[**335i**]

Originally Posted by **335i**

well shiv said that for us mt guys we even can use at maps

so for mt guys no need reset adaptations then?

also i that table tach 3 and position 12 just for exsample so its 12=120 km on speedometer

nobody answered this

Originally Posted by v300

Hey Guys;

Is there a thread, link, or instructions in resetting the adaptations on the Procede? Thanks.

did u tryed this http://www.youtube.com/user/shivatvi.../6/KbAMS7TjnY4

[Jason4486]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Please quote me accurately. I said "Not unsafe by any means."



Since the rev.2 Procede has been released, there have been 3 very simple DIY harness updates:

1) adding 2 CAN wires. This enabled all the CAN functionality (in-dash gauges, autotuning, launch control, canclear, adaptation resets, command center, feed forward boost control, etc.)

2) adding another wire for meth flow input. Necessary if you want to run a TRULY safe meth injection setup.

3) removing the o2 modifier wires. Which are now redundant since canclear provides a better solution to cat codes. It also frees up another pair of analog input/output to use at a future date for a new feature. And yes, we do suggest taking 10 seconds out of your day to reset all adaptions after making this change since it does have an effect on lambda learning. This is all done through the Procede's command center dashboard display. No laptop required.

NONE of this stuff is necessary in absolute terms. It's only necessary if you want to run the most up to date features and have the best possible driving/performing car. If that is not your goal, the Procede isn't for you.

Shiv

Sorry for misquoting you Shiv. I reread your post now and I guess I was reading quickly and misread. Thanks for the info.

[Jason4486]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Whoa.....

Really?


There is hardly any problems, and thinking on a large scale the problem rate is under 1%. EASILY! 99.9% of problems are BMW problems or end user problems, Not the tune!

Taking into the assumption any modification to a vehicle would A) Hold the vehicles value higher over time and B) Increase the longevity of a vehicle and C) Have the dealer warranty broken parts is completely irresponsible on your part.

I mean are you serious?! Do you hear yourself?


Last but not least these MINOR changes needed are optional, look into other tunes and see how many times you need to upgrade firmware and maps just to improve driveability or try to even catch up with what the procede offers. (here is a hint they still didnt catch up) and here is another hint, every tune in competition with the procede is ATLEAST 8 months or more behind. Let alone the upgrading costs and other 3rd party hardware needed to still be behind.

I hear myself just fine! I think you are putting words in my mouth... I never made the assumption that any mod would, as you've misquoted me,"A) Hold the vehicles value higher over time and B) Increase the longevity of a vehicle and C) Have the dealer warranty broken parts is completely irresponsible on your part."

I said that any mod would make the vehicle less valuable over time, decrease longevity, and potentially void my warranty. I am not assuming that any mod should or would do the things you've listed as my words. You have completely flipped my words to make it seem like I was stating is the exact opposite of what I actually said. I know very well that any mod would NOT increase value, longevity or guarantee a warranty.

I am well aware of how advanced the procede is comparison to other tunes. I have read nearly every thread regarding tunes on this forum because I want to better educate myself so I know what I am getting myself into if I decide to take the plung and order one. That was not my issue. My issue is even with all of the advancements of the procede over all other tunes, it still seems like there are problems for cars running the unit that have and will result in engine damage or out of warranty work in the long run. Stock cars never seem to have cylinder misfires, except if they need to be changed because of normal wear or on a very rare occasion by fault of BMW. And I have never heard of a stock car "shaking violently", but I have read of such symptoms with JB and Procede cars. Maybe the procede or any tune for that matter is not right for me. BUT i have a right to ask tough questions and due my homework on the subject, even if it seems to you that I am "calling out" Vishnu or asking stupid questions.

Instead of trying to make me feel stupid for my statements, maybe you should grow up and join the adults in civil conversation, like Shiv has done time and time again. I have been witness to countless posts by "uninformed" people like me and he has always graciously provided a rebuttal with useful information that does not demean any potential customers. YOU could learn a thing or two from Shiv!

