E90Post
 


The Tire Rack
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > Walnut shell blasting VS chemical clean... Opinions



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-15-2012, 06:18 PM   #45
Juiced46
Major
81
Rep
1,035
Posts

Drives: 03 Turbo Cobra, 2011 335xi
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Wallingford CT

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sA x sKy View Post
Please explain..I've read the opposite.
What you read is wrong and a myth from people that do not understand how meth works and they are just assuming this because they are spraying a liquid into the intake


Meth has a flashpoint of around 50-60* F, by the time it hits the back of the valves it has already been vaporized, it is not in liquid form by that time. Its not going to clean jack shit

Tell you what, to further prove my point. I will offer a valve cleaning service to anyone in the CT area that has been running meth religiously and has never had a valve cleaning done, but the car needs to have some miles on it. I will offer it at a discounted rate from what I usually charge and I will take pics of what the intake valves look like after running meth. I will guarantee, they will not be clean and there will be a shit ton of build up on it.
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2012, 06:20 PM   #46
sA x sKy
Sameet
sA x sKy's Avatar
Bangladesh
752
Rep
2,541
Posts

Drives: AY/B M4 '15
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Long Island, New York

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2015 BMW M4  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juiced46 View Post
What you read is wrong and a myth from people that do not understand how meth works and they are just assuming this because they are spraying a liquid into the intake


Meth has a flashpoint of around 50-60* F, by the time it hits the back of the valves it has already been vaporized, it is not in liquid form by that time. Its not going to clean jack shit

Tell you what, to further prove my point. I will offer a valve cleaning service to anyone in the CT area that has been running meth religiously and has never had a valve cleaning done, but the car needs to have some miles on it. I will offer it at a discounted rate from what I usually charge and I will take pics of what the intake valves look like after running meth. I will guarantee, they will not be clean and there will be a shit ton of build up on it.
Wow..that's an eye opener. So 30K is the general time the valves should get cleaned?
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2012, 06:21 PM   #47
Juiced46
Major
81
Rep
1,035
Posts

Drives: 03 Turbo Cobra, 2011 335xi
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Wallingford CT

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2turbodinan View Post
I live in CA and am due for a valve clean. I was quoted 215 for the cleaning and I'm sure it's not steamed, or is it?
For $215, they arent removing the intake and walnut blasting for sure.
Appreciate 0
      03-15-2012, 06:58 PM   #48
rooringhusky
Objects in the mirror are losing
rooringhusky's Avatar
United_States
107
Rep
1,133
Posts

Drives: 2007 BMW 335i E92 AW/CR 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Socal (OC/Riverside)

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2007 BMW 335i  [10.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juiced46
Quote:
Originally Posted by sA x sKy View Post
Please explain..I've read the opposite.
What you read is wrong and a myth from people that do not understand how meth works and they are just assuming this because they are spraying a liquid into the intake


Meth has a flashpoint of around 50-60* F, by the time it hits the back of the valves it has already been vaporized, it is not in liquid form by that time. Its not going to clean jack shit

Tell you what, to further prove my point. I will offer a valve cleaning service to anyone in the CT area that has been running meth religiously and has never had a valve cleaning done, but the car needs to have some miles on it. I will offer it at a discounted rate from what I usually charge and I will take pics of what the intake valves look like after running meth. I will guarantee, they will not be clean and there will be a shit ton of build up on it.
This...!

Vas is also right that Meth does not relieve the need for intake valve cleaning..

Everyone must do it WITH or without meth...it is a byproduct of the newer Direct Injection systems in our cars..
__________________
PERFORMANCE: JB4 G5 \ Backend Flash \ DCI \ BMS Downpipes \ CX FMIC \ ER Chargepipe \ Synapse BOV \ KW V2 \ Muffler Delete \ CDV \ ZHP Shifter \ Cyba Scoops
FUN: M3 Front \ Mtech Rear \ JL 10W6 \ ModMyNav \ V1 Hardwired \ LUX H8 \ Gloss Black Trim \ Gloss Black Roof \ Cyba Quads \ Cyba Mtech Diffuser
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2012, 04:02 PM   #49
waterp7
Second Lieutenant
United_States
9
Rep
266
Posts

