[lawdude]

Originally Posted by M3to335

So, how many days (if not hours) is it going to take for someone to disect a harness, make their own for 10 bux, then turn around and sell them for $100?

What about the new firmware?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by lawdude

What about the new firmware?

Firmware is free!

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Firmware is free!

I musta read too fast. Where did Shiv write that?

[M3to335]

Im serious, Im not trying to be an ass with that comment.

Anyone with half a brain and the will to make some money is going to buy a harness, replicate it, and make a fortune on it. $150 for wires is ludacris and very easily exploitable. Guesstimating, you can turn more then 28k profit on 200 sets of wires alone.

[billspreston]

Originally Posted by M3to335

Im serious, Im not trying to be an ass with that comment.

Anyone with half a brain and the will to make some money is going to buy a harness, replicate it, and make a fortune on it. $150 for wires is ludacris and very easily exploitable. Guesstimating, you can turn more then 28k profit on 200 sets of wires alone.

Are you actually promoting people rip Vishnu off in Vishnu's own thread - c'mon bro $150 is a fair price to pay for the hard work these guys put into their product. Same reason I will buy an Album from a band I support, I could easily steal it, but would rather give some money to people I like. Support people doing good things and better things will probably happen.

[bnj]

If someone would sell nice industrially manufactured harnesses at $300 it would make the hand-made harnesses look like a steal at $150

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by M3to335

$150 for wires is ludacris and very easily exploitable.

What does Ludacris have to do with wires and why would you want to exploit a hip hop artist?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by lawdude

I musta read too fast. Where did Shiv write that?

That is the current distribution model for Procede. There are no licenses for firmware. This means that it is free.

[billspreston]

Originally Posted by lawdude

What does Ludacris have to do with wires and why would you want to exploit a hip hop artist?

Says the man from Hotlanta

[bnj]

Originally Posted by lawdude

What does Ludacris have to do with wires and why would you want to exploit a hip hop artist?

So you want us all to buy his album?

[scottp999]

Thanks for all the info Shiv. I will be ordering one asap.

I don't understand the complaints. Keep doing what you are doing, we appreciate it.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by bnj

So you want us all to buy his album?

As long as you know how to spell his name, I'll be happy.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by M3to335

Im serious, Im not trying to be an ass with that comment.

Anyone with half a brain and the will to make some money is going to buy a harness, replicate it, and make a fortune on it. $150 for wires is ludacris and very easily exploitable. Guesstimating, you can turn more then 28k profit on 200 sets of wires alone.

You really seem to have a problem with the 150 bucks. Pay them gladly, be happy and get a great value for the money.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by lawdude

I musta read too fast. Where did Shiv write that?

FYI, Shiv wrote:
"The software update is free. There will be some cost associated with the associated v2 update harness. Not a lot though. Just basically covering our parts and construction costs. It will still work out cheaper to purchase a v1 PROcede and do the update than to wait a couple of months to purchase the v2 PROcede (which will see a price increase)."

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

FYI, Shiv wrote:
"The software update is free. There will be some cost associated with the associated v2 update harness. Not a lot though. Just basically covering our parts and construction costs. It will still work out cheaper to purchase a v1 PROcede and do the update than to wait a couple of months to purchase the v2 PROcede (which will see a price increase)."

I didn't say "software", I said "firmware". Here's what Shiv said about that:

Upgrade price for v2 to current PROcede users will be $150. This includes the new harness, firmware, etc,.

[pikkashoe]

Hey shiv, on tuesday, Im assuming the link for v 2.0 will be on the vishnutuning website somewhere. I dont see anything right now on there.

[Blk07335i]

Did Shiv say where these extra wires are going? Do they also get connected to the ECU harnesses or do they go outside of the ECU box?

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

FYI, Shiv wrote:
"The software update is free. There will be some cost associated with the associated v2 update harness. Not a lot though. Just basically covering our parts and construction costs. It will still work out cheaper to purchase a v1 PROcede and do the update than to wait a couple of months to purchase the v2 PROcede (which will see a price increase)."

and yet, people get on MY ass for bitching about the price

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by chris b.

wow. its gonna be a free for all tuesday. im soooo pissed i wont have internet access then and im sure the phonelines will be crazy. gonna have to redial alot

i doubt they will take phone orderes given the nature of it, there would be no way to sync them with online orders

[Hegemony]

Originally Posted by lawdude

What does Ludacris have to do with wires and why would you want to exploit a hip hop artist?

He's probably going to end up in the number 1 spot to buy a v2 upgrade. That means the rest of us are competing for number 2

[Tuned335i]

It's totally irrelevant how much Vishnu makes on thier products. Talented people need to get paid and if there was no profit in this, they wouldn't have developed it in the first place. You price a product to what the market will bear, not based on the cost to produce it, and obviously the harness does not cost $150. But Vishnu spent time developing V2 and making it as idiot proof as possible and for that we're all gonna pay $150 about 21 hours from now.

As far as people ripping off the new harness, Vishnu could easily incorporate a new piece of hardware into the harness to make it nearly impossible to duplicate if they want to, and they probably will if bootleg harnesses start showing up.

Seriously though, we're not driving $10K riced-out Civics. If you can afford these cars and the mods that go with them, you can sure as hell afford $150 for V2.

www.ricecop.com

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by Tuned335i

Everyone needs to stop bitching about the cost. And it's totally irrelevant how much Vishnu makes on thier products. Talented people need to get paid and if there was no profit in this, they wouldn't have developed it in the first place. You price a product to what the market will bear, not based on the cost to produce it, and obviously the harness does not cost $150.

right, thats how some people do it, unless they promised it at material cost