[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

Oh, ok they were just references. In any case, do you have a link to the TT/Procede video? I never saw that.

here you go

Procede vs TT runs

[WilyB]

Vendors war keep the end user informed and the price low. Plus both Shiv and Omar have a good sense of humor, so we end user enjoy the show.
Eugen from Switzerland raises, as usual from him, some very interesting questions, to which AA says: “We ground the box sufficiently” which does not address Eugen’s question, and Shiv appears to say this "might" be a problem.

I’ll grab a pack of popcorn, a nice cold glass of Chardonnay and wait the next firefight!

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Driver72

1/8th mile tracks stink...they don't tell you much, other than who got the better launch.

No way, except in extreme cases (like if someone lets off, cuts a 2.6 60', etc) I can tell you the 1/4 mile time within .1th if you give me the 1/8th mile time and make/model of car.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

here you go

Procede vs TT runs

Bah, MT vs. AT tells us nothing. I can't tell if the TT is slower because he isn't good at launches or if the lack of lowend on the TT is true. Looks pretty damn even from a roll though with the PROcede being ever so slightly faster.

Also, it appears we have a nice battle of the tuners shaping up, good luck and keep it clean gentlemen. Battle squirrel salutes you.

[jon@themshop]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

here you go

Procede vs TT runs

Nice high quality video!

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

here you go

Procede vs TT runs

That was a really good video. Definitely shoot the procede vs xede one the same way, you could actually see what was going on which is usually pretty rare. From seeing that video, I now see why people like the turbo tuner so much for the price. With that said, I would never put one on my own car. I'm looking forward to seeing your next video.

On a side note... I would also like to see a procede vs procede or an xede vs xede video where one car is a MT (with a driver that knows how to drive ) and the other is an AT just to see if there is any difference.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

You assume way too much sir. We have sold a good amount of boxes and I doubt we will ever have such a backlog. The main issue is harnesses and we have the manpower to have them made, and as you read above they are made carefully and without the use of black tape

Are you counting all the XEDE boxes sold to your distributors and other retail outlets (b/c I see other E90Post.com vendors selling your units as well) or just XEDE boxes sold to actual 335i end-user customers?

And, just so you know, I am not knocking the XEDE as I was one of Shiv's XEDE beta testers here in S. FL and enjoyed that unit for 4 months...I had no problems with it and it gave me +57WHP and +92 lb.-ft. RWTQ!!

With that said, had your company came to market with the XEDE before or at the same time as Shiv and Vishnu Tuning, I would've absolutely been interested in your product. However, history cannot be undone and Vishnu Performance currently has the greatest marketshare with the PROcede for many reasons, including the fact that Shiv began testing the XEDE on the BMW 335i on Sept. 1, 2006, the first day the 335i arrived at BMW dealers and he bought one. At that point, Shiv already had ~ 3 years experience working/tuning with the XEDE for EVOs and Sti's. His XEDE piggyback unit was well-known in the Subie and Mitsu tuning world.

In addition, he has been here with us sharing everything and improving upon his product for us...we were all involved from day 1. Yes, it's his company to which he is profiting from the sales of the PROcede, but he did all of this b/c he wanted to produce the best possible product for the 335i.

There is something to be learned from all of this, and that is why some ppl are continuing to give "other" 335i performance tuners a difficult time. Shiv and Vishnu Performance have earned our respect. Where have all of you "other" guys been? To many, it seems like you "other" tuners just picked up the "XEDE ball" after Shiv dropped it; there's been no other evidence to the contrary.

As I understand it, your company, AA, is a well respected BMW performance tuning company based here in S. FL and I'm fairly certain you put out a great XEDE performance package. However, when not so much as a peep is heard from your company until long after the XEDE has come and gone from Shiv's hands and is now in your hands (as well as other companies) do we all here about "your" awesome performance tuning for the 335i. Then, we learn that it's the very same XEDE unit that Shiv began testing with and installing in our 335i's more than 5 months ago!!! I believe that all of this has consequences for your company, specifically some ppl on this Forum losing some respect for your organization. That's not to say your XEDE won't sell...it obviously will and you'll make some $$, but the Vishnu PROcede is also a great product that is still developing into an even better product.

