[HK_M3]

Originally Posted by razormy

For me, this will be the last BMW that does not have an M badge.

After putting 1300 miles on my 335i Sport Coupe 6mt, here is what I think:

The Bad

1. Very loose at speeds at/above 80 MPH. Over 130, BE VERY CAREFUL!!

2. The CDV (Clutch Delay Valve) SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I shift fast, and when I try to, the clutch slips, serges, and the car smells like ass.

3. NO LSD (Limited Slip Diff.) I can understand that this is no M3 but c'mon, ALL the competition cars in this category have the damn thing. I can't even enjoy a nice starting swing-it sideways type drift.


The Good

When driving normal and not screwing around, it is the best car I have ever owned, even when compared to my other BMW's in the past.

Very quick and much quicker once my Procede comes.



STOP COMPARING TO ANY M CAR UNLESS ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS GOING STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!

Anyone care to comment on how true this is? My girlfriends X3 w/ sport package and the 19" rims is very steady even with speeds up to 110mph......my 335 sedan, sport isn't going to feel the same?!

Doesn't sound right...

-Nate

[bnj]

Originally Posted by HK_M3

Anyone care to comment on how true this is? My girlfriends X3 w/ sport package and the 19" rims is very steady even with speeds up to 110mph......my 335 sedan, sport isn't going to feel the same?!

Doesn't sound right...

-Nate

335i e92 is very stable at high speeds. I'm sure that the sedan is too.

[Red Star Rising]

I have to give the M3 that...

It does seem more confident at high speeds. Not to say the E92 doesn't. But the M3 feels better at those speeds.

Nothing a set of coils cant fix though.

[Simple1]

I've hit the limiter severals times in my 335 sedan, I never felt more confident in it, no wobbles at all. But then again I don't own an m3 (this is my 1st car) so it might not count but again it felt just as solid when I was doing 40,80,120.

[2m3]

THis is an ongoing discussion that will never end, because all love BMW.

I think the discussion get mixed up because every body not speaking within the same scope of the discussion:

- Some posters only care about the numbers 0-60, quarter mile, 36m slalom, straight line drag, street racing, etc.

- Some posters owns 335i as the first BMW car

- Some other posters have experience in racing, track driving, owning numerous cars in the past

- Then there are many posters fall in between the above categories. Nothing wrong about it, BMW benefits from all of us. THe best thing is to have open mind accept the facts, and help each other.

- THe magazine test that shows E46m3 is 4 second faster on the 8-minute track than 335i with run flat tire. Remember, it is a test based on solo run, not racing side by side which start together from pole position. IN real racing, against the result might differ depending on many variables

I owns older M3, but wanting 335i also. I do not think one is better. I look at it as having different clothes and shoes to be used interchangeably. If I feel like having big torque, then I will drive my 335i. IF I go to the high speed track, I will take the M3 with high rev engine. If the track is very low speed and tight corner, I will take the 335i. However, each of us will modify the car to improve any weakness.

Naturally, all of us will modify the car to make it better according to each individual taste and need.

Ok, back to bash the M3 and 335i

[DrM]

Originally Posted by Simple1

I've hit the limiter severals times in my 335 sedan, I never felt more confident in it, no wobbles at all. But then again I don't own an m3 (this is my 1st car) so it might not count but again it felt just as solid when I was doing 40,80,120.

Wait...you live in Queens, it is your first car, and you have hit the top speed several times??? Yikes...

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Simple1

I've hit the limiter severals times in my 335 sedan, I never felt more confident in it, no wobbles at all. But then again I don't own an m3 (this is my 1st car) so it might not count but again it felt just as solid when I was doing 40,80,120.

Not mentioning speedo reading....Felt like I was in my mamas arms.
My M was a drop top so not far to compare..but the M does have a unique feel if you have never spent some seat time in one.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by Corey

If you added $40k in mods to a Kia to match the price of an M3 how do you think THOSE numbers would change?

+1

I could build a Honda Civic for $20k that would outrun almost any stock BMW on most road courses, and possibly even the drag strip. To take it even further, I could build a shifter kart for less than $10,000 that would annihilate a 335i, M3, M6, you name it. Straight line, road course, doesn't matter - there are many shifter karts that can run through a 1000m strip or quarter mile in 10 seconds.

Apples to oranges, you say? Then what of the Infiniti G?

Point being: value is arbitrary. No facet of the 335's performance will change the fact that the M3 is held by many to offer a more enjoyable drive (and they get better and better the farther back you go - the E30 variant being the ultimate expression of what the M3 is supposed to be). Raw performance isn't everything - if it is, you've all bought the wrong car.

Now, imagine how much faster the 335 would be if it didn't weigh as much as the iceberg that sank the Titanic?

[adc]

Point being: value is arbitrary.

+1.

I'd like to add to this that you can get an excellent condition used E46 M3 for around $25-30k, add a $10k AA supercharger to it, and have a car that's cheaper AND faster than a new 335 with Procede and all.


Enjoy your 335s and M3s guys - I know I will enjoy mine soon. But I am positive it won't "dominate" any twisties...

