[Car-Addicted]

I would own a plug in hybrid if not for the LiPo batteries. I will be very interested in the facts and roll out of solid state batteries. Yes Efthreeoh has been on point on this but this is cultist behavior and income redistribution which always trumps common sense.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Wrt plug in hybrids is that manufacturers are from what i can see deliberately sandbagging them.

I agree but I suspect there is more to this. At the end of the day it comes down to money. I suspect that ESG has a huge effect on this behind the scenes as well as CAFE laws as a EV will move the curve more that a hybrid.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Battery smoke just weeds out the weak.

Mostly firemen that do have to deal with it not

[Car-Addicted]

Chasing the free Government Cheese.
BMW USA CEO: Slower Growth in EV Sales, 6 EV Models from Spartanburg Plant
The company anticipates manufacturing six fully electric vehicle models in its Spartanburg, South Carolina plant by 2030. Mackensen wouldn’t outline the exact models, but we expect to see a BMW iX5, iX6 and iX7.
BMW Group announced plans to spend $1.7 billion to build EVs and batteries in the United States. Of the total investment, $700 million is reserved for a new high-voltage battery assembly plant situated in Woodruff, South Carolina.
BMW’s EVs have also been heavily incetivized recently with the iX having credits as high as $9500 and with dealers discounting more than 10 percent on average.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/12/13/b...o-on-ev-sales/
By the time BMW gets there, the $7,500.00 Government Cheese may be gone.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Chasing the free Government Cheese.
BMW USA CEO: Slower Growth in EV Sales, 6 EV Models from Spartanburg Plant
The company anticipates manufacturing six fully electric vehicle models in its Spartanburg, South Carolina plant by 2030. Mackensen wouldn’t outline the exact models, but we expect to see a BMW iX5, iX6 and iX7.
BMW Group announced plans to spend $1.7 billion to build EVs and batteries in the United States. Of the total investment, $700 million is reserved for a new high-voltage battery assembly plant situated in Woodruff, South Carolina.
BMW’s EVs have also been heavily incetivized recently with the iX having credits as high as $9500 and with dealers discounting more than 10 percent on average.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/12/13/b...o-on-ev-sales/
By the time BMW gets there, the $7,500.00 Government Cheese may be gone.

I can see a situation similar to Ford, Jeep,Toyota and the others, even with the $ 7.5k in place and still expensive, unsold cars on the forecourt will grow. Ok its BMW but it'll remain the same old song, walking blindfold into a not selling enough crisis.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Chasing the free Government Cheese.
BMW USA CEO: Slower Growth in EV Sales, 6 EV Models from Spartanburg Plant
The company anticipates manufacturing six fully electric vehicle models in its Spartanburg, South Carolina plant by 2030. Mackensen wouldn’t outline the exact models, but we expect to see a BMW iX5, iX6 and iX7.
BMW Group announced plans to spend $1.7 billion to build EVs and batteries in the United States. Of the total investment, $700 million is reserved for a new high-voltage battery assembly plant situated in Woodruff, South Carolina.
BMW’s EVs have also been heavily incetivized recently with the iX having credits as high as $9500 and with dealers discounting more than 10 percent on average.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/12/13/b...o-on-ev-sales/
By the time BMW gets there, the $7,500.00 Government Cheese may be gone.

It was not long ago that everyone was knocking BMW for not going all guns blazing into electrification.
Currently the IX is their only Pure EV product. All the rest are a platform to accommodate both ev and ice and plug in hybrid powertrains.
I don't think bmw should qualify for the credit. The credit should be reserved for sub 50k EVs so that the people who need support benefit. Why offer it to people buying a 100k plus IX.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

It was not long ago that everyone was knocking BMW for not going all guns blazing into electrification.
Currently the IX is their only Pure EV product. All the rest are a platform to accommodate both ev and ice and plug in hybrid powertrains.
I don't think bmw should qualify for the credit. The credit should be reserved for sub 50k EVs so that the people who need support benefit. Why offer it to people buying a 100k plus IX.

We, as a country (US)... spend money on dumb shit... and later wonder why inflation roars. Gov't spending for things like this need to be cut asap as our debt is reaching uncontrollable levels... they can no longer even finance the debt at current interest rates.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

It was not long ago that everyone was knocking BMW for not going all guns blazing into electrification.
Currently the IX is their only Pure EV product. All the rest are a platform to accommodate both ev and ice and plug in hybrid powertrains.
I don't think bmw should qualify for the credit. The credit should be reserved for sub 50k EVs so that the people who need support benefit. Why offer it to people buying a 100k plus IX.

I'm not saying I agree with government subsidies. i don't. But, the thinking on ev credits for higher priced cars is to foster the higher overall sales that will allow economies of scale. And in the end, will bring down average EV car prices. And keep the manufacturers in the EV game.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

It was not long ago that everyone was knocking BMW for not going all guns blazing into electrification.
Currently the IX is their only Pure EV product. All the rest are a platform to accommodate both ev and ice and plug in hybrid powertrains.
I don't think bmw should qualify for the credit. The credit should be reserved for sub 50k EVs so that the people who need support benefit. Why offer it to people buying a 100k plus IX.