Had AA been here on this Forum several months ago like Shiv, getting all of us excited about your 335i tuning project, guys like me (especially guys like me who are local here in S. FL) would've absolutely jumped onto the "AA XEDE" bandwagon and the situation may have been in the reverse. Live and learn.

[Terry335]

It's OK to say you're staying with Shiv because he was here first and you like his style, but that doesn't mean his product is better. AA and others are putting out great products now, most of which are priced lower and are more readily available. Just do your own research and don't get too caught up in forum hype.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

don't get too caught up in forum hype.

Hype, marketing, puffery - call it what you want. Everyone who wants to sell you something engages in it. Is that a surprise to anyone?

[Jean@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Are you counting all the XEDE boxes sold to your distributors and other retail outlets (b/c I see other E90Post.com vendors selling your units as well) or just XEDE boxes sold to actual 335i end-user customers?

And, just so you know, I am not knocking the XEDE as I was one of Shiv's XEDE beta testers here in S. FL and enjoyed that unit for 4 months...I had no problems with it and it gave me +57WHP and +92 lb.-ft. RWTQ!!

With that said, had your company came to market with the XEDE before or at the same time as Shiv and Vishnu Tuning, I would've absolutely been interested in your product. However, history cannot be undone and Vishnu Performance currently has the greatest marketshare with the PROcede for many reasons, including the fact that Shiv began testing the XEDE on the BMW 335i on Sept. 1, 2006, the first day the 335i arrived at BMW dealers and he bought one. At that point, Shiv already had ~ 3 years experience working/tuning with the XEDE for EVOs and Sti's. His XEDE piggyback unit was well-known in the Subie and Mitsu tuning world.

In addition, he has been here with us sharing everything and improving upon his product for us...we were all involved from day 1. Yes, it's his company to which he is profiting from the sales of the PROcede, but he did all of this b/c he wanted to produce the best possible product for the 335i.

There is something to be learned from all of this, and that is why some ppl are continuing to give "other" 335i performance tuners a difficult time. Shiv and Vishnu Performance have earned our respect. Where have all of you "other" guys been? To many, it seems like you "other" tuners just picked up the "XEDE ball" after Shiv dropped it; there's been no other evidence to the contrary.

As I understand it, your company, AA, is a well respected BMW performance tuning company based here in S. FL and I'm fairly certain you put out a great XEDE performance package. However, when not so much as a peep is heard from your company until long after the XEDE has come and gone from Shiv's hands and is now in your hands (as well as other companies) do we all here about "your" awesome performance tuning for the 335i. Then, we learn that it's the very same XEDE unit that Shiv began testing with and installing in our 335i's more than 5 months ago!!! I believe that all of this has consequences for your company, specifically some ppl on this Forum losing some respect for your organization. That's not to say your XEDE won't sell...it obviously will and you'll make some $$, but the Vishnu PROcede is also a great product that is still developing into an even better product.

Had AA been here on this Forum several months ago like Shiv, getting all of us excited about your 335i tuning project, guys like me (especially guys like me who are local here in S. FL) would've absolutely jumped onto the "AA XEDE" bandwagon and the situation may have been in the reverse. Live and learn.

Please post facts when making certain points. Opinions are welcome and great but should be clarified so everyone can differentiate.

However there is a comon stigma or beleif that Vishnu is the only company that can implement a piggy back system to a vehicle...

Our products have spoken for them selves countless times before, including "our tuning". From the E36 era to the E46 era and now the E90/E92's.

It has been publicly stated that it was not Vishnu who dropped Xede, but vice versa due to several reasons that Shiv has even admitted to.

We take pride in our products and thank members for recognizing certain things even if its just "a harness".

Vishnu briught out an option first and should be congratulated, which im sure he has. Please understand that we would have dont this sooner or later, and we are doing it the way we feel is correct.

