[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Couch

I have been in several places that have looked at me because I was white.

My friends and I were even refused service. We sat in the booth at Denny's for over 45 minutes. The waitress came by twice saying she would be by to take our orders. She waited on every single table around us. Except ours. We were the only white customers there.

I think that's happened to everyone at Denny's.

Sorry man, I can't believe that you have been discriminated more than a non-white person. That's just how this country works. You can't really expect it to be the other way around simply because white people are the plurality.

And trust me, I'm not one to use the race card as a crutch.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by KenB

I think people (wrongly) blame everything that they can't otherwise explain on racisim, sometimes its just an f-ed up situation, or a cop that is an a-hole, or a bad waiter.

You're right. When a cop refers to me as YOU PEOPLE that is clearly not racism.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by KenB

I think people (wrongly) blame everything that they can't otherwise explain on racisim, sometimes its just an f-ed up situation, or a cop that is an a-hole, or a bad waiter.

Originally Posted by KenB

Clearly I know your life history and I am familiar with every situation that you have experienced.

Even "you people" doesn't have to be racist.

Then you shouldn't make such a generalized statement.

LOL, what do you think he was referring to when saying you people? Pulling me over in a stock car and giving me an exhaust ticket... Car was 2 weeks old even. Car was quiet with stock everything.

I guess you can say "YOU PEOPLE" doesn't have to be racist but CLEARLY you don't know my life history and you weren't there, correct? I think I know what context he used it in better than you did based on you "clearly not knowing my life history."

right back at cha

[CalZ4M]

The saddest part of America right now (to me) is that you are not allowed to have an opinion unless its the most wishy washy vanilla BS around. What ever happened to people standing up for themselves and their opinions?

[inabis]

Originally Posted by Couch

I have been in several places that have looked at me because I was white.

My friends and I were even refused service. We sat in the booth at Denny's for over 45 minutes. The waitress came by twice saying she would be by to take our orders. She waited on every single table around us. Except ours. We were the only white customers there.

LMAO that same kinda thing happened to me at Denny's but my group was "assorted." A jamaican, a cuban, an indian (me), a canadian and a dude from NCarolina. My favorite part was that this was 3 in the morning and we were the ONLY people in the resturaunt...took us 45 min to get seated and no we weren't drunk. The thing that made me laugh was she put us in a booth and when I pulled up a chair to the free end (since we were 5 ppl) she came over yelled at me saying it was a fire hazard for me to sit there and if a fire inspector somes they would get in trouble b/c ppl might trip over me as they run out!!?? WTF oh then she went off on me when I said that i don't want the gravy since it had sausage in it while I was ORDERING it's not like they had even brought out the food...rofl everyone has stories from Denny's

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by inabis

LMAO that same kinda thing happened to me at Denny's but my group was "assorted." A jamaican, a cuban, an indian (me), a canadian and a dude from NCarolina. My favorite part was that this was 3 in the morning and we were the ONLY people in the resturaunt...took us 45 min to get seated and no we weren't drunk. ...rofl everyone has stories from Denny's

Exactly!

Denny's sucks period.

Thus, if you're treated bad at their restaurant, it has nothing to do w/ your race.

[out4scrilla]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

You're right. When a cop refers to me as YOU PEOPLE that is clearly not racism.

A cop once said that to me for no reason. I think its because he saw two young black kids rolling in a bmw in predominately white neighborhood? His exact words were " You people think you own the road and that you can drive however you like?

oh i got pulled over for not signaling to make a left in a left only lane.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

You're right. When a cop refers to me as YOU PEOPLE that is clearly not racism.

Could easily mean teenagers/young people. (Unless you're older)

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

A cop once said that to me for no reason. I think its because he saw two young black kids rolling in a bmw in predominately white neighborhood? His exact words were " You people think you own the road and that you can drive however you like?

oh i got pulled over for not signaling to make a left in a left only lane.