Everyone? Everyone where? Certainly not around here.

[Car-Addicted]

The reason that I posted that article is to point out that because of the changes (restrictions) to the EV rules to qualify for tax incentives it will be necessary to produce batteries or battery components in the US and to build a percentage of the vehicle on the US. Audi, Mercedes and BMW will have to meet these requirements to get the free government cheese for their customers. Lets see who tries a business relationship with Ford Motor Co because that has worked so well for European based automotive companies in the past.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The reason that I posted that article is to point out that because of the changes (restrictions) to the EV rules to qualify for tax incentives it will be necessary to produce batteries or battery components in the US and to build a percentage of the vehicle on the US. Audi, Mercedes and BMW will have to meet these requirements to get the free government cheese for their customers. Lets see who tries a business relationship with Ford Motor Co because that has worked so well for European based automotive companies in the past.

Take home = Govt cheese flips and flops like the wind.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I'm not saying I agree with government subsidies. i don't. But, the thinking on ev credits for higher priced cars is to foster the higher overall sales that will allow economies of scale. And in the end, will bring down average EV car prices. And keep the manufacturers in the EV game.

In the UK if you buy an ev for business use 40% of the purchase price is handed out back to you. Zero for personal purchase. Unless I'm missing an US tax loophole the US way of handing out credit to all EV buyers seems more equal.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

In the UK if you buy an ev for business use 40% of the purchase price is handed out back to you. Zero for personal purchase.

What's what I love about the UK, They are far more "F"ed up than we are. Give us time we are racing to catch up.

If handing out tax payer money to EV buyers is your idea of "seems more equal". Not if you're the tax paying ICE buyer. No Government Cheese for us.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

What's what I love about the UK, They are far more "F"ed up than we are. Give us time we are racing to catch up.

If handing out tax payer money to EV buyers is your idea of "seems more equal". Not if you're the tax paying ICE buyer. No Government Cheese for us.

If there is cheese every rat gets cheese not just fat cat rats who can buy ev for business
In general no cheese =best cheese

[Car-Addicted]

The Chinese automaker has big plans for Europe in 2025, but it's still working on a plan to enter the American market.
Dec 15, 2023
Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio is reportedly working on a plan to enter the American market, though the dates are a little hazy.
Ganesh Iyer, CEO Nio USA, said the company is considering "any kind of partnerships" in North America.
As far Europe, well, that's another story. Company president Lihong Qin told reporters that Nio will launch its cheaper Firefly brand in Europe in 2025.
Chinese EV makers are drawn to Europe because auto import tariffs are just 10% versus 27.5% in the U.S.
https://www.thestreet.com/electric-v...and-heres-when

A Chinese EV called "Firefly" Man you can't make this stuff up.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The Chinese automaker has big plans for Europe in 2025, but it's still working on a plan to enter the American market.
Dec 15, 2023
Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio is reportedly working on a plan to enter the American market, though the dates are a little hazy.
Ganesh Iyer, CEO Nio USA, said the company is considering "any kind of partnerships" in North America.
As far Europe, well, that's another story. Company president Lihong Qin told reporters that Nio will launch its cheaper Firefly brand in Europe in 2025.
Chinese EV makers are drawn to Europe because auto import tariffs are just 10% versus 27.5% in the U.S.
https://www.thestreet.com/electric-v...and-heres-when

A Chinese EV called "Firefly" Man you can't make this stuff up.

Must be wanting to 'match' it up with their new ideas for names. Last Firefly I saw was a WW2 allied tank at a museum.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The Chinese automaker has big plans for Europe in 2025, but it's still working on a plan to enter the American market.
Dec 15, 2023
Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio is reportedly working on a plan to enter the American market, though the dates are a little hazy.
Ganesh Iyer, CEO Nio USA, said the company is considering "any kind of partnerships" in North America.
As far Europe, well, that's another story. Company president Lihong Qin told reporters that Nio will launch its cheaper Firefly brand in Europe in 2025.
Chinese EV makers are drawn to Europe because auto import tariffs are just 10% versus 27.5% in the U.S.
https://www.thestreet.com/electric-v...and-heres-when

A Chinese EV called "Firefly" Man you can't make this stuff up.

BYD is setting up shop in Mexico to avoid the heavy tariffs.
Chinese cars will take over in next 5 to 10yrs. As boomers die off - new generations are much more acceptable of EVs and will just buy whatever is best for the $$$.

None of this is good for enthusiasts as Chinese never had ICE cars so they could care less about manuals and “connection” with a car.

Sad that all the German brands are forced to give up decades of engineering leverage/expertise and basically compete against Chinese companies. The EU and US governments sold us out again.

[NikMN]

That's cute ev chat bots are at it again

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by NikMN

That's cute ev chat bots are at it again

TheStreet is a chat bot? If you have a issue with the facts please enlighten us.
“Speak only if it improves upon the silence.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

[NikMN]

Needs some tea to come down a bit?

[Car-Addicted]

This one is for NikMN
Only 1% of NYC Residents Own an EV

[NikMN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

This one is for NikMN
Only 1% of NYC Residents Own an EV

You got me wrong Addicted. I like cars that don't sound like a vacuum cleaner and clame to help Jonny polar bear.