Every thread with an Active Autowerke title or topic, has been indirectly bashed by Shiv.

We have all been intimidated at some point or the other but there are better ways to handle competition.

Yes we picked up the Xede ball and took over, the difference is we are honest about what we use and have made the system better in our eyes and so far our customers have been satisfied.

You made a comment about Shiv selling Xede for the other model cars. I think its wise we leave the evo guys and sti guys out of this but trust me tuning an xede or using it as a piggy back unit is nothing 100's of other tuners cannot do and I dont think there is anyway you can start to compare his understanding of tuning a BMW compared to ours regardless of what piggyback system or tuning method is used.

p.s. This is just a mixture of thoughts.. we can create another thread if we are going to continue off topic.

[Ninjaneer]

Guys, I'm getting tired of eating popcorn

[Fabster]

Being a current TT user, I've been following these threads trying to compare the Procede vs. the AA Xede and do the upgrade to either unit. I spoke to Mike at AA yesterday and he told me the AA Xede unit is not setup to be updated by the end user. AA prefers the unit to be sent in for any map or firmware changes. To ease this process, they have a harness setup to facilitate the easy removal of the unit. Based on that information, I would prefer to spend a little more $$ to minimize the down time and not wait for the unit to be returned back to me. Unless of course, AA decides to provide that same flexible update capability to their unit as Vishnu has with the Procede.

[musc]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Are you counting all the XEDE boxes sold to your distributors and other retail outlets (b/c I see other E90Post.com vendors selling your units as well) or just XEDE boxes sold to actual 335i end-user customers?

And, just so you know, I am not knocking the XEDE as I was one of Shiv's XEDE beta testers here in S. FL and enjoyed that unit for 4 months...I had no problems with it and it gave me +57WHP and +92 lb.-ft. RWTQ!!

With that said, had your company came to market with the XEDE before or at the same time as Shiv and Vishnu Tuning, I would've absolutely been interested in your product. However, history cannot be undone and Vishnu Performance currently has the greatest marketshare with the PROcede for many reasons, including the fact that Shiv began testing the XEDE on the BMW 335i on Sept. 1, 2006, the first day the 335i arrived at BMW dealers and he bought one. At that point, Shiv already had ~ 3 years experience working/tuning with the XEDE for EVOs and Sti's. His XEDE piggyback unit was well-known in the Subie and Mitsu tuning world.

In addition, he has been here with us sharing everything and improving upon his product for us...we were all involved from day 1. Yes, it's his company to which he is profiting from the sales of the PROcede, but he did all of this b/c he wanted to produce the best possible product for the 335i.

There is something to be learned from all of this, and that is why some ppl are continuing to give "other" 335i performance tuners a difficult time. Shiv and Vishnu Performance have earned our respect. Where have all of you "other" guys been? To many, it seems like you "other" tuners just picked up the "XEDE ball" after Shiv dropped it; there's been no other evidence to the contrary.

As I understand it, your company, AA, is a well respected BMW performance tuning company based here in S. FL and I'm fairly certain you put out a great XEDE performance package. However, when not so much as a peep is heard from your company until long after the XEDE has come and gone from Shiv's hands and is now in your hands (as well as other companies) do we all here about "your" awesome performance tuning for the 335i. Then, we learn that it's the very same XEDE unit that Shiv began testing with and installing in our 335i's more than 5 months ago!!! I believe that all of this has consequences for your company, specifically some ppl on this Forum losing some respect for your organization. That's not to say your XEDE won't sell...it obviously will and you'll make some $$, but the Vishnu PROcede is also a great product that is still developing into an even better product.

Had AA been here on this Forum several months ago like Shiv, getting all of us excited about your 335i tuning project, guys like me (especially guys like me who are local here in S. FL) would've absolutely jumped onto the "AA XEDE" bandwagon and the situation may have been in the reverse. Live and learn.