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by Jason4486

...what assurances can you give potential customers (like me) that this tune will not ... cause my factory warranty to be voided...

Sorry, no disrespect, but how can you be on the forums for over 4 years, have 300 posts, and still not know that tunes can void your warranty if they're discovered by the dealer??? Seriously?

JAWDROP!

[enrita]

all aftermarket parts connected to your engine can void your warranty ... you pay to play.

[v300]

Thanks bro. Here's my next question (anyone). Once I have reset 12 to 3, what is the correct procedure to leave the command center? I did not see it on the video. I am not sure if I reset the ECU correctly; I just removed the key five seconds through the high pitched sound (the sound when your car wakes up).

Originally Posted by **335i**
did u tryed this [url

http://www.youtube.com/user/shivatvishnu#p/u/6/KbAMS7TjnY4

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by v300

Thanks bro. Here's my next question (anyone). Once I have reset 12 to 3, what is the correct procedure to leave the command center? I did not see it on the video. I am not sure if I reset the ECU correctly; I just removed the key five seconds through the high pitched sound (the sound when your car wakes up).

Just starting the engine will exit you from the command center. Or cycling ignition off/on. Easy.

[Jason4486]

Originally Posted by Glowin

Sorry, no disrespect, but how can you be on the forums for over 4 years, have 300 posts, and still not know that tunes can void your warranty if they're discovered by the dealer??? Seriously?

JAWDROP!

That is just an utterly ridiculous assumption to make from what I have posted in this thread. Like you said, I've been on the forum for over 4 years so please give me some credit... You can even look at my previous posts and threads started to see that I know damn well that mods will void the warranty if they are discovered by the dealer. HOWEVER, my main concern is that the dealer can see evidence of a tune even if I remove all of my mods before going on for service. Things that don't happen in the absence of a tune awe clear indicators that a tune has been installed. For example, misfires, shadow codes, and unexplainable CELs and limp modes. I had an SSTT previously and even though I am well aware that the procede in a completely different league, they showed me a print out of their diagnostic computer saying that I had way too much boost and air being pumped out that there was no other explanation to them other than a tune. I was lucky to have a close friend as my SA bit he no longer works there and the procede would undoubtedly cause more boost and air flow! How would I explain that? Forget making the "but procede has code clearing" argument because the problems will remain even when the codes are cleared! News flash people... Tunes can be detected even if all mods are removed prior to service

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by Jason4486

That is just an utterly ridiculous assumption to make from what I have posted in this thread. Like you said, I've been on the forum for over 4 years so please give me some credit... You can even look at my previous posts and threads started to see that I know damn well that mods will void the warranty if they are discovered by the dealer. HOWEVER, my main concern is that the dealer can see evidence of a tune even if I remove all of my mods before going on for service. Things that don't happen in the absence of a tune awe clear indicators that a tune has been installed. For example, misfires, shadow codes, and unexplainable CELs and limp modes. I had an SSTT previously and even though I am well aware that the procede in a completely different league, they showed me a print out of their diagnostic computer saying that I had way too much boost and air being pumped out that there was no other explanation to them other than a tune. I was lucky to have a close friend as my SA bit he no longer works there and the procede would undoubtedly cause more boost and air flow! How would I explain that? Forget making the "but procede has code clearing" argument because the problems will remain even when the codes are cleared! News flash people... Tunes can be detected even if all mods are removed prior to service

So then if you know all that, and know the risks you're getting into, why are you asking even?

[enrita]

Originally Posted by Jason4486

Forget making the "but procede has code clearing" argument because the problems will remain even when the codes are cleared! News flash people... Tunes can be detected even if all mods are removed prior to service

Plain bullshit. if you clear the codes the SA has NO way to know you have/had a tune.
Been there and done that many times in different ways....

[wonsungnabi]

Has anyone with misfiring experienced longer crank at start?