Drives: '07 E90 335i
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: L.A. , CA

iTrader: (1)

Where can you get a walnut blasting of the intake valves in So Cali?
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 02:47 AM   #50
eduardomi
Lieutenant
United_States
73
Rep
406
Posts

Drives: 2012 e93 M3 Jerez Black
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Florida

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by waterp7 View Post
Where can you get a walnut blasting of the intake valves in So Cali?
+1
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 03:04 AM   #51
DMA
Major
DMA's Avatar
United_States
237
Rep
1,341
Posts

Drives: 16 F80 M3~09 E92M3~03 E46M3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Coconut Creek, Fl

iTrader: (7)

I used carburator cleaner and brake cleaner let them soak in the carburator cleaner like 30-60min depending on the severity then used gun cleaning brushes I got at Walmart sprayed some brake cleaner while scrubbing bent the brushes to get the backs they came out squeaky clean and they were full of gunk. It took long time from just letting the chemicals sit. IMHO i dont see the need to walnut blast but it would have probably been easier and faster. I thought it was a fairly easy process to DIY, Downpipes were 1000% worse to DIY.
__________________

IG:@DMAGARAGE - 2003 E46 M3 | 2009 E92 M3 | 2016 F80 M3
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 04:55 AM   #52
slowSwede
Lieutenant
Sweden
22
Rep
549
Posts

Drives: 335 coupe
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Skåne

iTrader: (0)

Does anyone know how coarse/fine the grain they use to clean the valves is?
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 12:09 PM   #53
Todd135i
Private First Class
United_States
8
Rep
128
Posts

Drives: 08 135i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Indiana

iTrader: (3)

I recently experimented with walnut blasting, chemical and soda blasting. Soda blasting was by far the best of the 3, in my opinion.

I'm planning on doing a write-up when I get some time. I also made a plate to keep everything in the port so the engine stays clean.
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 12:32 PM   #54
stressdoc
Moderator
stressdoc's Avatar
Dominica
659
Rep
10,865
Posts

Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Waco TX

iTrader: (0)

Walnut shell blasting at my dealer -- huge improvement

Got my intake system blasted a month ago. Fantastic results, great price to boot. For anyone in Missouri or close states with >50k miles I would jump on this opportunity.
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 12:38 PM   #55
achien
AC
Canada
95
Rep
2,387
Posts

Drives: E90 Post Members Crazy
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

The BMW dealer had my car cleaned without using the walnut blaster.

They basically soak the intake valves in chemicals and hand-scrubbed it.

My car had the "engine light" problem before 50k km, so this translates close to a little more than 30k miles.

Quote:
Originally Posted by apkraven View Post
my car is in the service, valve cover cracked , m3 differential install and such on. my guys tell me they won't be able to blast clean the valves , but they are going to brush some strong chemical solution and scrub it off, anyways i guess when the intake manifold is disassembled, it will make no difference between such work and blasting.. i can go and take a look at what solution they use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdawg20001 View Post
I recently called a local dealership in NJ to check prices on the intake cleaning and walnut shell blasting and was informed that the service is no longer offered.

They stated that BMW had came out with a new way of cleaning the valves through a chemical process that the car burned off. They said this service was $150 and may need to be repeated multiple times depending on the buildup.

I asked the rep which service he preferred or thought did the best job and he said he hasn't actually been able to visually inspect any cars after the chemical process so he couldn't comment either way.

What do you guys think about this?
Should I give it a try or look for a dealership who still performs the walnut shell blasting?

