[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

2008 e93 335i sport 6mt 80k $13k. You were saying?
http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal...5D%5D%5B%5D%5D

Sorry dude, but no one wants a Vert.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Sure you can. We were looking at half a dozen e92 335i for under $13k. 100k miles there abouts. Loaded, some with coral red interiors. Some verts. Go to an e90 and take off 2 grand more. The only difference between sport and msport is anthracite headliner, bumpers, and the steering wheel trim. You can get those installed or ones you prefer over them for $2k and sell off your old parts for a net of a grand in cost. Big whoop. So basically he could have had the same car, in a vert 335i instead of a 328i coupe, plus more options for $2k less. Hmmm

I have an mSport E92. I wanted a Sedan or Coupe, no vert and under 50-60K.

Doesnt exist in that price range

[AWSB328iM]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

2008 e93 335i sport 6mt 80k $13k. You were saying?
http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal...5D%5D%5B%5D%5D

Why do you keep grouping in 335's into my post? I never said I was considering them and personally I don't want to deal with potential increased maintenance costs. You have not shown me a comparable car in mileage, color, transmission, and LCI M-sport spec that matches my car.

I'm not denying they are faster and infinitely easier to mod for hp/tq. We get that you own one and and stand on a pedestal. I'm only 32 and have matured to the point where I don't need to tell people I have 675 hp... you probably have a shmedium shirt that says "got boost?"

You can't get it through your head someone would enjoy a lower horsepower car. I'd rather ring out a spec Miata on a track then try to man handle a 4000lb 675hp 335i CONVERTIBLE sorority girls car, but each to their own.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by AWSB328iM

Why do you keep grouping in 335's into my post? I never said I was considering them and personally I don't want to deal with potential increased maintenance costs. You have not shown me a comparable car in mileage, color, transmission, and LCI M-sport spec that matches my car.

I'm not denying they are faster and infinitely easier to mod for hp/tq. We get that you own one and and stand on a pedestal. I'm only 32 and have matured to the point where I don't need to tell people I have 675 hp... you probably have a shmedium shirt that says "got boost?"

You can't get it through your head someone would enjoy a lower horsepower car. I'd rather ring out a spec Miata on a track then try to man handle a 4000lb 675hp 335i CONVERTIBLE sorority girls car, but each to their own.

Cause there isn't increased maintenance costs, or didn't you know? Same stuff breaks on both cars. Ony difference is the hpfp and turbos which are covered by extended warranty and once replaced don't break.

And actually i have a "sorority girls" car for a reason. 1 I live in florida so top down is nice. And 2 I don't advertise my power. Actually the opposite. I don't like anyone knowing. I also didn't do exhaust etc so it is a sleeper. I'm not driving a track car. Its a daily driver. But I'm curious if you're into performance, at least you claim to be to some extent, why you'd rather have half the power, less oem options, but pay more? I could just as easily have put a coupe up there. And again msport vs sport is a couple bumpers. Lci vs pre in a 328 is really nothing. Tail lights? Can't even say headights but you can angel eyes. Again, easy cheap swaps. Interior is the same. Finally, I don't see 400 lbs to be noticable. Doesn't affect my handling due to mods which would bury an msport or m3 for that matter. And even a stock 335i vert with a $200 tune will bury a full modified 328i coupe power wise.

[Fundguy1]

Here, just to humor you. 2011 328i coupe. 6mt. Similar miles. White with red. Msport. Under $10k. Proper pricing. Anything you have it doesn't can be swapped easy enough for less than the extra $7k you spent. http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal...5D%5D%5B%5D%5D

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by AWSB328iM

A few weeks ago I picked up a 2011 328i Coupe M-Sport 6-speed, 57,000 miles, Alpine white with saddle brown interior. Only options it has are leather seats and HK Logic 7. No sunroof, which I'm fine with.

Paid $16,700 out the door at a Subaru Dealer.

You could of have my car for 18k 2010 335i e90 m sport, fbo jb4/mhd e6o. 44k miles. M3 hood and m3 bumper.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

You could of have my car for 18k 2010 335i e90 m sport, fbo jb4/mhd e6o. 44k miles. M3 hood and m3 bumper.

If you were selling when I was buying, maybe. N55?

Anyhow, Fundguy found 1 Msport (and I'm not sure it really is one) for under 10k in the USA - completely out of state.

[AWSB328iM]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Here, just to humor you. 2011 328i coupe. 6mt. Similar miles. White with red. Msport. Under $10k. Proper pricing. Anything you have it doesn't can be swapped easy enough for less than the extra $7k you spent. http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal...5D%5D%5B%5D%5D

Not a M-sport! I'm beginning to think you are blind. It's got the bumpers, but if you look it doesn't have any of the other M-sport package items. Mileage is 20k+ over mine, ugly stock wheels, major cosmetic issues, no sport seats, horrible after market stereo system. I'm pretty sure the auto check would show an accident especially advertised at that price and probably the reason the bumpers were replaced...

