[Briancanadiano]

Originally Posted by evo335xi

If the turbo is on the smaller side you will be ok from a low roll with the instant torque. From a 40-60 roll any tuned mid grade turbo with modest boost will pull you eventually. It's a wide range I know, but literally with them that's what it is. A 50trim or even gt30 will make them move!

Off the line is a no-no for me then? Where's my best chance? From a roll?

[PINeely]

You have to cover as much ground as you can while he regains traction and his turbo spools. Assuming a big turbo once he hits peak boost he is going to reel you in QUICK.

[RuthlessE92]

Originally Posted by Briancanadiano

Off the line is a no-no for me then? Where's my best chance? From a roll?

You will have a better chance off a dig. He will get you off a roll or freeway pull.
Try and find out his setup or atleast how much whp he is making

[NOTM3]

Too many variables. I have seen hatches with just k swaps no turbos keep up with a heavily modded 335i. Bottom line a sohc Honda on boost makes around 200 whp. A dohc makes closer to 3. But there cars are very light. And those are not accounting a built motor. My friends hatch makes 500whp on 30lbs fully built

[stanlalee]

If he tells you that and wants to run he's likely going to blow your doors off. a) the hatchbacks weigh nothing b) I have yet to see one WITHOUT an engine swap at this point in time (its almost automatic so don't expect him to have a 1.6L SOHC) c) throw a turbo on top of it. Technically it could be a high 14 second civic but combine the fact he won't tell you what he's done with the fact he wants to run and not just talk he's probably well prepared. There is a chance it was a 16 second civic and he's so drunk off not being slow he thinks his 13.5 civic conquers all (seen this too) but its atypical for people outside the BMW world to think they can easily handle a FBO 335i. The folklore of a FBO 335i might even surpass the actual results.

[mike_c79]

Originally Posted by Briancanadiano

Off the line is a no-no for me then? Where's my best chance? From a roll?

I really think your sweating this way too much! If your that worried about a turbo civic beating you then sell your 335i & go build a faster civic than him, I love my car that's why I bought it! I could care less if a turbo civic or turbo miata pulled me , shit I would think its awesome & I would tell them so maybe even have them take me for a ride! Ever been in a 350-400 wp 2,300 lb car?? It's fun! Who cares if you loose at the end of the day to each their own power to weight ratio will always get us just go for it & know your looking good winning or loosing! Lol
I got my ass handed to me by a 03 Cobra with 750 rwp & a 93 Rx-7 single turbo making 525 rwp & I had fun and loved every minute of it I ran with them both all through my second gear then it was like I hit the breaks lol

[mjmarovi]

Best chance is to race from the highest speed roll he will accept. 50-60mph would be a good goal. not sure why you list what map you are running as a mod..lol. Map 5 is usually best for running e85 as it automatically adjusts. Since that's not available I suggest at least getting a meth kit, run a 80/20 mix with at least a single CM10 nozzle, and run map 7. I had my best/cleanest logs and dyno's when I was only FBO with that setup. I ran two CM10 nozzles though, car loved it.

[ken1137]

Depends on how much money he dumped into the Civic. GReddy has turbo kits that will produce up to 265hp. However, I just viewed an 800 hp monster with a gigantic turbo that was supercharged. GL !

[335NJ]

Whatever you do.. Record it on an HD camera of some sort for scientific reasons

Civic turbo can mean SOOO many things as stated before. I say run him no matter what if you're not playing for money. But anyone can slap an eBay turbo kit on a civic. Unless he has modifications to dance with that turbo, you'll take him.

[Jklad]

Originally Posted by mike_c79

I really think your sweating this way too much! If your that worried about a turbo civic beating you then sell your 335i & go build a faster civic than him, I love my car that's why I bought it! I could care less if a turbo civic or turbo miata pulled me , shit I would think its awesome & I would tell them so maybe even have them take me for a ride! Ever been in a 350-400 wp 2,300 lb car?? It's fun! Who cares if you loose at the end of the day to each their own power to weight ratio will always get us just go for it & know your looking good winning or loosing! Lol
I got my ass handed to me by a 03 Cobra with 750 rwp & a 93 Rx-7 single turbo making 525 rwp & I had fun and loved every minute of it I ran with them both all through my second gear then it was like I hit the breaks lol

I wish more people had this kind of positive attitude. Don't let it get competitive to the point where it gets into your head. I think if a civic beat an FBO 335i then that would awesome and deserves congrats. I would recommend running off the line, armed with drag radials so you can hole-shot him off the bat. Practice your launches beforehand so you know how to launch hard. Oh, and maybe someone could ship you some e85??!

