[LambOfGod]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Somebody put headers on their 335?

Probably meant to say Exhaust Manifold that is oppisite the side of the intake manifold.

Perhaps a 12 Volt fan motor would help.

[ttdmac]

Even if those heat shields don't do anything for temp, at least it'll put some bling under the hood. lol

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by LambOfGod

Someone on the Honda web made the analogy that air traveling into the engine would not be affected so much when the vehicle is up to speed. (Honda connects a coolant line to the intake of the S2000 for some crazy reason and some of the S2000 owners bypass it thinking that it improves HP but probably Not!) Think about it in these terms...when you wash your car on a hot day the cold water from the house purges hot water from the hose (this is nice to fill your bucket) and eventually the Hot water starts to get cold and even though the sun is barreling down on the dark green hose the water is still cold and takes plenty of time to reheat. So I guess that in the thermal dynamics world there would be a benefit to the CIA. Moving nice cool air into the compartment after the car is moving would probably help and improve performance. However, I think some type of compartment would be nice to keep fresh cool air channeled to the proper area of the dual filters. Seems like the heat radiating upward into the filters would take much longer to purge out of the engine bay but it is probably better that the stock configuration. Right?

What you forget is that the water in the hose is not compressed. In fact, in thermodynamics water is treated typically as an incompressible fluid. Air however can and is compressed in an F/I application. That air is then passed through the intercooler, so two features are vastly different then the hose analogy. Basically the intercooler does its job and lowers the air temperature pretty well before entering the intake manifold on this car.

With respect to removing the coolant line, many applications do that on the throttle body. The idea of it is to allow the car to heat up faster, but most people interested in HP could careless about the car warming up quickly. They are more interested in keeping that throttle body as cool as possible and having hot coolant run through it is not the most efficient way to do that.

[LambOfGod]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

What you forget is that the water in the hose is not compressed. In fact, in thermodynamics water is treated typically as an incompressible fluid. Air however can and is compressed in an F/I application. That air is then passed through the inter cooler, so two features are vastly different then the hose analogy. Basically the inter cooler does its job and lowers the air temperature pretty well before entering the intake manifold on this car.

With respect to removing the coolant line, many applications do that on the throttle body. The idea of it is to allow the car to heat up faster, but most people interested in HP could careless about the car warming up quickly. They are more interested in keeping that throttle body as cool as possible and having hot coolant run through it is not the most efficient way to do that.

I see what your saying and I agree that Hot air when compressed gets even hotter. However, the air isn't compressed moving from the atmosphere (other than Gods compression 14.7 psi) into the filter. It only becomes compressed after the turbos so the cooler and denser the air is before it gets to the turbo the better. I understand that water is different than air and the thermal dynamics are different but the analogy still hold true. There has to be a dwell time for the air to heat up. So the million dollar question is whether removing the Air Box helps when the car is moving and how much cool air is getting to the filters? I think some agree that there is a benefit.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by LambOfGod

I see what your saying and I agree that Hot air when compressed gets even hotter. However, the air isn't compressed moving from the atmosphere (other than Gods compression 14.7 psi) into the filter. It only becomes compressed after the turbos so the cooler and denser the air is before it gets to the turbo the better. I understand that water is different than air and the thermal dynamics are different but the analogy still hold true. There has to be a dwell time for the air to heat up. So the million dollar question is whether removing the Air Box helps when the car is moving and how much cool air is getting to the filters? I think some agree that there is a benefit.

Lamb, the IATs have been datalogged using the OBDII port, so what you are saying has been done. The bottom line is not whether hotter air going into the intake matters, the real question what are the IAT's after the intercooler with both intake setups. Since the IATs have been monitored, we know the difference is small.

[LambOfGod]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Lamb, the IATs have been datalogged using the OBDII port, so what you are saying has been done. The bottom line is not whether hotter air going into the intake matters, the real question what are the IAT's after the intercooler with both intake setups. Since the IATs have been monitored, we know the difference is small.

what is IAT's?

I guess I believe that it is better based on what I've read. But it would be even better if someone made an Affordable filter shroud so that more cool air could get to the filters.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by LambOfGod

what is IAT's?

I guess I believe that it is better based on what I've read. But it would be even better if someone made an Affordable filter shroud so that more cool air could get to the filters.

IATs = Intake Air Temperatures.

