[tranquility]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Oh crap, that doesn't bode well, and I was saving that for after I finish HOTD. Darn.

Ok, I'm 2 episodes in, it seems good to me; the dialogue at least during these episodes were crucial to the story. I guess maybe ppl are too used to Marvel Universe movies these days w explosions or something happening required every 5 seconds.

[rbryantaz]

Originally Posted by HFW003

I am a huge LOTR fan and I have to say, this show is the moistest thing I have ever watched and I've watched some moist things in my life!

The dialogue is pure dribble and it has just gone on and on with nothing much happening.

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

My wife is a big fan, I really never was but she gave up on it before me.

I couldn't disagree more.

It takes some time to develop for sure but the last two episodes were very good. It seems like people set expectations very high, read a bad first review and stopped watching after a couple of episodes.... The show is also setting up a complicated series of events. The background of the rings isn't so simple as the hobbit which was more of a children's book. This series goes deeper than the simple black/white themes of the previous movies.

The series makes you think more about the nuance of bad, good, mistakes that are made even by the best of us. Leaders push too hard and lose support of their teams. People want to believe things that are not true and allow themselves to think that they are, etc (avoiding spoilers as much as possible here).

As a hint without a spoiler: Much of the dialogue actually makes more sense after the last episode and you have to think back about what was actually said rather than what characters heard...

LOTR isn't just a senseless quick action movie with no real substance where the same characters are repeated at nauseum just so fans can see some slight variation of the same story again or a character can do a cameo from another similar movie for no reason to excite everyone. That is for Marvel comic movies.... If that is what people are looking for then I agree it isn't the right show.

There is a major plot line in the choices we make to be good or evil even when they might not be the most beneficial to us as individuals. The plot line of needing to do bold things because they are right. That is the bigger picture of the story IMO. I find that if I don't have to think back about what happened in a show after it is over then it really wasn't good... For that to be possible the audience has to miss things just like the characters did. That makes dialogue complicated with some hidden messages, etc.

Of course there is a backdrop of all that we know already an expect to happen. That is the classic prequel issue. This existed in Obi-Wan and other prequels where certain events are set and there is no changing them.

My opinion is that the house of the dragon is the one that is crap. All characters are unlikeable. It is just a thirst for power at all costs the antithesis of LOTR. Oh yea and the RR Martin seems to have some thirst for incest that just won't stop.

Shows have changed a lot over the past 20-30 years to be very fast paced. LOTR has always been slow. The last half hour of the original series to wrap it up was very slow and boring. The first hobbit movie had the whole party with singing and dancing segment at Bag End which was painful to watch and could have been skipped IMO.

I wonder if we watched many movies that we love for the first time today looking for instant gratification what we would think about them??

-Rich

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by rbryantaz

I couldn't disagree more.

It takes some time to develop for sure but the last two episodes were very good. It seems like people set expectations very high, read a bad first review and stopped watching after a couple of episodes.... The show is also setting up a complicated series of events. The background of the rings isn't so simple as the hobbit which was more of a children's book. This series goes deeper than the simple black/white themes of the previous movies.

The series makes you think more about the nuance of bad, good, mistakes that are made even by the best of us. Leaders push too hard and lose support of their teams. People want to believe things that are not true and allow themselves to think that they are, etc (avoiding spoilers as much as possible here).

As a hint without a spoiler: Much of the dialogue actually makes more sense after the last episode and you have to think back about what was actually said rather than what characters heard...

LOTR isn't just a senseless quick action movie with no real substance where the same characters are repeated at nauseum just so fans can see some slight variation of the same story again or a character can do a cameo from another similar movie for no reason to excite everyone. That is for Marvel comic movies.... If that is what people are looking for then I agree it isn't the right show.

There is a major plot line in the choices we make to be good or evil even when they might not be the most beneficial to us as individuals. The plot line of needing to do bold things because they are right. That is the bigger picture of the story IMO. I find that if I don't have to think back about what happened in a show after it is over then it really wasn't good... For that to be possible the audience has to miss things just like the characters did. That makes dialogue complicated with some hidden messages, etc.

Of course there is a backdrop of all that we know already an expect to happen. That is the classic prequel issue. This existed in Obi-Wan and other prequels where certain events are set and there is no changing them.

My opinion is that the house of the dragon is the one that is crap. All characters are unlikeable. It is just a thirst for power at all costs the antithesis of LOTR. Oh yea and the RR Martin seems to have some thirst for incest that just won't stop.

Shows have changed a lot over the past 20-30 years to be very fast paced. LOTR has always been slow. The last half hour of the original series to wrap it up was very slow and boring. The first hobbit movie had the whole party with singing and dancing segment at Bag End which was painful to watch and could have been skipped IMO.

I wonder if we watched many movies that we love for the first time today looking for instant gratification what we would think about them??

-Rich

I agree w all you wrote save for saying that HOTD is crap. It's different, that's for sure and nuanced as well. I get amused reading comments that are polar opposites to mine on YT saying this and this HOTD character is horrible, so that shows there are many interpretations (even though I think that I analyze more objectively than many haha).

It's difficult for me to compare these 2 series right now since I just started this prequel but I'm liking what I'm seeing despite some -ive reviews.