[M3tor2nR]

For those who said their 335i felt stable at high speeds and how it's their first BMW... you'll see why us M3 owners and even those who have 335i's now and M3's in the past say the M3 is more stable at high speeds. It's just more confidence inspiring. And when you do drive both on a track, the same attributes occur. The M3 will feel more like a performer and alot more agile while the 335i is fast enough, but still feel it being more of a luxury coupe than a track inspired car.

But of course... many of you will say with coilovers and other mods, the 335i can be just as good and that is true. You can modify an M3 to become even better than how it is from the factory as well. It will never end once we talk about modifying. Hence we are talkin about STOCK for STOCK. And when it comes to being bone stock... the M3 still outshines the newer Turbo'd 335i.

But simply saying the E46 M3 is done and over with is ridiculous. The NEW E92 M3 won't be readily available for another year or two. And the new kid on the block with TWO TURBO's is still strugglin to fight against the last gen M3. I highly doubt its done and over with. It is still faster than 90% of the cars on the street. It is far from being done and over with.


This BMW civil war is getting ridiculous. Let's just leave it as stock for stock, the M3 is better. And even guys with 335i's AND M3's will tell you this. Unbiased of us all. Now once modifying goes, the edge goes to the 335i. That's pretty clear. Now let's both enjoy modding our BMW's and school on other manufacturers like Mercedes and Infinitis.:rocks:

[HK_M3]

Originally Posted by M3tor2nR

For those who said their 335i felt stable at high speeds and how it's their first BMW... you'll see why us M3 owners and even those who have 335i's now and M3's in the past say the M3 is more stable at high speeds. It's just more confidence inspiring. And when you do drive both on a track, the same attributes occur. The M3 will feel more like a performer and alot more agile while the 335i is fast enough, but still feel it being more of a luxury coupe than a track inspired car.

But of course... many of you will say with coilovers and other mods, the 335i can be just as good and that is true. You can modify an M3 to become even better than how it is from the factory as well. It will never end once we talk about modifying. Hence we are talkin about STOCK for STOCK. And when it comes to being bone stock... the M3 still outshines the newer Turbo'd 335i.

But simply saying the E46 M3 is done and over with is ridiculous. The NEW E92 M3 won't be readily available for another year or two. And the new kid on the block with TWO TURBO's is still strugglin to fight against the last gen M3. I highly doubt its done and over with. It is still faster than 90% of the cars on the street. It is far from being done and over with.


This BMW civil war is getting ridiculous. Let's just leave it as stock for stock, the M3 is better. And even guys with 335i's AND M3's will tell you this. Unbiased of us all. Now once modifying goes, the edge goes to the 335i. That's pretty clear. Now let's both enjoy modding our BMW's and school on other manufacturers like Mercedes and Infinitis.:rocks:

I have owned a '95 M3 and an '03 M3. I felt they were very stable at high speed. I also feel the same way about my girlfriends X3, with the Sport Package. Time will tell....no point in arguing about it. I will also say that my '95 M3 felt -way- more connected to the road then the '03. Same with the E92...numb in comparison.

-Nate

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by M3tor2nR

For those who said their 335i felt stable at high speeds and how it's their first BMW... you'll see why us M3 owners and even those who have 335i's now and M3's in the past say the M3 is more stable at high speeds. It's just more confidence inspiring. And when you do drive both on a track, the same attributes occur. The M3 will feel more like a performer and alot more agile while the 335i is fast enough, but still feel it being more of a luxury coupe than a track inspired car.

But of course... many of you will say with coilovers and other mods, the 335i can be just as good and that is true. You can modify an M3 to become even better than how it is from the factory as well. It will never end once we talk about modifying. Hence we are talkin about STOCK for STOCK. And when it comes to being bone stock... the M3 still outshines the newer Turbo'd 335i.

But simply saying the E46 M3 is done and over with is ridiculous. The NEW E92 M3 won't be readily available for another year or two. And the new kid on the block with TWO TURBO's is still strugglin to fight against the last gen M3. I highly doubt its done and over with. It is still faster than 90% of the cars on the street. It is far from being done and over with.


This BMW civil war is getting ridiculous. Let's just leave it as stock for stock, the M3 is better. And even guys with 335i's AND M3's will tell you this. Unbiased of us all. Now once modifying goes, the edge goes to the 335i. That's pretty clear. Now let's both enjoy modding our BMW's and school on other manufacturers like Mercedes and Infinitis.:rocks:

+1, well put for most of it.

Lap times though point out that subjective "feel" and actual ability on the track are 2 different things. Reminds me of my road racing days, when my Ducati 996 SP felt better than my SS legal race GSXR600 with similar power and thus I rode it through back roads faster (training rides you know ), but my actual race lap times were lower on the GSXR.

Although I will agree with BMW pulling it from their website and say the e46 M3 is over and done with

As for the title of this thread, since when does about equal equate to dominate?

[335boosted2Dmax]

I said dominates for a 3 series, never said it dominates an M3, for a sedan and non sports car, it pretty much is a great car, especially if you are considering Modding the car to any degree, cough cough coilovers!!

[Jonmartin]

lol this thread is making me laugh now..

[Simple1]

Originally Posted by DrM

Wait...you live in Queens, it is your first car, and you have hit the top speed several times??? Yikes...

Well I never hit the limiter in Queens, too many pothholes I'll probably would have died a while ago if I did that there.