I'd interpret that "you people" being a rich thing because you're in a BMW, not a racial thing. You're own comment backed up some of the comments about racism being way overblown. You're immediate 1st thought was that it had to do with race. That's a problem. If you think you're different you will perceive different treatment and if you act different you'll receive it.

[out4scrilla]

That was not my first thought. I came to that conclusion because people usually dont signal in a left or right only lane. I have never heard of anyone being pulled over for that. I also live in a somewhat wealthy town so seeing a BMW is not at all strange in anyway.
I dont think im different at all I just dont think I got that you people line for not signalling to make a left in a left only lane. Oh andd my comments were not towards racism being overblown, it was to the fact that some one stated that the most racially targeted group of people are white males. That was one of the most foolish and absurd things i have heard ever. Its quite funny that people think that way but they never seem to look at the simple things as to what kind of gratitude and acknowledgement you recieve just simply by having white skin.

[Couch]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

I think that's happened to everyone at Denny's.

Sorry man, I can't believe that you have been discriminated more than a non-white person. That's just how this country works. You can't really expect it to be the other way around simply because white people are the plurality.

And trust me, I'm not one to use the race card as a crutch.

I believe you, and I was definitely not trying to say you do.

I was just stating my own experience. I use to get followed by cops in my truck all the time. I mean cops driving the opposite direction, slamming on their brakes and busting a 180 to follow me. Only to find that my record was clean after running my plates and busting another 180 to continue on their original route.

I do not think that I've been discrimated against more than someone of color. Nor was I tyring to imply that. The race card just has become so overused and abused.

Originally Posted by inabis

LMAO that same kinda thing happened to me at Denny's but my group was "assorted." A jamaican, a cuban, an indian (me), a canadian and a dude from NCarolina. My favorite part was that this was 3 in the morning and we were the ONLY people in the resturaunt...took us 45 min to get seated and no we weren't drunk. The thing that made me laugh was she put us in a booth and when I pulled up a chair to the free end (since we were 5 ppl) she came over yelled at me saying it was a fire hazard for me to sit there and if a fire inspector somes they would get in trouble b/c ppl might trip over me as they run out!!?? WTF oh then she went off on me when I said that i don't want the gravy since it had sausage in it while I was ORDERING it's not like they had even brought out the food...rofl everyone has stories from Denny's

Dude that's hilarious man. I think we were in there around the same time. And it was packed. I didn't really get all up in arms about it. My friends were pissed. I was just like whatever, we'll just never go back to that Denny's. It's the only negative experience I've had at a restaurant.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

Oh andd my comments were not towards racism being overblown, it was to the fact that some one stated that the most racially targeted group of people are white males. That was one of the most foolish and absurd things i have heard ever. Its quite funny that people think that way but they never seem to look at the simple things as to what kind of gratitude and acknowledgement you recieve just simply by having white skin.

I don't know about gratitude and acknowledgment because I don't have any comparisons, but white males are the only group of people that there can be none of at an institution and no law comes into effect afaik. i.e. quotas for minorities and women but nothing about majority males.

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

I came to that conclusion because people usually dont signal in a left or right only lane. I have never heard of anyone being pulled over for that.

At a lot of intersections around here there are "Right/Left turn signal" signs next to the light for turn only lanes. Probably a state thing that you don't have/isn't usually enforced in NJ.

[HEY32G]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

+1.

You have to be pretty ignorant to say such a remark. I'm not one to pull a race card but until you are the other race, you don't really know.

Walk into a restaurant and everyone stares at you b/c you aren't white? Driving and minding your own business and people yell racist things at you? I've experienced racial remarks in Elementary school, Jr High, High School, and College. I've had plenty of white friends since I was pretty active in sports. The ones that hung around their non-white friends will definitely agree that they don't experience as much racism.

You ever get pulled over for having a scented tree hanger in your mom's Volvo for obstruction of vision? Ever get an exhaust ticket for a stock exhaust? Please.

