[bnj]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

shiv, you should keep close tabs on your firmware... if that gets in the wild, what is keeping someone from buying an interceptor, and then pirating your maps and firmware? I would think twice about making firmware updates downloadable...

Law, ethics and high morale to name a few. However to be on the safe side, I would not answer what else...

[OC Guy]

Not to mention support.

[normtrum]

This thread needs to be shut down.

[RiXst3r]

Knowing that its a haltech interceptor with custom firmware acutally makes be want a PROcede more... since i know its a proven product... I think others might feel the same

I think vishnu is more than deserving of all the credit for adapting a product to suite its needs, shiv has countless hours devoted to tuning the 335, and he deserves respect for that... its no different then buying a dell plasma TV, and then finding out its just using an LG panel... dell adapted an existing product to fit a market... its how the tech business works

the only crappy part is that I aksed if it was a haltech months ago, and shiv said no, if he would have said yes, I would have probably ordered a PROcede long ago, instead of waiting for all the bugs to be worked out of his supposed "new" hardware.

[Corey]

I doubt dumping the firmware to the internet would hurt procede sales and there's no magic in tuning. There's been about a million threads by people who are concerned procede will void their warrantee and it takes like 30 seconds to install/remove. And people still need a video to install it, are still afraid of dealerships finding out about it, etc. I would venture a guess to say 99% of BMW owners would not be willing to hack apart the stock wiring harness on their brand new car to install this whether or not they could use the procede firmware/maps.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

shiv, you should keep close tabs on your firmware... if that gets in the wild, what is keeping someone from buying an interceptor, and then pirating your maps and firmware? I would think twice about making firmware updates downloadable...

+1. Rix is dead on with this one. Theres no way Shiv can make the updates downloadable anymore. Time to go back to the good ole days of mailing in products for updates. Thanks Burger

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by bnj

Law, ethics and high morale to name a few. However to be on the safe side, I would not answer what else...

Sorry man, but don't be naive. Money rules the world. Ethics comes in way behind for a lot of people.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

read... I said firmware, nobody cares about the maps... they are already easily readable
he needs to keep close tabs on the firmware... since that seems to be the only reason that his maps wont work on a standard haltech interceptor. As of now, shiv has not released his firmware for download

actually here is what you said earlier....

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

shiv, you should keep close tabs on your firmware... if that gets in the wild, what is keeping someone from buying an interceptor, and then pirating your maps and firmware? I would think twice about making firmware updates downloadable...

based on what you said in the bold writing, you mentioned both maps and firmware. Extracting firmware isn't too difficult of a job, it just requires a Procede aka haltech and some knowledge.

[Ryan(e92)]

I am now dumber after reading this thread.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

actually here is what you said earlier....

based on what you said in the bold writing, you mentioned both maps and firmware. Extracting firmware isn't too difficult of a job, it just requires a Procede aka haltech and some knowledge.

your an idiot... the whole post was about firmware, you just highlighted one word in the middle of my sentance. you didnt highlight the THREE times I said the word FIRMWARE

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Sorry man, but don't be naive. Money rules the world. Ethics comes in way behind for a lot of people.

yes money makes the world go round but in business it's all about trust. Thus if you're caught lying then you will begin to lose. That was what Vishnu was following until today when shiv lied about the main product hes trying to sell.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Sorry man, but don't be naive. Money rules the world. Ethics comes in way behind for a lot of people.

So would you be willing to cut your harness to save $400?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Corey

So would you be willing to cut your harness to save $400?

Why would you need to cut your harness? Just use the $.20 radio shack connectors Shiv uses.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Ryan(e92)

I am now dumber after reading this thread.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Corey

So would you be willing to cut your harness to save $400?

Fuck no. I have my PROcede. I'm not going to go cheapo with my $40+ car. But there are plenty of other "tuning" experts that would.

[SoCal335i]

I would love to see someone try to duplicate the procede and blow out their turbos and possibly even the motor on this $50+k car All to save $400 bucks... Lame ass thread!

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

your an idiot... the whole post was about firmware, you just highlighted one word in the middle of my sentance. you didnt highlight the THREE times I said the word FIRMWARE

IF the firmware really is different. I wish I had an Interceptor to play with.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

yes money makes the world go round but in business it's all about trust. Thus if you're caught lying then you will begin to lose. That was what Vishnu was following until today when shiv lied about the main product hes trying to sell.

Explain the lie for me.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Explain the lie for me.

you asked for it... dont flame me

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=194

[bnj]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Sorry man, but don't be naive. Money rules the world. Ethics comes in way behind for a lot of people.

Do you mean that if a map or firmware, separately or as a part of Procede, is mailed to anybody, this person will likely copy it and mail it further?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by bnj

Do you mean that if a map or firmware, separately or as a part of Procede, is mailed to anybody, this person will likely copy it and mail it further?

If you don't mail it to at least five friends you'll never get married...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

yes money makes the world go round but in business it's all about trust. Thus if you're caught lying then you will begin to lose. That was what Vishnu was following until today when shiv lied about the main product hes trying to sell.

Of all the responses from you and Terry, this is one is the most ironic. YOU are the person who wanted to order a PROcede last week. But only if I would be willing to find a way to sneak around CA sales tax. Shall I post your PMs to refresh your memory?

And now you're accusing me of lying? About what? About the fact that the Interceptor and the PROcede are different products?

They are different products. Why don't you call Haltech and ask for yourself? Or better yet, why don't you do what other tuners have done-- find an interceptor and install it on a 335i? And then when you have problems, you can email Haltech for support (as other tuners have done). Then Haltech can forward your email to me (as they have done with other emails). And then I can break the news to you that it wont work. At least that approach will involve less posturing and more action.

Cheers,
shiv