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by AWSB328iM

Not a M-sport! I'm beginning to think you are blind. It's got the bumpers, but if you look it doesn't have any of the other M-sport package items. Mileage is 20k+ over mine, ugly stock wheels, major cosmetic issues, no sport seats, horrible after market stereo system. I'm pretty sure the auto check would show an accident especially advertised at that price and probably the reason the bumpers were replaced...

I saw the seats too, and I'm not on my phone, but you're right.

[Fundguy1]

What do you think the "msport" package is? Its the sport package with different bumpers. Nothing to go wow about. I replaced everything in the package rxcept the seats and the airbag with better aftermarket stuff. I don't see why you put such a premium on it and i don't see why you keep chirping about reliability. The 328i out the factory had 90% of the problems the 335i had. And after the free recal and warranty work is done the reliability is the same. And for $7k you can fix or change anything you like. Fair price on your car maybe $13k and that's being generous. Is your exact combo of options rare? Yes. Does that give it a price premium on the market value? No. My factory option combo is rare too. Doesn't help resale. Options and option packages do very little to resale value. But if you want a specific set of them it just makes it harder to locate. If you value those options the extra 3-4k$ you spent then so be it. But i see oem parts and aftermarket that can be bolted on to do the same thing or better but costing kess after you're done. And it'll never be a classic like a csl or an IS. So there's no point in paying a premium to have thise options in the factory order sheet.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

What do you think the "msport" package is? Its the sport package with different bumpers. Nothing to go wow about. I replaced everything in the package rxcept the seats and the airbag with better aftermarket stuff. I don't see why you put such a premium on it and i don't see why you keep chirping about reliability. The 328i out the factory had 90% of the problems the 335i had. And after the free recal and warranty work is done the reliability is the same.

And for $7k you can fix or change anything you like. Fair price on your car maybe $13k and that's being generous. Is your exact combo of options rare? Yes. Does that give it a price premium on the market value? No. My factory option combo is rare too. Doesn't help resale. Options and option packages do very little to resale value.

But if you want a specific set of them it just makes it harder to locate. If you value those options the extra 3-4k$ you spent then so be it. But i see oem parts and aftermarket that can be bolted on to do the same thing or better but costing kess after you're done. And it'll never be a classic like a csl or an IS. So there's no point in paying a premium to have thise options in the factory order sheet.

My 328i is a Msport - seats, interior trim, including the console, shift knob, interior rocker panels, headliner, and steering wheel are all different. Beyond that, the exterior bumpers and rocker panels are as well.

It's expensive and involved to swap all of that instead of buying the car you wanted in the first place.

Again, he wasn't wrong when he said you can't find an Msport in the configuration he wanted for the price your claiming - it simply doesn't exist.

[iamjamen]

This thread is so entertaining.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

My 328i is a Msport - seats, interior trim, including the console, shift knob, interior rocker panels, headliner, and steering wheel are all different. Beyond that, the exterior bumpers and rocker panels are as well.

It's expensive and involved to swap all of that instead of buying the car you wanted in the first place.

Again, he wasn't wrong when he said you can't find an Msport in the configuration he wanted for the price your claiming - it simply doesn't exist.

Like i said, its an aesthetics package. Seats, steering wheel, are the same. Steering wheel trim has an msport logo. Rockers, logo. Headliner is nice but not a couple grand nice. Console, knob, logos. Bumpers are a swap. The real guts, suspension and wheels, etc, are included in the sport package. I haven't seen any premiums on sport, msport, comfort access, or idrive vs vehickes without. 6mt maybe a grand more cause its rare and hard to change. But still, its over priced. Its a 13k car. Said not only by me, but by multiple others except you.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Like i said, its an aesthetics package. Seats, steering wheel, are the same. Steering wheel trim has an msport logo. Rockers, logo. Headliner is nice but not a couple grand nice. Console, knob, logos. Bumpers are a swap. The real guts, suspension and wheels, etc, are included in the sport package. I haven't seen any premiums on sport, msport, comfort access, or idrive vs vehickes without. 6mt maybe a grand more cause its rare and hard to change. But still, its over priced. Its a 13k car. Said not only by me, but by multiple others except you.

LOL, you're not getting all of that for 3K, and if you are - then it's obvious that Msports do carry a premium over a non Msport.

Oh, and I'm NEVER going back to something without comfort access. But the sports seats are indefinitely better than the base seats, the trim does look better (mine is textured aluminum) and the black headliner sure beats grey.