We get discriminated against in different ways. And yes I have been pulled over for absolutely no reason, and it was by a black cop. And ironically enough I have been stopped for having a stock exhaust, it was on a VW Corrado.

And yes I do know what it's like to have racial remarks yelled at you. And I do know what it's like to be discriminated against because of my white skin color.

I played basketball for a major division one college, and I was discriminated against every day, on and off the court. Try playing at Grambling University on the road, when you're the only white guy on your own team, and listen to what the fans are yelling at you. When I got home my g/f asked if she heard what she thought she heard over the radio broadcast. Try playing basketball when you're the only white guy on the team. I can't tell you how many times I was wide open and didn't get the pass because I was the white guy. I had to listen to oh you can't play as well because you're white. I had to beat every single guy on our team in one on one to get the respect. We had other white guys come through but they usually quit because of the racial tension. Fact is every day at practice was nothing but taking cheap shots at the white guys. I lasted because they knew I wouldn't take it and I could be just as dirty as they could. If they bloodied my nose, they knew theirs was coming before practice was over. In the end I had the respect of my teammates and we were friends and still are to this day. I've had many a dinner by myself in an athletic dining hall by myself because I was the white guy.

I've walked across a campus with black teammates and had to hear the "N" word yelled at them. I've nearly gone into the stands on the road because of what white fans were saying to my teammates.

I have no doubt you have been descriminated against, but you aren't the only one. And I'm willing to freely admit that you have probably had to suffer through more of it than I have. And I truly feel bad that you have to endure that crap. There is no reason for it at all. But don't tell me I know nothing about it. You have no idea what I've seen and experienced.

Try being a white male and getting a small business loan. Try being a white male and getting a scholarship to a good college when you aren't a great athlete.

[out4scrilla]

damn grambling was one of my top choices for college. I think that you have certainly been through alot but you also did attend in all black college. Im not saying that thats an excuse for it but what did you expect by enrolling. All that I am trying to say is that the white mail is not the most racially targeted group of people on this earth end of story.

[HEY32G]

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

damn grambling was one of my top choices for college. I think that you have certainly been through alot but you also did attend in all black college. Im not saying that thats an excuse for it but what did you expect by enrolling. All that I am trying to say is that the white mail is not the most racially targeted group of people on this earth end of story.

We were the visiting team when I played at Grambling. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[inabis]

Look, I've had a lot of racist shit thrown my way since I was growing up. Sometimes it was from whites, sometimes it was from blacks, a lot of times it was from Arabs and yes I even got it (and still continue to get it) by my own race. From my personal experience there is no racial upheaval. It's always been there. i guess maybe this is the first OPs experience but growing up with it all the time I can say is that racism is here to stay and it's NOT going anywhere. When I was in college we used to have a lot of sensitivity/diversity training (I was an RA) and I was always arguing with these "lets hold hands and sing kumbayaa" people.

My favorite "diversity" story comes from my trip to Purdue. I went there after my undergrad just to see the campus and just checking things out. Walking around I noticed that there weren't many minorities there (i guessed it was b/c it was located in W.Lafayette Indiana) but I just wanted to know what percentage was. Honestly, it was just an innocent question the percentage really didn't matter, I knew it was low. They really didn't have a grad tour program so the College recuiter and I were just hanging out when the group was going over the undergrad stuff. So I asked my question and then she turns to me and I quote: "Oh there aren't that many minorities here. But that's because you guys don't do so well on the SATs." I just stared at her with a blank expression on my face with my jaw to the floor...how could a college RECRUITER say something like this?? I guess she saw my expression and then tried to cover it up by saying "there are proven statistics that blacks don't do well on the SATs." Like David Chapelle says, when someone says something that it so utterly racist you really have no idea what to say. I was in shock and probably didn't get over it until a half hour later. I then walked out, never finished my application and haven't looked back since.