Here is an example

[Mike07335i]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

you should have it in 2-3 days, they are already shipping

-Rick

Sweet but it does take a few extra days for as Canadian folks as customs likes to do their thing

Mini Edit

I am seriously pissed at you guys.... I ordered at 9:00am EST this morning and it took you until 2:00pm EST to ship. What kinda crap service is this.. Can't believe it, 5 hours to process, pack and ship my order. Lazy bums...

ehheeh.. That is the fastest shipping i think I have ever seen. Great job guys..

Mike

[PeeGoo]

Just wanted to add that BMS service ROCKS!

I have the older single BMS filter and it had developed a rip. I had mentioned it to Terry a few weeks ago. I've been busy and just left the issue idle. Just received an UNSOLICITED e-mail from Terry today asking if I wanted to try the duals, giving me credit for the single. NOW THAT MY FRIENDS IS CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I have one of Rixster's pods, so if this is the level of customer service we're going to get for BMS stuff, then ROCK ON!!!

[Malek@MRF]

Rick, you seem like a really awesome guy so what I am about to say is not directed towards you in ANY way since I know you are trying to be neutral and are helping Terry out. So I do apologize in advance if this post may interfere with anything. If it does, let me know, I will delete it.

What I don't understand about Terry Burger, and I am not sure why MOST people here are not catching on, is his weird marketing tactics. He basically takes another tuner's intake idea, can't sell it because its cheap to make yourself, he comes up with his own inferior intake design and markets it. Argues to the death that his single filter kit is superior to the dual filter setup, which we all should know is not true, and NOW he is selling the dual filter kit?

I simply don't get it. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense and IMO Terry's credibility as a knowledgeable tuner is a bit sketchy.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

Rick, you seem like a really awesome guy so what I am about to say is not directed towards you in ANY way since I know you are trying to be neutral and are helping Terry out. So I do apologize in advance if this post may interfere with anything. If it does, let me know, I will delete it.

What I don't understand about Terry Burger, and I am not sure why MOST people here are not catching on, is his weird marketing tactics. He basically takes another tuner's intake idea, can't sell it because its cheap to make yourself, he comes up with his own inferior intake design and markets it. Argues to the death that his single filter kit is superior to the dual filter setup, which we all should know is not true, and NOW he is selling the dual filter kit?

I simply don't get it. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense and IMO Terry's credibility as a knowledgeable tuner is a bit sketchy.

I don't think the intake issue is a big issue. Shiv has said that he is not in the intake business and was just offering it up to the community. For all that Terry is or isnt, he is an enthusiast and it's good for the owners of our vehicles to have many options to consider. Whether one style is more efficient than the other, its got to be very close performance wise.

In the end, it's up to the customer to do their own due diligence and investgate the feedback and performance of vendors. I have been taken by a vendor on this forum for $400, where I put a deposit down and no product was delivered and the vendor disappeared. Now that is not customer service.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

Rick, you seem like a really awesome guy so what I am about to say is not directed towards you in ANY way since I know you are trying to be neutral and are helping Terry out. So I do apologize in advance if this post may interfere with anything. If it does, let me know, I will delete it.

What I don't understand about Terry Burger, and I am not sure why MOST people here are not catching on, is his weird marketing tactics. He basically takes another tuner's intake idea, can't sell it because its cheap to make yourself, he comes up with his own inferior intake design and markets it. Argues to the death that his single filter kit is superior to the dual filter setup, which we all should know is not true, and NOW he is selling the dual filter kit?

I simply don't get it. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense and IMO Terry's credibility as a knowledgeable tuner is a bit sketchy.

I hate the tuner antics just as much as the next guy... and I also want people to be able to get the best prices on products like this.

Bottom line... this new intake is a great deal!! unless they want to go DIY and save a few bucks.... and we sell the parts for that too

I am just here to provide good customer service, and quality products at FAIR prices.

[jdink]

BMS Intake
http://www.rixeffects.com/store/node/3

BMW Dual Cone
http://www.rixeffects.com/store/node/22

Take a look at the advertised Dyno's! Apparently they put out the EXACT same numbers! A website mistake i'm sure.

