[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

As I have said before, they have tested a couple diff. versions. One with mufflers, one without. they are the first to put the jig on an exhaust, do you think they just magically were like...hmm this needs a jig lets try it out? no, they saw the need to one and they changed their design accordingly. If you have followed them through the process as I have you would better understand the actual R&D that went into this exhaust.

?????? Hahah. What is the "Jig" you're referring to? You mean the rubber magical drone eliminator?

A jig is a device used to mass produce identical parts in a timely manner.......and EVERY exhaust company uses jigs to produce their system.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

If you gave them a call and spoke with them about their customer service and wealth of knowledge in the BMW world, Im quite positive you would come up with the same conclusion. I have had a chance to speak with the owner and a few of their employees and they seem to be some of the most educated guys in the business. They are very polite to speak with and they always put the customer first. I feel that this is an attribute that is very important when spending this kind of money on such an amazing machine. I know of instances where their parts have failed/broken and were replaced for free. They have a warranty second to none. Their past success and their aspirations to break records and consistently produce some of the fastest and reliable cars in the world is very fascinating to me. Its not for everyone, but I have yet to see another BMW(which is the brand I will drive for the rest of my life) perform quite like their stage 4 m3. To produce numbers that beat cars that cost north of 200k is amazing for the price. Look at this performance...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/prod...o_stg2vbox.asp

That is nothing short of amazing. Look at the prices of those cars compared to what you get from their staged kits.

It's obvious that you are relatively new to the car scene, but still, you shouldn't be making such bloated statements that insinuate you are brainwashed. I can name at least 5 other companies that will provide, behave and serve exactly as you described above. I'm sure other people can name many more too. The point is, just because HPF if treating you and others greatly, doesn't mean they are the ONLY company doing so.

DONT DRINK THE KOOL Aid!

I mean no offense or criticism towards you...you are just making obnoxious and unwarranted claims and are coming across as a brainwashed n00b.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

You're a good kid though no mean to disrespect but there is so much more in life to be passionate about rather than fucking mods that are not even out yet

everybody is entitled to their own tastes. I am passionate about a lot of other things. Dont think I am only about this kit, I am a 2.3 handicapper in golf, i am very passionate about golf. I am studying to get my series 7 and 66 to be a financial advisor to go on top of my insurance business. I have a girl I will likely marry in the near future(which is why I want this done b4 i have other obligations). This HPF is was captivates me the most at the moment. I am learning all about cars and what their limits are, the acoustics of diff. exhausts, no one is the same. But to say that im a kid or that you feel sorry for me is disrespectful to me. You know next to nothing about me, how can you judge someone without knowing more about me...? Just something to consider, I actually am one of the most rounded persons I know. I know a little about a lot, and I also know a lot about a little(cars and golf to be more specific).

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

?????? Hahah. What is the "Jig" you're referring to? You mean the rubber magical drone eliminator?

A jig is a device used to mass produce identical parts in a timely manner.......and EVERY exhaust company uses jigs to produce their system.

This is a jig/flex joint
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/imag...35i_flex_8.jpg

Top right picture. No other exhaust incorporates this to my knowledge.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I know not all of have the means with which to do so, but I think our economy would be a lot better off if more people practiced their spending habits in a similar fashion to the way I do it.

FWIW, couldn't disagree more. If we didn't have such easy access to loans/debt, our economy would be painfully smaller; Debt fuels our economy. ~66% of our GDP is via public debt....roughly 9 trillion of the 14 trillion GDP...if public debt were drastically reduced, you can figure out what the immediate and long term reprocutions would be.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

This is a jig/flex joint
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/imag...35i_flex_8.jpg

Top right picture. No other exhaust incorporates this to my knowledge.

I can't seem to find where they call the flex joint a jig?

[Iwantm3]

Originally Posted by Penn999

everybody is entitled to their own tastes. I am passionate about a lot of other things. Dont think I am only about this kit, I am a 2.3 handicapper in golf, i am very passionate about golf. I am studying to get my series 7 and 66 to be a financial advisor to go on top of my insurance business. I have a girl I will likely marry in the near future(which is why I want this done b4 i have other obligations). This HPF is was captivates me the most at the moment. I am learning all about cars and what their limits are, the acoustics of diff. exhausts, no one is the same. But to say that im a kid or that you feel sorry for me is disrespectful to me. You know next to nothing about me, how can you judge someone without knowing more about me...? Just something to consider, I actually am one of the most rounded persons I know. I know a little about a lot, and I also know a lot about a little(cars and golf to be more specific).

