[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by ///AFRO

Oh that sucks, JB2R is only if you are equiped with JB2?

Much like V2 is only available with V1.....

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by ///AFRO

Oh that sucks, JB2R is only if you are equiped with JB2?

So why not get a JB2? Best deal around for trouble free performance, ships same day, and great customer service.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by kyleh4852

Much like V2 is only available with V1.....

Kind of like that except for the extra $1000.00 in your pocket, and the fact that you can actually order one and expect to receive it in a few days

[revah2]

yah hehe. I ordered the JB2 Tuesday morning and received it Thursday morning. wewt.

[purplewidow]

what some more downhill runs...who cares it is a cheap mod and i won't cheap out on my baby...not someones garage work....he claimed 20+ years of experience one time on here...where? what cars did he work on? sry just don't like terry antics one bit nor his attacking other tuners when he first came on here...i wish he would fly away with his crap and never come back!!! oh and i won't check this so flame away i have a permanent flame suit i like it HOT!!!

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

what some more downhill runs...who cares it is a cheap mod and i won't cheap out on my baby...not someones garage work....he claimed 20+ years of experience one time on here...where? what cars did he work on? sry just don't like terry antics one bit nor his attacking other tuners when he first came on here...i wish he would fly away with his crap and never come back!!! oh and i won't check this so flame away i have a permanent flame suit i like it HOT!!!

Wow get ready for it cause its coming.

[Raz335]

Originally Posted by purplewidow

what some more downhill runs...who cares it is a cheap mod and i won't cheap out on my baby...not someones garage work....he claimed 20+ years of experience one time on here...where? what cars did he work on? sry just don't like terry antics one bit nor his attacking other tuners when he first came on here...i wish he would fly away with his crap and never come back!!! oh and i won't check this so flame away i have a permanent flame suit i like it HOT!!!

Why would you post this if you're not going to check it?

Congrats to Terry for making a good, reliable and cheap product. I love my JB2, and don't need anymore power than what I have.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by Raz335

Why would you post this if you're not going to check it?

Congrats to Terry for making a good, reliable and cheap product. I love my JB2, and don't need anymore power than what I have.

I don't need any more power either, but I want more :MadScientistLaugh: BHAWWHAAHAAAHAA

That's why I'm getting the JB2R upgrade

[retrodrive]

I have been on these boards just enough to know what Terry is like. I just do not trust the guy.

It is nice that he can dedicate time to be at the track every weekend and run his car till he gets the lowest numbers possible; however, I trust the company who spends most of their time on R&D.

Unless I see a bunch of time slips showing similar time to Terrys from his customers, all these numbers mean very little to me.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by retrodrive

I have been on these boards just enough to know what Terry is like. I just do not trust the guy.

It is nice that he can dedicate time to be at the track every weekend and run his car till he gets the lowest numbers possible; however, I trust the company who spends most of their time on R&D.

Unless I see a bunch of time slips showing similar time to Terrys from his customers, all these numbers mean very little to me.

You mean like this one from Charlie (CEA)?

1/4 Mile ET: 12.459
1/4 Mile MPH: 112.190
1/8 Mile ET: 8.315
1/8 Mile MPH: 86.210
0-60 Foot ET: 1.990
Temperature F: 76.0

Notice the 112 trap speed, also a record by the way, so the fastest and quickest 335i's are running JB2's

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by radgator1

You mean like this one from Charlie (CEA)?

1/4 Mile ET: 12.459
1/4 Mile MPH: 112.190
1/8 Mile ET: 8.315
1/8 Mile MPH: 86.210
0-60 Foot ET: 1.990
Temperature F: 76.0

Notice the 112 trap speed, also a record by the way, so the fastest and quickest 335i's are running JB2's

Just like that....i love it. I just wish people would get off the PROcede bandwagon for a second and appreciate that other people can make products too. It can only be good to have more competition.....

[Park2670]

Great times, still wonder about his philosophy. But I dont have room to fight, I havent come up with any products.

[OpenFlash]

Is Terry using the same downhill stretch of land as he did last time when he posted his g-tech results? Regardless, I don't see 0-60mph being anything more than a test of traction when we are talking about a car that makes over 300bhp. Do a 0-100mph instead. It's no harder but a lot more revealing.

shiv

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by radgator1

You mean like this one from Charlie (CEA)?

1/4 Mile ET: 12.459
1/4 Mile MPH: 112.190
1/8 Mile ET: 8.315
1/8 Mile MPH: 86.210
0-60 Foot ET: 1.990
Temperature F: 76.0

Notice the 112 trap speed, also a record by the way, so the fastest and quickest 335i's are running JB2's

Again, lets be clear here too though for those not in the know.
Those times come from a car with DP's, exhaust, Drag Radials, Lightweight wheels, race gas mix, CDV delete, drop in filter, etc etc too.
No doubt great times, but let's not lead others to believe those times were done from just a JB2 (or any other piggyback).

