[Dmitriy@AUTOcouture]

Originally Posted by eurodriver

Yesterday when i spoke with my service advisor he stated a service tech from BMW North America came out and actually looked into a "black box" that shows what caused the car's engine to blow. Thats what he claims shows that i hit over 8000 RPM's. My service advisor told me I had to take this up with BMW of North America. I called them and they said it was up to thier dealer and service tech. There giving me the run around. My car is a Manuel and i know better then to go from a high gear at a high speed and down shift. I did not do that. i did go from 1st to 2nd and then to third pretty fast but not red lining it. The highest i have probibally ever gone on RPM's in this car is 6000 max; and i really doubt I did that. This car has NO mods and ever since i put the rims on i do not even drive fast. Anyone know of a good auto attorney to fight this matter in Southern California?

Manuel My car is a Stepano.

[shifterboy45]

I wish you luck on getting the center to step up on this one --

the whole issue with the guy from BMWNA coming out does kinda show that the problem may be pretty serious (from their point of view) .. but I have yet to see a case when the "flight data" on these cars have been in error.. (not saying it 100% fool-proof -- but 99.9% of the time a judge see it ..)

if you do get a chance to see the docs related to the incident, it should contain the date, time, vehicle speed, engine rpm and other relevant data ..

to add a note - I'm sure BMW has fought this fight before .. so make sure you have all your duck in a row -- if you take up the fight.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by eurodriver

Yesterday when i spoke with my service advisor he stated a service tech from BMW North America came out and actually looked into a "black box" that shows what caused the car's engine to blow. Thats what he claims shows that i hit over 8000 RPM's. My service advisor told me I had to take this up with BMW of North America. I called them and they said it was up to thier dealer and service tech. There giving me the run around. My car is a Manuel and i know better then to go from a high gear at a high speed and down shift. I did not do that. i did go from 1st to 2nd and then to third pretty fast but not red lining it. The highest i have probibally ever gone on RPM's in this car is 6000 max; and i really doubt I did that. This car has NO mods and ever since i put the rims on i do not even drive fast. Anyone know of a good auto attorney to fight this matter in Southern California?

Please tell us what dealer you went to so we can stay far away from it.

[HPFREAK]

That is crazy. Start looking into a lawyer that will go after them on the basis of contract violation. The contract being the warranty. They will need to prove your car hit 8800rpm with the computer info and prove that it was scanned on your car. I think they are just trying to see if you will cave. Dealers do not like using warranty for big ticket items like this because they do not get paid right away and it is usually a pain for them. Plus I was told they do not make as much money.

[jpsimon]

definitely look in to a lawyer, this is insane..

[TMR]

PLEASE tell what dealer. Dont let them give you the run around. What are the chances of picking the car up and towing it to another dealer?

What " black box " are they talking about anyhow? Tell them to show you where it says that. I know for a fact that they can print it out of the GT1.

[shifterboy45]

the is no real "black box" in the car -- but there is an event logging system incorporated in the DME --

In previous years if misuse/abuse suspected -- the dealer would have to remove the DME and send it to the engineering department of BMWNA or AG -- the engineers would extract the logged data and return the results.

I am gathering the new ISTA/P system is more advanced and allows quicker access to the information...

this is second hand information -- subject to validation

[ianthegreat]

Does the BT tool read/clear this so called "black box" data?

[stimpy]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

If you went to downshift...say from 5th to 3rd and managed to push it into 1st...then the engine WILL go to 8800rpm mechanically. This is known as "the money shift"

Wouldn't that do more than blow the motor - ie trash his clutch and/or flywheel?

[HPFREAK]

Originally Posted by stimpy

Wouldn't that do more than blow the motor - ie trash his clutch and/or flywheel?

the stupid thing is if it really did rev to 8800 then that would mean 1 of 2 things. Either he has a tune or the ECU freaked out and let it go that high or is an improper readin. If that was the case then it is BMW's issue they have to fix.

[Zoeb@WheelDude.com]

Originally Posted by Brad@PSI MOTORS

the stupid thing is if it really did rev to 8800 then that would mean 1 of 2 things. Either he has a tune or the ECU freaked out and let it go that high or is an improper readin. If that was the case then it is BMW's issue they have to fix.

He definitely doesn't have a tune

no exhaust or intake either

no engine mods @ all

[twinturbopg]

which dealer is this? I think it is definitely worth sharing....so we all keep an eye open if we have to take our cars there.

[jopa489]

Considering the OP hasn't posted again, I'm going to consider this flamebait.

[shifterboy45]

if he comes back with some numbers and circumstances -- it would lend more credibility - till there is a little more evidence than the pretty shallow story he pitched -- the jury is out --

8800k on these motors should float a valve and smack a piston -- at least... with 10:1 compression ratio the squish area is pretty tight ...

[SteveMD]

Well we have a board sponsor here who can validate the story.

Do you still think the OP is a troll?

[Metro]

Definitely agree with the idea of not losing your cool when you go into the dealership - will be hard but will probably get you farther in the long run. Someone has mentioned valet parking - if they can provide proof of the over-rev with date I would definitely be cross checking that with where you were - if you had valet'd the car and that is where the over-rev occurred, BMW surely won't cover the warranty, but you might be able to go after the valet service. However, there are usually "use at your own risk" disclaimers on most valet tickets. GL and providing the name of the stealership would be great.

[Zoeb@WheelDude.com]

Originally Posted by jopa489

Considering the OP hasn't posted again, I'm going to consider this flamebait.

he's not a troll, he just doesn't have Internet access at work all the time

like I said earlier, I've known the op for over 20 years and I sure enough have enough credibility here to verify that this is in fact something that's going on

remember, you and I may browse the forums daily but there are a ton of others who only log on once in a while

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Zoeb@WheelDude.com

he's not a troll, he just doesn't have Internet access at work all the time

like I said earlier, I've known the op for over 20 years and I sure enough have enough credibility here to verify that this is in fact something that's going on

remember, you and I may browse the forums daily but there are a ton of others who only log on once in a while

Not in the case of your buddy:

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[GreenPlease]

Tell your dealership BS and tell them that thousands of members on e90post also said BS.

[jpsum]

Originally Posted by GreenPlease

Tell your dealership BS and tell them that thousands of members on e90post also said BS.

they are just going to laugh at the OP.

[Mr. 5]

I'm still waiting to find out what dealer this is.

Crevier?
Sterling?
Pacific?

[eurodriver]

Originally Posted by twinturbopg

which dealer is this? I think it is definitely worth sharing....so we all keep an eye open if we have to take our cars there.

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I actually went to the dealership and spoke with the manager of the Service Dept. He was actually being really cool and we had a normal conversation. I did ask for all the service documentation and tried to find out exactly what was going on. He spoke with someone while I was in his office and now they said the RPM's hit 8161 Exactly(different from what the service advisor told me). Then he stated that the report he got from bmw was written in German. He told me to give him till tommorrow so he can do some research and find out exactly what is going on with the car.

The reason why I am not disclosing which dealership it is just yet is because I am still going through the process. Hopefully with the help I got from this thread I can go back and try to fight it with them and get them to cover this under warranty. However, if they do not work with me on this I will be disclosing exactly what dealership it is.