[Jason4486]

[QUOTE=enrita;8400773]

Originally Posted by Jason4486

Forget making the "but procede has code clearing" argument because the problems will remain even when the codes are cleared! News flash people... Tunes can be detected even if all mods are removed prior to service

Plain bullshit. if you clear the codes the SA has NO way to know you have/had a tune.
Been there and done that many times in different ways....[/QUOTE

Says the guy who blew his engine! No offense enrita, I know you are very well respected here but what about all of those who have had their warranties voided because of issues caused by tunes even when they removed all mods. I know for a fact that most of those running tunes that have had their warranty voided never report such info to us on these forums.

[Jason4486]

Originally Posted by Glowin

So then if you know all that, and know the risks you're getting into, why are you asking even?

Because I have seen Shiv and the guys at BMS claim complete diagnostic invisibility for the tunes they market and sell. There has been zero hard proof of this and I was hoping Shiv might explain how this works because not one person has been able to come up with validated facts about the capabilities of a BMW diagnostic computer. If I am wrong about that, please show me and I will admit I was wrong.

[enrita]

[QUOTE=Jason4486;8400833]

Originally Posted by enrita

Plain bullshit. if you clear the codes the SA has NO way to know you have/had a tune.
Been there and done that many times in different ways....[/QUOTE

Says the guy who blew his engine! No offense enrita, I know you are very well respected here but what about all of those who have had their warranties voided because of issues caused by tunes even when they removed all mods. I know for a fact that most of those running tunes that have had their warranty voided never report such info to us on these forums.

like that has something to do with this thread right? How sensitive from you to just throw it out there...
The tune is the least of your issues if you are claiming warranty work on a heavy modified car. Try to remove first the IC and Dps on the side of the road.... You can remove a piggy and clear codes in 10 min.... Again if no codes and hardware installed the SA has no idea if you are tuned or not.
Of course if all the people are like you that take the car in with a tuner code triggered by the SSTT you cannot blame the SA for voiding warranties... (which by the way incurs to fraud...)

[Dr_Dirt]

My Procede came with CANclear enabled, do I need to disable it if I am running stock (other than Procede)?

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by enrita

like that has something to do with this thread right? How sensitive from you to just throw it out there...

I was expecting you to throw a "coglione" in there!

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Just starting the engine will exit you from the command center. Or cycling ignition off/on. Easy.

Shiv, any way to know when the ECU reset is done? How long does it take?

And all the adaptations from what I understand are pretty much instantaneous, right? So one can do them back to back, just bang bang bang?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Glowin

Shiv, any way to know when the ECU reset is done? How long does it take?

And all the adaptations from what I understand are pretty much instantaneous, right? So one can do them back to back, just bang bang bang?

Yep.. they are instant. Just bang them away as fast as your thumb can press the steering wheel/cruise control button

[Glowin]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yep.. they are instant. Just bang them away as fast as your thumb can press the steering wheel/cruise control button

I can see adaptations are instant. But not to be thick, but ECU reset is instant too? Would seem like a bigger deal than a little adaptation reset... Just don't want to interrupt an ECU reset by starting the car or something...

[cuban335i]

Hey guys. Is there a way I can know if my canclear is enabled or not? Or is it always on?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by cuban335i

Hey guys. Is there a way I can know if my canclear is enabled or not? Or is it always on?

By default, it is on. Unless you disabled it in the user adjustable menu. 1=on, 0= off.

Shiv

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Glowin

I can see adaptations are instant. But not to be thick, but ECU reset is instant too? Would seem like a bigger deal than a little adaptation reset... Just don't want to interrupt an ECU reset by starting the car or something...

The ECU reset takes a couple of seconds. You can even hear the electronics in the car cycle for a moment once you pull the trigger. Which is why you do that last.

Just in case it wasn't clear, you should really need to reset adaptions very often. Only after updating your harness, replacing your previous tune or replacing an o2 sensor. It's not suppose to be a daily thing