could be due to the chipping, could be not...all replaced under warranty. A/C has problems, car is taken apart 3 seperate times to fix until 4th time, whole A/C system is replaced UNDER WARRANTY.

LEASED my M3 and after auto-xing and drag racing for a few seasons (mods include supercharger, suspension, everything else) car is still under warranty for vanos replacement and various suspension bushing replacements.

The dealer CANNOT refuse warranty on anything unless they deem the defect is DIRECTLY affected by the modification. Im so tired of repeating this. Every dealer out there knows they will have some customers that will modify their car. Find those dealers that are cool with it or ask them upfront about how they feel.

[335boosted2Dmax]

+1

Hydro Locked an Engine by sucking water up my aftermarket CAI from Dinan and everything was fixed under warranty

[Terry335]

I've had several warranties voided or coverage denied, most notably on a 2000 C5 Corvette, but also a 2001 Z28, and a 2002 GMC truck. A local friend also had the powertrain warranty canceled on his 2001 Ford Lightning.

We're not talking about your AC system here. Everyone knows that they will have a hard time justifying denying converge on your AC system or power seats due to performance modifications or abuse. Also your method of financing has no impact on the warranty, although modifying a leased car is usually a violation of your lease agreement (but that’s another issue).

In my experience, most of them were voided after they accused me of "abusing" the car. No real proof required. They simply suspect its been modified, perhaps find a little extra rubber or wear on the rear tires, and tell you they won’t cover it. You complain, talk to the service rep, call corporate, and send letters. They just ignore you. Once they void the warranty and flag it in the system you're stuck until you get lawyers involved and it becomes a lose/lose situation for you.

So you got lucky because the service manager was “cool”, because the repairs were cheap enough, or because your modifications didn’t have an effect on the parts being warranted and they didn’t flag you for abusing the car.

On that M3, what exactly did they cover post supercharger? The entire power train warranty (engine, tranny, diff, axles, and related) should have been voided, and then everything else such as bushing would be on a case by case basis.

Originally Posted by HyperM3

You like to think you know, but you dont. Its cute but you should really stop where youre at. Please enlighten me with this CLAUSE you so speak of.

Case in point:
LEASED my a4 and at the signing, the general manager (who Ive known for years) comes up to me and SUGGESTS I chip it because I wont enjoy the car stock(he knows how Ive modified cars in the past). I do more mods to the car(Chip upgrade w/injectors, exhaust, BOV, shortshifter, sways etc.) and the service dept thinks the car is awesome. 7 Coilpacks need replacing over the past couple years. Could be due to the chipping, could be not...all replaced under warranty. A/C has problems, car is taken apart 3 seperate times to fix until 4th time, whole A/C system is replaced UNDER WARRANTY.

LEASED my M3 and after auto-xing and drag racing for a few seasons (mods include supercharger, suspension, everything else) car is still under warranty for vanos replacement and various suspension bushing replacements.

The dealer CANNOT refuse warranty on anything unless they deem the defect is DIRECTLY affected by the modification. Im so tired of repeating this. Every dealer out there knows they will have some customers that will modify their car. Find those dealers that are cool with it or ask them upfront about how they feel.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by 335boosted2Dmax

+1

Hydro Locked an Engine by sucking water up my aftermarket CAI from Dinan and everything was fixed under warranty

Either super lucky or Dinan covered it.

[HyperM3]

Originally Posted by Terry Burger

In my experience, most of them were voided after they accused me of "abusing" the car. No real proof required.

Have you read the Magnusson-Moss act?

Paraphrase(once again):

Under this Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's orginial warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warrany or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure. The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under, "what is not covered". Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage. If they cannot prove such claim-or offer an explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202.326.3128) administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

[335boosted2Dmax]

DINAN didnt cover shit wasnt even involved. People don't realize BMW dealerships make money off of fixing their cars themselves. The whole engine locked up and I ran into a huge puddle at full throttle (obviously not seeing lake michigan in front of me) and obviously water was sucked up through the CAI and just ingulfed the engine in general. Never was even questioned. I had other mods on the car and they told me they could fix the lights for free and stuff if I could bring down the original parts and they would put it in for me.

And for your examples, isn't it ironic they are all American cars that lost their warranty.............hmmmmm..........shitty cars to begin with that don't hold their value..........

[Terry335]

I'm very familiar with it. So here is an (extreme) example of what the dealer can do. Say your only mod is K&N filter and you blow up the engine, tranny, rear end, etc. They will claim the extra air flow across the air filter caused the engine to run outside its intended operating parameters and deny coverage. If its the tranny, the extra power caused the tranny to go out. If its something like the maf, o2 sensors, cats, etc they'll claim the air filter let dirt in or its filter oil caused the issue.

Say your seat breaks, its all that extra power slamming you back in the seat.

Or, if they can't find any modificaiton, they will just claim you abused the car.

Remember the Magnusson-Moss act isn’t intended to deal with performance modifications, its intended to deal with people who want to run generic oil filters.

Originally Posted by HyperM3

Have you read the Magnusson-Moss act?

Paraphrase(once again):

Under this Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's orginial warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warrany or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure. The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under, "what is not covered". Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage. If they cannot prove such claim-or offer an explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202.326.3128) administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

[Terry335]

All I can say is you got lucky, or BMW dealerships are much more liberal with repairing modified cars than other car manufacturers.

Originally Posted by 335boosted2Dmax

DINAN didnt cover shit wasnt even involved. People don't realize BMW dealerships make money off of fixing their cars themselves. The whole engine locked up and I ran into a huge puddle at full throttle (obviously not seeing lake michigan in front of me) and obviously water was sucked up through the CAI and just ingulfed the engine in general. Never was even questioned. I had other mods on the car and they told me they could fix the lights for free and stuff if I could bring down the original parts and they would put it in for me.

And for your examples, isn't it ironic they are all American cars that lost their warranty.............hmmmmm..........shitty cars to begin with that don't hold their value..........

[ganeil]

Originally Posted by Terry Burger

I'm very familiar with it. So here is an (extreme) example of what the dealer can do. Say your only mod is K&N filter and you blow up the engine, tranny, rear end, etc. They will claim the extra air flow across the air filter caused the engine to run outside its intended operating parameters and deny coverage. If its the tranny, the extra power caused the tranny to go out. If its something like the maf, o2 sensors, cats, etc they'll claim the air filter let dirt in or its filter oil caused the issue.

Say your seat breaks, its all that extra power slamming you back in the seat.

Or, if they can't find any modificaiton, they will just claim you abused the car.

Remember the Magnusson-Moss act isn’t intended to deal with performance modifications, its intended to deal with people who want to run generic oil filters.

I would also add that BMW titles their warranties as "Limited" and may therefore place requirements on the consumer as a precondition for receiving service. My warranty is clear in when the warranty will not apply:

This warranty does not apply to the following:

...

Modification of the vehicle or installation of any performance accessories or components attached to the vehicle which alters the original engineering and/or operating specifications...

It is important to remember that your warranty is provided by BMWNA, not your dealer.