Na you took it the wrong way bro, I said kid because we're the same age so
I meant it in a good way, and when I said i felt sorry I just meant you sounded so obsessed with HPF that everyone already makes fun lol But I never meant to disrespect you in any way, I wish only best to people and never like to talk shit, you just sound like a radical fan lol My bad hope we're cool and you get your single turbo kit on

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

It's obvious that you are relatively new to the car scene, but still, you shouldn't be making such bloated statements that insinuate you are brainwashed. I can name at least 5 other companies that will provide, behave and serve exactly as you described above. I'm sure other people can name many more too. The point is, just because HPF if treating you and others greatly, doesn't mean they are the ONLY company doing so.

DONT DRINK THE KOOL Aid!

I mean no offense or criticism towards you...you are just making obnoxious and unwarranted claims and are coming across as a brainwashed n00b.

Name them, and yes you do sound like a dick. Frankly I dont care what you think, honestly I sense a bit of jealousy/envy in the way you post. I have been in the tuning game since I was 17-18 with my first bmw, the 328is. graduated to the e46 330ci, and now this 335i. You are wrong I have been tuning for 6 or so years, I do admit I am newer to the turbo scene but I am no novice when it comes to tuning fundamentals and the physics behind what I do in regard to modding my car. You can take that shit somewhere else. We will see who is gonna be running the HPF single setup. Dont worry I wont forget to waive as I blow by you... and BTW what obnoxious claims am I making? and how am I brainwashed? back your accusations with fact. you sound like a child when making such claims.

[NiVeDh]

Originally Posted by Penn999

This is a jig/flex joint
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/imag...35i_flex_8.jpg

Top right picture. No other exhaust incorporates this to my knowledge.

So this $35 flex joint that's welded on is what makes these pipes worth $2k?

[Iwantm3]

Yo Penn here's a picture you can jerk off tonight to

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

Na you took it the wrong way bro, I said kid because we're the same age so
I meant it in a good way, and when I said i felt sorry I just meant you sounded so obsessed with HPF that everyone already makes fun lol But I never meant to disrespect you in any way, I wish only best to people and never like to talk shit, you just sound like a radical fan lol My bad hope we're cool and you get your single turbo kit on

I guess I took it the wrong way, we're cool. I am all about HPF bc its the best IMO, and that what I want in my life right now. THE BEST. Everyone's a critic around here I guess. This whole post was supposed to be informative, and to get positive feedback so I could help HPF get this stuff rolling. Next time I will keep it to myself. You guys can do your own damn homework from now on. I felt like I was doing a service to the community. Guess not..

this brian dude seems to think he knows everything, everyone please bow to him .. he knows all the secrets to why people do what the hell they want with their money. If you want inferior performance, by all means brian...go for it. I want the best. Maybe when I go pick up my car after I get the single setup I can run you...we will see who knows what they hell they are talkin about then.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

I can't seem to find where they call the flex joint a jig?

I guess we call it diff. things down here in the south. Call it what you want, you know what the hell I meant. Does another exhaust have one? NO.

Originally Posted by BrianMN

FWIW, couldn't disagree more. If we didn't have such easy access to loans/debt, our economy would be painfully smaller; Debt fuels our economy. ~66% of our GDP is via public debt....roughly 9 trillion of the 14 trillion GDP...if public debt were drastically reduced, you can figure out what the immediate and long term reprocutions would be.

you obviously know nothing about why our economy went to the shitter, people over spending money they never had. Buying second homes on future bonuses that they never got. Default after default...do your hw. dude Im a financial advisor, what do you do? lol

[Iwantm3]

Na man we're all just fucking with you because you're too much lol , the info is deff good and people are excited to hear about it, Thanks =]

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by NiVeDh

So this $35 flex joint that's welded on is what makes these pipes worth $2k?

Now I see why FBIS only does reviews and is as quiet as possible anymore, I guess the more you learn the less you tolerate bullshit comments like the one posted above. For those of you that wish to provide positive feedback feel free to PM, as for these bogus comments, dont waste my time anymore.