Seems like there is a lot of bashing of both products in posts over the past few weeks. I think its safe to say that regardless of what platform AA chose to use, they would have some sort of tuner package for the 335i. They may have used an Xede box, but I would venture to say they did their own trial/error testing and mapping in house. No one but AA knows how long they were testing products for the 335i. Just because they didn't detail their beta testing on the forum, doesn't mean that it didn't occur a while back. AA releases the product when its ready. With the exception of rflows early track data, you just have to wait for the product to come out. I am sure there were other beta testers, albeit they weren't on the forum posting.

As for Vishnu, I think it was rather important for them to outline the beta testing on the forum as they did. Why? Because it introduced Vishnu to the BMW world. That's was an important step, and obviously it built trust, and now the Vishnu name is well known in the 335i tuner world. As far AA, would it have been nice to see the beta testing? Sure, but not really necessary IMO. AA and BMW go together like butter and biscuits. I have owned their products in the past, and they certainly have a well established reputation for tuning BMWs. I was fully confident they would have a piggyback or flash out for the 335i. I'd buy it based on previous experience and confidence in their tuning, without having to see any beta testing. Furthermore, I have been impressed with Vishnu's product and would also buy a PROcede based on what I have seen.

Vishnu and AA both have great products. Hopefully the bashing will stop and people just choose what they feel is right for them.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

Please post facts when making certain points. Opinions are welcome and great but should be clarified so everyone can differentiate.

However there is a comon stigma or beleif that Vishnu is the only company that can implement a piggy back system to a vehicle...

Our products have spoken for them selves countless times before, including "our tuning". From the E36 era to the E46 era and now the E90/E92's.

It has been publicly stated that it was not Vishnu who dropped Xede, but vice versa due to several reasons that Shiv has even admitted to.

We take pride in our products and thank members for recognizing certain things even if its just "a harness".

Vishnu briught out an option first and should be congratulated, which im sure he has. Please understand that we would have dont this sooner or later, and we are doing it the way we feel is correct.

Every thread with an Active Autowerke title or topic, has been indirectly bashed by Shiv.

We have all been intimidated at some point or the other but there are better ways to handle competition.

Yes we picked up the Xede ball and took over, the difference is we are honest about what we use and have made the system better in our eyes and so far our customers have been satisfied.

You made a comment about Shiv selling Xede for the other model cars. I think its wise we leave the evo guys and sti guys out of this but trust me tuning an xede or using it as a piggy back unit is nothing 100's of other tuners cannot do and I dont think there is anyway you can start to compare his understanding of tuning a BMW compared to ours regardless of what piggyback system or tuning method is used.

p.s. This is just a mixture of thoughts.. we can create another thread if we are going to continue off topic.

Don't get pissed at us just b/c you guys lost business b/c you weren't first to market, and as far as the XEDE goes, I remember quite clearly that the Australian company that mfgr's the XEDE said they didn't even know Shiv had dropped the XEDE until they were alerted to this from postings on this Forum...that's when they joined this Forum and began discussions on E90Post.com. They also said that had hoped Shiv would continue to distribute the XEDE, but also assured us that "other" U.S. distributors were in line. Again, like I said b4, I am NOT knocking your XEDE s/w tuning for the 335i; in fact, having experience with the XEDE (and knowing that AA has improved upon Shiv's version), I'm sure the AA XEDE is a great product and excellent performance tuning solution for the 335i. It's just you guys are off to a late start and need to play catch up; I agree there's no need to bash or lash out at others (especially those potential customers you're trying to win over).

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Fabster

Being a current TT user, I've been following these threads trying to compare the Procede vs. the AA Xede and do the upgrade to either unit. I spoke to Mike at AA yesterday and he told me the AA Xede unit is not setup to be updated by the end user. AA prefers the unit to be sent in for any map or firmware changes. To ease this process, they have a harness setup to facilitate the easy removal of the unit. Based on that information, I would prefer to spend a little more $$ to minimize the down time and not wait for the unit to be returned back to me. Unless of course, AA decides to provide that same flexible update capability to their unit as Vishnu has with the Procede.