On a more serious note, the website says the dual cone is on sale. What is the regular price? Thanks.

edit: fixed by Rick +1

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by jdink

BMS Intake
http://www.rixeffects.com/store/node/3

BMW Dual Cone
http://www.rixeffects.com/store/node/22

Take a look at the advertised Dyno's! Apparently they put out the EXACT same numbers! A website mistake i'm sure.

On a more serious note, the website says the dual cone is on sale. What is the regular price? Thanks.

regular price is $139 on the dual cone. Intro price is $129. This is listed on your link above.

Until terry gives me another filter dyno, thats all I got. if anything, the dual cone will do better than the dyno listed...which is BMS filter. so its on the "safe side".

Thanks for bustin' my chops...

-Rick

[sambonator]

Originally Posted by PeeGoo

Just wanted to add that BMS service ROCKS!

I have the older single BMS filter and it had developed a rip. I had mentioned it to Terry a few weeks ago. I've been busy and just left the issue idle. Just received an UNSOLICITED e-mail from Terry today asking if I wanted to try the duals, giving me credit for the single. NOW THAT MY FRIENDS IS CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I have one of Rixster's pods, so if this is the level of customer service we're going to get for BMS stuff, then ROCK ON!!!

+1 BMS service does rock.

And those complaining that the kits can be made yourself for cheaper... you cannot buy this kind of service for the premium you pay for the BMS products (over DIY).

[jdink]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

regular price is $139 on the dual cone. Intro price is $129. This is listed on your link above.

Until terry gives me another filter dyno, thats all I got. if anything, the dual cone will do better than the dyno listed...which is BMS filter. so its on the "safe side".

Thanks for bustin' my chops...

-Rick

hehe thanks for fixxing that! +1 to RiXst3r's support/timely responses.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by jdink

hehe thanks for fixxing that! +1 to RiXst3r's support/timely responses.

on that note...

"currently the worlds quickest! 0-60 as been timed at 3.5 seconds"
http://www.rixeffects.com/store/node/12

did you hire an NBA Ref to time this?

Your quote is deceiving, you skipped the real part, it was saying that the 1/4 mile is worlds quickest, not the 0-60.

Thats from terry's run on dragtimes, and it is his wording.

Its saying that the 1/4 mile is the worlds quickest, as in this video:

and this list of quarter mile runs, terry is quickest:
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

[jdink]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Your quote is deceiving, you skipped the real part, it was saying that the 1/4 mile is worlds quickest, not the 0-60.

Thats from terry's run on dragtimes, and it is his wording.

Its saying that the 1/4 mile is the worlds quickest, as in this video:

and this list of quarter mile runs, terry is quickest:
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

"Looking for maximum horsepower? 402rwhp / 454rwtq using the JB2HR, Ultimate Racing downpipes, and the BMS filter. This was made through the stock exhaust and stock secondary cats! This map propelled our development 335i to 1/4 mile times of 11.89 @ 114.9mph, currently the worlds quickest! 0-60 as been timed at 3.5 seconds."

Edit: "The 0-60 has been timed at 3.5 seconds using vbox hardware and drag radials."

+1

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by jdink

"Looking for maximum horsepower? 402rwhp / 454rwtq using the JB2HR, Ultimate Racing downpipes, and the BMS filter. This was made through the stock exhaust and stock secondary cats! This map propelled our development 335i to 1/4 mile times of 11.89 @ 114.9mph, currently the worlds quickest! 0-60 as been timed at 3.5 seconds."

Terry is using his 11.89 and 3.5 times to advertise the jb2 and ultimate dp's? No? That to me, is deceiving... unless a set of drag radials are included in the package.

"The 0-60 has been timed at 3.5 seconds w/ drag radials using vbox hardware." might work better?

I will make mention of the drag radials... in Terry's defense, he did not build the product pages, or have anything to do with the development of the store... I did it all... I just stole his wording. I put the results with products that related to them... (similar to what dinan does) I was planning to move all the results and dyno's to a seperate page to avoid confusion.

[RiXst3r]

Anyways... dual cone intake kits...

I still have 6 kits in stock ready to ship.

[f=ma]

quick question, do you ship from Ohio? cause im in CA and when i order from terry, i usually get it the next day.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by Park2670

I wonder if Terry will actually come up with something that Vishnu hasnt come out with? Am I wrong to say that these are EXACTLY the same as what was recently introduced?

yeah it is a lot easier and cheaper to bring out products when you don't need to charge for innovation or R&D, such is capitalism~