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Regardless, I don't see 0-60mph being anything more than a test of traction...
shiv

you mean just like the way a dyno isn't anything more than measurement how long it takes the motor to accelerate the flywheel then uses that to calcuate how big your e-penis is so everyone can go oooh and ahhhh??

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by grumpybear

you mean just like the way a dyno isn't anything more than measurement how long it takes the motor to accelerate the flywheel then uses that to calcuate how big your e-penis is so everyone can go oooh and ahhhh??

That's funny, I always thought it was a really good tuning device.

And one that takes most uncontrollable variables out of the mix.

shiv

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

That's funny, I always thought it was a really good tuning device.

And one that takes most uncontrollable variables out of the mix.

shiv

nice, true and I could go a post a great looking dyno from my F-350 turbo diesel pushing 350HP and 650TQ but all that sound and fury is only as good as the "performance" numbers I could get with it, which would be terribly funny. Moral of the story, those great looking numbers from that dyno wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on when it came to "performance" and only thing that would matter is those times.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Is Terry using the same downhill stretch of land as he did last time when he posted his g-tech results? Regardless, I don't see 0-60mph being anything more than a test of traction when we are talking about a car that makes over 300bhp. Do a 0-100mph instead. It's no harder but a lot more revealing.

shiv

I'm not sure myself, but I think he's moved onto another road.
Not sure which one, not sure if he'll actually tell.

But let me say this:
I agree 0-60 means so little, and is far more about traction.
DR's help that hugely, especially on the street.

But I think those times are possible.

He used the VBox I had. I was going to buy it from a friend who only used it 3-4 times, and let me borrow it. But then I decided not to, so Terry bought it after I suggested he get one.

I ran a 0-60 in 4.4 seconds on my auto 335i Coupe with just a PROcede v1.47 and EVERYTHING else STOCK.
I was at 1425 feet in elevation, and had 3/4 tank of just 91 Octane and only 1200 miles on my car.

Terry is running at a lower elevation, has thousands more miles on his car, has more mods, has lighter weight, is on race gas mix, is on Drag Radials, and ran in slightly cooler air.

There is no doubt a 0-60 in 4.0 seconds flat is possible with his mods and with 95+ Octane race gas mix.
And a sub 4.0 second run on the race gas with the race gas map.

Great times, but not really surprising. Don't know why so many people expected or wanted there to be so much hoopla around this post.
And I don't know how many more 0-60 posts we actually need either.
As Shiv said, it's so much about traction anyway Simply taking off the DR's and going on street tires will add .1-.2 seconds to the 0-60 times.

The VBox also measures and times rolling run speeds.
Use that as a measure of power from a car.
Or better yet, do rolling runs with other cars for comparison sake that showcases a car's power, removes traction as a variable and nearly removes all driver ability from the equation too.

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Great times, but not really surprising. Don't know why so many people expected or wanted there to be so much hoopla around this post.

here is a reason, how about if there can be endless pages of joy about what a guy got a car to do while in a shop running with it's back tires sitting on a giant roller, that shouldn't be even more pages of endless joy for what a car is actually accomplishing in the real world, on the road, regardless of who's driving it or how it's tuned. Isn't this a forum about the car, not a tuner??

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by grumpybear

here is a reason, how about if there can be endless pages of joy about what a car did while in a shop running with a back tires sitting on a giant roller, that shouldn't be even more pages of endless joy for what a car is actually accomplishing in the real world, on the road, regardless of who's driving it or how it's tuned.

Perhaps it's the engineer in me speaking but a properly conducted dyno test isn't much different than a run on the street. Just as long as coolant, oil and charge temps are similar in both situations, the results are directly comparable. Dynos are nice in that it doesn't take into account driver behavior or car set-up. It's become very fashionable to say that dynos aren't realistic. But this usually comes from people who don't know how to use them or don't have access to them. Like any tool, they can be misused. But that doesn't make a properly conducted dyno test any less valid. In the end, it is far more controlled than vbox/gtech testing on your local streets. And for an actual tuner, far more revealing.

Shiv

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Perhaps it's the engineer in me speaking but a properly conducted dyno test isn't much different than a run on the street.
Shiv

not exactly and again using my f-350 as an example, if I just posted the dyno and didn't say what it came from, people would assume performance numbers that would be totally unrealistic. I'd have to take it to a track and time it to see how those dyno numbers equaled performance. Same thing applies to any vehicle ,those numbers really mean nothing at the end of the day other than to boast about how "powerful" your motor is, only the track slip matters. If I have an Enzo and I lose to an old mazda truck, no one cares that I'm pulling 600 HP on a dyno.

[De90man]

Originally Posted by Driver72

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No doubt great times, but let's not lead others to believe those times were done from just a JB2 (or any other piggyback).

Nobody think this...Nor did anyone think shiv's 400whp dyno announcement was just Procede

And, 0-60 times are more than a test of traction (don't insult your own intelligence)...most cars with "300hp" cannot do a 3.8 sec 0-60. Even on DRs and race gas.

Also, it's 'legal' and can be done without a drag strip....and this benchmark is an accepted world standard...headline worthy in fact, so with all due , just say "good job" and bounce