Hmm the Xede software is available for download on Xede's website. They would just have to email people the maps and we could use the Xede software to update the device.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by catm3

Seems like there is a lot of bashing of both products in posts over the past few weeks. I think its safe to say that regardless of what platform AA chose to use, they would have some sort of tuner package for the 335i. They may have used an Xede box, but I would venture to say they did their own trial/error testing and mapping in house. No one but AA knows how long they were testing products for the 335i. Just because they didn't detail their beta testing on the forum, doesn't mean that it didn't occur a while back. AA releases the product when its ready. With the exception of rflows early track data, you just have to wait for the product to come out. I am sure there were other beta testers, albeit they weren't on the forum posting.

As for Vishnu, I think it was rather important for them to outline the beta testing on the forum as they did. Why? Because it introduced Vishnu to the BMW world. That's was an important step, and obviously it built trust, and now the Vishnu name is well known in the 335i tuner world. As far AA, would it have been nice to see the beta testing? Sure, but not really necessary IMO. AA and BMW go together like butter and biscuits. I have owned their products in the past, and they certainly have a well established reputation for tuning BMWs. I was fully confident they would have a piggyback or flash out for the 335i. I'd buy it based on previous experience and confidence in their tuning, without having to see any beta testing. Furthermore, I have been impressed with Vishnu's product and would also buy a PROcede based on what I have seen.

Vishnu and AA both have great products. Hopefully the bashing will stop and people just choose what they feel is right for them.

+1. Well said. Thanks.

[Dustin Bramell]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

P
Every thread with an Active Autowerke title or topic, has been indirectly bashed by Shiv.

I don't believe Shiv has said anything in this thread. Just a simple "+1" of sorts for someone who articulated why we choose to go with a hardwire ground. I know it is rough to have someone disagree with the philosophy you came up with (well at least it can be in our case), but it doesn't always mean they are 100% wrong in doing so. In the end, the results speak for them selves, and in our case we are more than happy to let our product, and our customers do the talking.

Have a good day, all!

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu

I don't believe Shiv has said anything in this thread. Just a simple "+1" of sorts for someone who articulated why we choose to go with a hardwire ground. I know it is rough to have someone disagree with the philosophy you came up with (well at least it can be in our case), but it doesn't always mean they are 100% wrong in doing so. In the end, the results speak for them selves, and in our case we are more than happy to let our product, and our customers do the talking.

Have a good day, all!

Hes your Boss. Good post Dustin.

[Fartpimpson]

[Dustin Bramell]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

Hes your Boss.

Wouldn't work for anyone else.

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Don't get pissed at us just b/c you guys lost business b/c you weren't first to market, and as far as the XEDE goes, I remember quite clearly that the Australian company that mfgr's the XEDE said they didn't even know Shiv had dropped the XEDE until they were alerted to this from postings on this Forum...that's when they joined this Forum and began discussions on E90Post.com. They also said that had hoped Shiv would continue to distribute the XEDE, but also assured us that "other" U.S. distributors were in line. Again, like I said b4, I am NOT knocking your XEDE s/w tuning for the 335i; in fact, having experience with the XEDE (and knowing that AA has improved upon Shiv's version), I'm sure the AA XEDE is a great product and excellent performance tuning solution for the 335i. It's just you guys are off to a late start and need to play catch up; I agree there's no need to bash or lash out at others (especially those potential customers you're trying to win over).

Thanks for the kind words. I know Shiv made you all believe the Xede was his and the Procede was his but they both belong to Two different Australian Based Companies. Your english is also a bit misleading..... we did not improve upon "Shiv's version" we actually have a whole new version that actually has nothing to do with his. We have made minor changes in the piggy back implementation for your 335 and I think its safe to say this is based our better understanding of a BMW ECU and a better understanding of tuning all together and that is the truth.

We will continue to let our products speak for themselves and we will try our best not to LIE or MISLEAD anyone.

Now everyone leave your computers for a couple hours and go drive your procede or aa/xede equipped cars and enjoy them.

[WilyB]

Now might be the perfect occasion for Omar to explain why the Xede grounding is “adequate” and Shiv to explain why “it is a concern”?