[Miller335]

I just play it cool, no need to turn it into a pissing match.
He likes cars, you like cars. It's all in good fun.

[CFalls]

He can run his mouth all he wants, but no matter what the out come is, at the end of the day you drive a 335 and he drives a civic.

[climax_e92]

Originally Posted by CFalls

He can run his mouth all he wants, but no matter what the out come is, at the end of the day you drive a 335 and he drives a civic.

^THIS

Let him be immature. Show that you're the bigger man. What's the point in you racing him? You don't want to stoop down to his level of thinking. What if something happens to you, or your car, or to someone that was on the road? Can't let that get in you conscious. And like stated above, you drive a classy car, compared to his boy toy civic. So be classy, and don't let someone "talking smack" make you make a bad decision that you might regret.

If you 'must' race him. Then go to a track. You don't want to lose your car because some *** wanted to race in his Civic.

Trust me, 4 Honda civic Hatch's tried getting me to race once in my MR2. I didn't do it until miles later, so when i finally did, one of them spun out and crashed right behind me going over 130 on high speed turns. It was NUTS and made me not want to race again.

Make the right decision!

[Briancanadiano]

Originally Posted by climax_e92

^THIS

Let him be immature. Show that you're the bigger man. What's the point in you racing him? You don't want to stoop down to his level of thinking. What if something happens to you, or your car, or to someone that was on the road? Can't let that get in you conscious. And like stated above, you drive a classy car, compared to his boy toy civic. So be classy, and don't let someone "talking smack" make you make a bad decision that you might regret.

If you 'must' race him. Then go to a track. You don't want to lose your car because some *** wanted to race in his Civic.

Trust me, 4 Honda civic Hatch's tried getting me to race once in my MR2. I didn't do it until miles later, so when i finally did, one of them spun out and crashed right behind me going over 130 on high speed turns. It was NUTS and made me not want to race again.

Make the right decision!

Thanks for the pointers guys.

[Jed]

Originally Posted by CFalls

He can run his mouth all he wants, but no matter what the out come is, at the end of the day you drive a 335 and he drives a civic.

This statement always cracks me up, it was a standard response in bimmerforums back in the day.

Sometimes enthusiasts just like what they like. I'm sure if any of us rambled on to an M3/M5/M6 owner about the tunability of an FI motor and that a 335 could be built to beat them, they'd say the same thing!

Back on topic. Yeah, sometimes you just need to be careful with some of these Civics, some of them aren't just rice. Several years ago, my friend had an E36 M3 with a tuned semi-race motor in it and ran a Civic that kept up with no problem. Turned out the guy had a Jackson Racing S/C under the hood. My friend thought that he was going to waste him. Wrong.

[Narcosis]

Take a drive to Mexico with your Honda pal, make a run or 2, video them and report back.

[Narcosis]

Originally Posted by CFalls

He can run his mouth all he wants, but no matter what the out come is, at the end of the day you drive a 335 and he drives a civic.

I had to quote this for truth.

[MikeE90NC]

See which one of the cars gets panties to drop first, youll never lose lol. Nice mkII climax_e92, I miss mine every day.

[Ph3n0m]

Anyone else confused about "loosing"? Line em up and get off the internetz.

[v1nc86]

Win or lose, don't care, at the end of the day you still have a BMW 335 and he has a old Honda Civic...

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Just race & see what happens, everything else is guess work & speculation.

[enigma99a]

Originally Posted by Briancanadiano

Is a charge pipe and blow off valve a must? I don't get any codes or boost leaks that I've noticed.

Some day you'll be driving with your high boost and you'll hear a **POP** and into limp mode. When you get the hood open, you'll find the plastic CP blown to bits. Thank goodness when it happened to me, the engine didn't swallow any plastic pieces!

Do yourself a favor and get a metal CP. It's money well invested. Plus you won't have to replace a broken MAF sensor, which are a little expensive.