[335iseb]

Does HPF need some sort of an advertisement thread? Cause that's what it looks like so far. It is fine that you'll want to fit your entire car with HPF parts but how is that going to help anybody else except HPF getting free publicity. Another thing is about that exhaust.....I believe it's total B.S. that it went through rigorous testing and R&D revisions. If that were true they'd have probably about 20 different dyno charts, revision diagrams, old exhausts that didn't work and everything else that was involved in that process. We get none of that. We got a picture of the exhaust and one video on a car driving in their parking lot (which I assume is the rigorous test part).

They mentioned that they looked at the AMS exhaust as well as others and they said they made improvements (didn't mention on what). Now we are a niche crowd here, we want all that boring information and charts and diagrams, I want to know how this exhaust is better than AMS (not just because it's made by HPF that's not an improvement in my eyes) and I want proof that it works better.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Name them, and yes you do sound like a dick. Frankly I dont care what you think, honestly I sense a bit of jealousy/envy in the way you post. I have been in the tuning game since I was 17-18 with my first bmw, the 328is. graduated to the e46 330ci, and now this 335i. You are wrong I have been tuning for 6 or so years, I do admit I am newer to the turbo scene but I am no novice when it comes to tuning fundamentals and the physics behind what I do in regard to modding my car. You can take that shit somewhere else. We will see who is gonna be running the HPF single setup. Dont worry I wont forget to waive as I blow by you... and BTW what obnoxious claims am I making? and how am I brainwashed? back your accusations with fact. you sound like a child when making such claims.

EVOMS, Lingenfelter, Gintani, ESS, AMS, Renntech,Active Autowerks, AWD, TRM Tuning, Brabus, Hennessy.....The list can go on and on and on and on. All of those companies produce 800-1000hp cars, with the best possible fabrication, stand behind everything and have incredible customer service.

Sorry I came off as a dick, I stated above that I mean no offense or criticism.

We get it...you've told us you'll be getting this HPF single turbo setup. That's awesome. Totally cool. You'll be passing me and every other 400hp N54, and waving out the window as you 'blow by us'. There's no jealousy...as there is no product to be jealous about. Am I envious that you are itching to throw down $2k for a 3.5" exhaust? No, to each his own.. Good for you if that makes you happy, and in 2 years you can hook up the single turbo kit to it.

You don't care what I think, which is good cause I'm just a random internet keyboard jockey...But take this to heart: There's a lot of information out there from which you will benefit by learning it.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

this brian dude seems to think he knows everything, everyone please bow to him .. he knows all the secrets to why people do what the hell they want with their money. If you want inferior performance, by all means brian...go for it. I want the best. Maybe when I go pick up my car after I get the single setup I can run you...we will see who knows what they hell they are talkin about then.

Where am I saying I know better or more than you or anybody? "He knows the secrets to why people do what they do with their money"? What does that even mean? Settle down Penn, All I'm suggesting is to continue doing your research and you'll be surprised at how many other great companies and products are out there.

"If you want inferior performance, by all means brian...go for it. I want the best."

Again, you are implying that if the product (Assuming we are talking about the exhaust) is not HPF, then it is inferior quality. And that sir, is a bloated and all-around poor statement.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by 335iseb

Does HPF need some sort of an advertisement thread? Cause that's what it looks like so far. It is fine that you'll want to fit your entire car with HPF parts but how is that going to help anybody else except HPF getting free publicity. Another thing is about that exhaust.....I believe it's total B.S. that it went through rigorous testing and R&D revisions. If that were true they'd have probably about 20 different dyno charts, revision diagrams, old exhausts that didn't work and everything else that was involved in that process. We get none of that. We got a picture of the exhaust and one video on a car driving in their parking lot (which I assume is the rigorous test part).

They mentioned that they looked at the AMS exhaust as well as others and they said they made improvements (didn't mention on what). Now we are a niche crowd here, we want all that boring information and charts and diagrams, I want to know how this exhaust is better than AMS (not just because it's made by HPF that's not an improvement in my eyes) and I want proof that it works better.

Believe what you want, like I said and HPF said, no one cares what you or any of the other critics think. If you dont know what HPF is and what their standards are, its not for you. Stop wasting your time. Dynos will come soon enough. IF you were up to date at all, this exhaust's volume is very large and will flow really well(minimal bends and no mufflers=very little restriction). Do some searching, there is more than one vid on this exhaust and they dont release numbers cause they dont mean shit really. Everyone says they arent accurate blah blah blah...if you understood physics with relation to turbos you would know that the least amount of back-pressure for turbos=greatest gains. Do some simple geometry and you will find that this exhaust one of the most free flowing if not the most free flowing on the market. It will truly shine when more and more power is added to the car. I will be doing a review as soon as I get the damn thing. Im out, you guys are relentless.