In terms of racism, here's my take on the situation:

As long as we are different there will be discrimination. We are all told we are "special" as children and believe it or not, this is ingrained into our psyche. As we grow older it is natural to gravitate towards those who go through the same experience as we do and most times they're people who happen to be of the same race. If eventually everybody screws everybody and we all eventually become the same color guess what?? We will STILL find a way to discriminate. It would then probably go to wealth levels, religion, or even something as dumb as what school you graduated from.

This is life. Whether you are a white guy trying to get a sports scholarship, an asian getting into a college or a black guy driving a nice car racism is going to suck. I dunno why but I've always seen that life is a system of checks and balances so I always try to remember something I find/get easily might be a struggle for someone else. Just be happy with what you have and if someone is being racist towards you it's probably b/c their either ignorant and/or afraid. There really is no reason to get all riled up all the time. It's just a waste of energy. More often than not, they're afraid b/c they are seeing you succeed and they're going no where. And sometimes they're just a hater.

[inabis]

on the flip side though, I hate it when ppl are extra nice and courteous to me just b/c I'm different. Just treat me normally this political correctness has just gotten a little ridiculous. People need to stop being so sensitive.

[Expired]

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

i think the holocaust is not brought up as much because it happened in europe? Also you say that there is scholarship for every other race except white. Thats because were not expected to succeed. Were expected to not finish school and basically become another scum of the earth. So why not give a chance to the people that actually want to better themselves? Is that not fair? Not everyone can afford college as I am sure you can. And if you focused more in school I am sure you would have recieved a scholarship. I do agree with you that slavery is brought up alot as a source of excuse and i do not agree with that. But what i also dont agree with is the promise to all the freed slaves and african american soldiers of the north of granting them 40 acres of land and 1 mule. That never happened did it?

I guess all I am trying to say is that you may not notice it but there are more simple things that more or less dont affect or appeal to you that deal with your race. You ever walked down the street and seen a woman clinge her purse as you walk past her? No? I have. It seems cliche but its a reality. It almost feels as if I'm deemed to do wrong by the color of my skin so people jump to conclusions before even meeting me. You still wanna be black for the day? So yeah you dont have it hard man. Get your education and if texas is so bad then move somewhere else.

90% of the time it isn't color, it's how you are dressed that affects you most.
I'm sure if I were dressed in a suit and walked past a woman, I would probably get a smile or something. If I were to throw on some torn up clothes with dirt on them and dress like a hobo, dress like a gangster with my pants around my knees, or dress like a foreigner, she would probably be clenching her purse as tight as she could or giving me weird looks. It also depends on the facial expression you have at the time, and body language.

You can't attribute everything to the color of your skin, like a lot of black people seem to do.. -___-

Also, I did receive a scholarship for school.. Enough to get my basics knocked out. I'm just saying that there isn't a scholarship fund out there directed towards whites alone. A few years ago when someone did start one, and had several hundred thousand dollars donated in a day from people across the nation, it was shut down because it was "racist". Who do you think deemed it as racist?? That's right, Jesse Jackson and his group of black supremacists.

Originally Posted by OC 335i

I think that's happened to everyone at Denny's.

Sorry man, I can't believe that you have been discriminated more than a non-white person. That's just how this country works. You can't really expect it to be the other way around simply because white people are the plurality.

And trust me, I'm not one to use the race card as a crutch.

There a few to none "good o'l boys" left in this country, I don't know any white people that hate others based on race. It is now mainly reverse racism that is happening. You will hear more racial slurs being said to whites than any other race in most schools and public places now. Black people may think of the word "cracker" as not being racist, but it is the equivalent of "NIG***". (Kind of funny how the N word is censored, yet other racial slang words are not..)

I do however know a lot of people regardless of race that dislike others for their actions.

They dislike 'gangsters' because they are rude, loud, and have no regard for others. They wear their shorts/pants to where they are about to fall off and they have to hold them up all the time. They are always talking shit to people and picking fights. They spend money on subs and rims for their car when they should be saving it up for something better.