[Mike.]

thanks for the read

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Mike.

thanks for the read

Your welcome. Its really funny. Guy with no posts asks how he did on buying a car. I and several others say he overpaid. He can't admit maybe he did and first goes defensive, then attacks. I point out several cars that are cheaper and that could easily either be made to the same spec or would cost more to begin with. Axiom sees its the same car as his and its me, as well as others, and decides to be the cavalry. Still doesn't change the fact that he

1 overpaid by a few grand
2 its nothing special, just another 328 to any car salesman, especially at a subaru dealership
3 op stated he bought it because 335i were unreliable which is a laugh since 90% of the repairs are in common and the other 10% were fixed free by bmw
4 op didn't ask us first if it was a good deal. Maybe we could have gotten some bargaining power, the car, and kept a couple grand in his pocket
5 op decided to attack the group he joined for help with his car
6 op stated how grown up he was after doing all the above, not realizing i graduated hs before he was born.

Yeah, its pretty funny. I dont have anything against 328i or original poster. He just asked for our opinion. Don't ask if you may not like the truth. And don't be a baby snowflake about it if you screwed up. Man up. Its only a couple grand, and only a car.

[Taskmaster]

Overpaid so much that you can't find one Msport for the price you claimed they exist at?! Got it.

[Fundguy1]

Kelly blue book has the dealer price at $13,394. 328i msport 6mt 77k miles. You were saying? Maybe you should call them and correct their estimate.

[AWSB328iM]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Kelly blue book has the dealer price at $13,394. 328i msport 6mt 77k miles. You were saying?

57,000 miles

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Kelly blue book has the dealer price at $13,394. 328i msport 6mt 77k miles. You were saying? Maybe you should call them and correct their estimate.

Find one for that price. Market value =/= KBB.

You spent this whole thread trying to prove him wrong that you posted EVERY SINGLE CAR CONFIGURATION BUT WHAT HE WANTED.

'You can buy this base 328i with 100k, non sport and buy all the sports stuff and spend even more than the equivalent model would have cost' - should be the title of your posts.

[AWSB328iM]

KBB is $16,500 for 2011 328i "M-sport" with 57k miles. That's with deductions for a 6-speed manual , no premium package, and no sunroof. So a fully loaded 2011 328i M-sport auto would be $17,700 retail at a dealer.

My main reason was not to get a "pat on the back" but to share with the real enthusiasts of this brand the somewhat of a unicorn Spec I found for a great price IMHO.

I paid $16,700 out the door meaning all dealer fees, taxes, state sales tax (9.75%), and license and registration.

In the future when I sell my car it will fetch a nice amount as a rare car in a great color combination through a magazine like Roundel or a dealer like Enthusiast Auto Group. People won't be interested in a 300k mile 15 year old 335i vert with $25k in mods.

Again you are trying to prove me wrong with inaccurate facts and making yourself look stupid. Keep trying...I've been on car forums for 15+ years, and wrenching on BMWs since I was 8. I always get a laugh when a guy is proven wrong and becomes a keyboard warrior!

Also, it's funny you think I'm a liberal democrat millennial. I'm actually the opposite. I've had a steady 40+ hour a week job since I was 15, paid for my own school, cars (3), housing, and I pack a Walther PPQ 9mm.

[Fundguy1]

Your car isn't "special". Its not a collector's item. Nor is mine. It may be fairly rare, but so would mine be rare. Much more I would think. In 2008 when i ordered mine, there were 3,000+ new "3" series cars on dealer lots. 2,700 328i, 300 335i. Of the 300, 42 were 335i e93. Of the 42, 2 had 6mt. When i did the kbb on it i put in 2011 328i 6mt 77k miles, msport. Popped out as $13,394. 9.75% state sales tax is nuts. Adding in other fees it comes out to mid $15ks. Depending on condition I could see your price being fair but not a bargain.

I'm not worried about resale. I know I'll probably part out at 500k miles. But I got my value out of it. But your original post was what do you think of the deal. With that ridiculous sales tax,fair. Is it going to hold value? No. Might you find someone willing to pay up a grand or two for 6mt and msprt if you keep it in great shape? Probably. But in 3 years it will be a sub 10k car. 5 years sub 8k. Its not an m3. Anything but an m3 is doomed to be a 5k car after 10 years + of this series. And it still doesn't explain why you attacked me and my car. I didn't say i bought mine as an investment. Its not. Its a tool for work. I expect to get nothing back from it monetarily. I expect to get smiles when I punch the gas, to not be embarrassed showing up to a meeting in it in Palm Beach, to be comfortable in it driving for 8 hours a day sometimes, and to get 500k out of it. Doing the math if I got a new car every 100k I'd expect to loose half a car's value each time. My car was $60k new with financing. That works out to $150k with no big power grins. I spent $80k with the grins so I think I made a pretty good deal too. Next car I do this with will probably be a 4 yr old M4. And so on. When I got the car I had money to burn. 8 years of Obama and layoffs now I don't so I'll be flipping used from now on. Do I think you're a liberal? No. Do I think you acted poorly instead of explaining the full transaction 4 pages ago? Attacking me and my car? Getting defensive? Yes.