[335iseb]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Believe what you want, like I said and HPF said, no one cares what you or any of the other critics think. If you dont know what HPF is and what their standards are, its not for you. Stop wasting your time. Dynos will come soon enough. IF you were up to date at all, this exhaust's volume is very large and will flow really well(minimal bends and no mufflers=very little restriction). Do some searching, there is more than one vid on this exhaust and they dont release numbers cause they dont mean shit really. Everyone says they arent accurate blah blah blah...if you understood physics with relation to turbos you would know that the least amount of back-pressure for turbos=greatest gains. Do some simple geometry and you will find that this exhaust one of the most free flowing if not the most free flowing on the market. It will truly shine when more and more power is added to the car. I will be doing a review as soon as I get the damn thing. Im out, you guys are relentless.

Nothing but speculation on your part. And don't worry I'm not the one needing education, my knowledge about turbo kits and exhausts spans further than what Corky Bell actually wrote about in his book. This isn't the 1st turbo car I owned and it won't be the last. But I can see where this is going with you....you're going to be the one in the crowd with HPF shit on your car thinking you're better than everybody else.....that's the type of vibe you're giving off anyways.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

EVOMS, Lingenfelter, Gintani, ESS, AMS, Renntech,Active Autowerks, AWD, TRM Tuning, Brabus, Hennessy.....The list can go on and on and on and on. All of those companies produce 800-1000hp cars, with the best possible fabrication, stand behind everything and have incredible customer service.

Sorry I came off as a dick, I stated above that I mean no offense or criticism.

We get it...you've told us you'll be getting this HPF single turbo setup. That's awesome. Totally cool. You'll be passing me and every other 400hp N54, and waving out the window as you 'blow by us'. There's no jealousy...as there is no product to be jealous about. Am I envious that you are itching to throw down $2k for a 3.5" exhaust? No, to each his own.. Good for you if that makes you happy, and in 2 years you can hook up the single turbo kit to it.

You don't care what I think, which is good cause I'm just a random internet keyboard jockey...But take this to heart: There's a lot of information out there from which you will benefit by learning it.

Do any one of those companies above make a BMW north of 800whp? I am speaking with regard to BMW based companies. I know other companies make other cars that make that kind of power. Literally any car can be made to make big numbers. Active, Gintani and ESS make good kits, but HPF good, I dont think so. Also, to my knowledge none of those guys have a 2 or 3 year warranty on all of their parts. This is very hard to match. I would be willing to bet that HPF's m3 would shit on just about all of those cars(that are still street driven). Everyone could stand to learn something(including you), Im not claiming to "know it all," I just know that HPF and BMW are a match made in heaven. Im out bro, Im tired as balls and I have to be at work in 7 hrs. Good debate tho, i enjoyed it, honestly. Thats how I learn the most.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by 335iseb

Nothing but speculation on your part. And don't worry I'm not the one needing education, my knowledge about turbo kits and exhausts spans further than what Corky Bell actually wrote about in his book. This isn't the 1st turbo car I owned and it won't be the last. But I can see where this is going with you....you're going to be the one in the crowd with HPF shit on your car thinking you're better than everybody else.....that's the type of vibe you're giving off anyways.

LOL ur right, thats all I want. How did you know? Everyone I just want to announce that I like to piss my money away to something I know nothing about and all I want to do is brag about it. Thanks for clearing that up...Haha I give up.

[Penn999]

My mistake for posting this. I wont do it again. PM me if you are actually interested in whats going on with HPF and what to expect down the line.

[mycoupe]

Hahaha...this thread is a riot. Just for shits and giggles, I'd like to know how 1 single 3.5 inch pipe flows more than 2 2.5 inch pipes? Just food for thought. Also, this whole deal with HPF's response to people saying, "show us actual numbers and proof of claim" being, "We're an elite company and this exhaust isn't for everyone. If you don't like that, then it's not for you" is not good business. Hell, I'll make you an even better exhaust! How do I know this? because I say so. Just a load of crap really. I think people on here have pretty much given up on HPF honestly. Hope you get what you're looking for though. truly!