They dislike 'hicks' because they are ignorant, dress that way just to be different, and say racist shit just to be cool. Their click also mods out their trucks in the typical hick fashion with the rebel flags, huge grills on the front, flood lights on the roof, and huge antennas for their CB's.

They dislike 'jocks' because they think they are better than everyone, always fucking with people, talking shit because they think it is funny. A lot seem to have the typical "roid rage" that is associated with them. They think that they can threaten people to get their way and others will back down. They basically think that they are hot shit.

The list goes on.. I can tell you that most whites don't hate based on color, they hate based on actions. It is the minorities that do the hating based on color, mainly blacks and hispanics.

All of this just to fit in with one another..

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

That was not my first thought. I came to that conclusion because people usually dont signal in a left or right only lane. I have never heard of anyone being pulled over for that. I also live in a somewhat wealthy town so seeing a BMW is not at all strange in anyway.
I dont think im different at all I just dont think I got that you people line for not signalling to make a left in a left only lane. Oh andd my comments were not towards racism being overblown, it was to the fact that some one stated that the most racially targeted group of people are white males. That was one of the most foolish and absurd things i have heard ever. Its quite funny that people think that way but they never seem to look at the simple things as to what kind of gratitude and acknowledgement you recieve just simply by having white skin.

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

A cop once said that to me for no reason. I think its because he saw two young black kids rolling in a bmw in predominately white neighborhood? His exact words were " You people think you own the road and that you can drive however you like?

oh i got pulled over for not signaling to make a left in a left only lane.

I think you received that line because of the car you were driving.
Hence the "think you own the road and that you can drive however you like?". It's a common stereotype that people in nice cars think that they can drive however they like. Do you think that just because you are black that you shouldn't have been given a ticket just like any other person??

My brother received a 400$ ticket for not using his blinker. He turned it on, waited a bit and then pulled around a guy to pass him up on a two lane road. He then turned it on again to get back in the lane and it only blinked twice. A cop then wrote him a ticket for failing to blink three times before he changed lanes. Blinking three times in on coming traffic?? That sounds like a death warrant. Anyways, he got this BS ticket when he is white and the cop is white as well.

The moral of the story is that cops are just ass holes in general. Their job was invented to protect citizen's, but it ended up being nothing more than a source of revenue for the city. A lot of the time they themselves think they are above the law as well.. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing cops habitually speed, a cop turn on his lights just so he can speed or get out of traffic via the shoulder, and the general BS stuff they do.

Originally Posted by inabis

Look, I've had a lot of racist shit thrown my way since I was growing up. Sometimes it was from whites, sometimes it was from blacks, a lot of times it was from Arabs and yes I even got it (and still continue to get it) by my own race. From my personal experience there is no racial upheaval. It's always been there. i guess maybe this is the first OPs experience but growing up with it all the time I can say is that racism is here to stay and it's NOT going anywhere. When I was in college we used to have a lot of sensitivity/diversity training (I was an RA) and I was always arguing with these "lets hold hands and sing kumbayaa" people.

My first experience?? O___o
What I'm saying is that there has been more talk about race in the past few months than in a long time.

-Nathan

[out4scrilla]

btw i was dressed in a casual matter a simple t shirt and cargo shorts but i guess that made me look devious right ?

[out4scrilla]

oh yeah he said YOU PEOPLE think you can drive anyway you want

[Expired]

Originally Posted by out4scrilla

btw i was dressed in a casual matter a simple t shirt and cargo shorts but i guess that made me look devious right ?

Could have been the way you looked at her, or your body type??

-Nathan

[Taittinger]

Interesting that the OP would use the term Jap in a title of a thread. Either does not know it is derogatory or does, not sure which is worse.

[Taittinger]

Originally Posted by Los Angeles

Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world.

And America, was fueled by slavery and Racism so it will never die.

That's just the way it is.

Point of fact, slavery existed in many societies and nations long before the US and some after and race is not the issue that it is here.