[rbryantaz]

Originally Posted by tranquility

I agree w all you wrote save for saying that HOTD is crap. It's different, that's for sure and nuanced as well. I get amused reading comments that are polar opposites to mine on YT saying this and this HOTD character is horrible, so that shows there are many interpretations (even though I think that I analyze more objectively than many haha).

It's difficult for me to compare these 2 series right now since I just started this prequel but I'm liking what I'm seeing despite some -ive reviews.

It is fair that saying it is "crap"is premature.

I think that the last two episodes of HOTD have been the worst taking it in a negative trajectory for me. We will have to wait and see if it is a darkest before dawn moment or not....

[OkieSnuffBox]

It's almost like people have different tastes.

Also, I don't know why people get so hung up on worrying if other people like what they like.

[TTM0TION]

Originally Posted by rbryantaz

It is fair that saying it is "crap"is premature.

I think that the last two episodes of HOTD have been the worst taking it in a negative trajectory for me. We will have to wait and see if it is a darkest before dawn moment or not....

Wow, I liked the last two so much it gave me faith in season 2 LOL.

[TXSTYLE]

HOTD is NOT as great as GOT... Period.
But... It is definitely entertaining... Period.
IMO, they are setting up Season 2 for amazing.
Remember, this is my genre! I will be completely honest.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

HOTD is NOT as great as GOT... Period.
But... It is definitely entertaining... Period.
IMO, they are setting up Season 2 for amazing.
Remember, this is my genre! I will be completely honest.

Overall, sure, maybe, but we haven't seen all of the HOTD yet obviously so the jury's still out. Vs s8 or even the latter seasons? Definitely HOTD>>>>GOT there.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by rbryantaz

I think that the last two episodes of HOTD have been the worst taking it in a negative trajectory for me. We will have to wait and see if it is a darkest before dawn moment or not....

Episodes 8 and 9? I thought that the whole season has been quite consistently good for me.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Episodes 8 and 9? I thought that the whole season has been quite consistently good for me.

I agree. Except first couple were pretty dry. Rest have been wonderful.

[TXSTYLE]

Watching THIS tonight right after Thursday Night Football, both on Amazon Prime!
Love me some Chloe...

[Murf the Surf]

I watched the first episode of Succession some time ago and wasn't really getting into it. So last night we were looking for something else to start, we were going through options and my wife liked the description so we gave it a shot. Watched 3 episodes and my wife only nodded off for about 10 minutes. In my world that's 2 thumbs up.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I watched the first episode of Succession some time ago and wasn't really getting into it. So last night we were looking for something else to start, we were going through options and my wife liked the description so we gave it a shot. Watched 3 episodes and my wife only nodded off for about 10 minutes. In my world that's 2 thumbs up.

Neither of us liked it. The acting was abysmal, just so bad.

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Neither of us liked it. The acting was abysmal, just so bad.

agreed. i just dont get how it's winning so many awards.

and anyone thinking house of dragons has unlikeable characters? FFS...succession is the worst. there's not a single character that i wanted to root for. i really rooted for a drone strike when they were all in one place trying to eff each other over.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by happyjack

agreed. i just dont get how it's winning so many awards.

and anyone thinking house of dragons has unlikeable characters? FFS...succession is the worst. there's not a single character that i wanted to root for. i really rooted for a drone strike when they were all in one place trying to eff each other over.

I'm kind of enjoying the fact that they are all unlikable. It's a bit of a departure from the norm.

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I'm kind of enjoying the fact that they are all unlikable. It's a bit of a departure from the norm.

i hear a lot of people say that. i watched 2 seasons and threw in the towel.

[OkieSnuffBox]

We finished the miniseries "The Watcher" on Netflix last night.

I think they probably could have made it 1-2 episodes shorter than the 7 it is. Interesting watch with lots of twists and turns, but overall when it ended I was just like, "Meh."

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Watching THIS tonight right after Thursday Night Football, both on Amazon Prime!
Love me some Chloe...

Watched first 2 episodes. I like it!

[Moneybanks14]

Currently watching season 3 of locke and key on netflix. If you have a great imagination then it's a good watch. Before this we just finished all the current seasons of manifest (had to use a German vpn to access it in the UK)

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by happyjack

agreed. i just dont get how it's winning so many awards.

and anyone thinking house of dragons has unlikeable characters? FFS...succession is the worst. there's not a single character that i wanted to root for. i really rooted for a drone strike when they were all in one place trying to eff each other over.

Yup, just horrible, horrible human beings...and to know that there are ppl like this in our hierarchy/irl is just depressing. Drone strike indeed!


In other news, the HOTD finale has been leaked, woo-hoo!!!!

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I was impulsive and watched the leak. Some interesting changes made from the book. An excellent episode, but man, its gonna be two years before more HOTD and that just makes me sad! Time to rewatch GoT maybe, although stop at season 7

I'm not a book reader but ya glad ppl are saying they made some good changes...if we're thinking about that scene, yup, totally agreed.

2 years??? NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, friends don't let friends watch the last season of GOT, or, The-season-that-must-not-be-named lol.

[RickFLM4]

Started The Watcher on Netflix. Pretty interesting so far.