I'm not convinced this chemical service would be as effective and with no visual inspection to confirm we are basically left with how the car "feels" for results...
__________________
Your Supreme Leader
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 12:56 PM   #56
secretsquirrel
Colonel
secretsquirrel's Avatar
196
Rep
2,344
Posts

Drives: f80
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Far North Dallas

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stressdoc View Post
Got my intake system blasted a month ago. Fantastic results, great price to boot. For anyone in Missouri or close states with >50k miles I would jump on this opportunity.
Did you get it done as preventive maintenance or were you attempting to correct an engine issue (such as rougher than a "new car" idle). Do you notice a
difference?
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 06:05 PM   #57
slowSwede
Lieutenant
Sweden
22
Rep
549
Posts

Drives: 335 coupe
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Skåne

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd135i View Post
I recently experimented with walnut blasting, chemical and soda blasting. Soda blasting was by far the best of the 3, in my opinion.

I'm planning on doing a write-up when I get some time. I also made a plate to keep everything in the port so the engine stays clean.
Soda blasting seems lika a good way after reading about it, cheap as well.
I guess I'll have to buy some and try it.
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 06:49 PM   #58
Todd135i
Private First Class
United_States
8
Rep
128
Posts

Drives: 08 135i
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Indiana

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowSwede
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd135i View Post
I recently experimented with walnut blasting, chemical and soda blasting. Soda blasting was by far the best of the 3, in my opinion.

I'm planning on doing a write-up when I get some time. I also made a plate to keep everything in the port so the engine stays clean.
Soda blasting seems lika a good way after reading about it, cheap as well.
I guess I'll have to buy some and try it.
I bought my blasted at harbor freight. The lexan plate I made has a hole for my shop vac and another for the soda blaster nozzle. So it's sucking out the junk as I rotate the nozzle around. The walnut blaster nozzle can't reach where my soda blasted can.
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 06:58 PM   #59
smellfish
No one on the corner has stagger like us
55
Rep
342
Posts

Drives: '11 AW E90
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: COS

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juiced46 View Post
What you read is wrong and a myth from people that do not understand how meth works and they are just assuming this because they are spraying a liquid into the intake


Meth has a flashpoint of around 50-60* F, by the time it hits the back of the valves it has already been vaporized, it is not in liquid form by that time. Its not going to clean jack shit

Tell you what, to further prove my point. I will offer a valve cleaning service to anyone in the CT area that has been running meth religiously and has never had a valve cleaning done, but the car needs to have some miles on it. I will offer it at a discounted rate from what I usually charge and I will take pics of what the intake valves look like after running meth. I will guarantee, they will not be clean and there will be a shit ton of build up on it.
How about 78k with no prior cleaning and nearly 10k miles of running M1?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 08:16 PM   #60
MilehighM3
Brigadier General
MilehighM3's Avatar
United_States
923
Rep
3,460
Posts

Drives: Harrop E90 M3
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Colorado Springs

iTrader: (14)

Garage List
2009 E90 M3  [6.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by smellfish
How about 78k with no prior cleaning and nearly 10k miles of running M1?
Yours will have a ton of build up. That's for sure...
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 09:45 PM   #61
Laid Black 335i
BMW
Laid Black 335i's Avatar
United_States
72
Rep
974
Posts

Drives: 2007 BMW 335i (6MT)
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: MD

iTrader: (7)

Does anyone know what the part # is for the intake manifold gasket(s)?
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-11-2012, 10:34 PM   #62
The Ghost
Reborn
The Ghost's Avatar
United_States
89
Rep
1,217
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: USA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rader1 View Post
I do intake port cleaning on large bore diesels at work almost every week and I can honestly say that diesel fuel and a pressure washer works GREAT. I don't think it's a viable option on the N54 due to not being able to close the valves on all the cylinders at the same time but it does work.
You can do a cylinder at a time (or any of the cylinders at TDC). You soak them in diesel and powerwash with water? How long do you soak them?
Appreciate 0
      04-18-2012, 12:10 PM   #63
Blubaron79
Brigadier General
Blubaron79's Avatar
United_States
1444
Rep
4,728
Posts

Drives: 2021 M340i xDrive
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PA

iTrader: (0)

I am getting my intakes cleaned with chemical cleaner tomorrow. Car gets dropped off tonight. I'll let you know if or how it works.

They are also doing in for free. :-)
__________________
Current: 2021 M340i xDrive

Previous: '18 340i xDrive; '15 335 xDrive; '14 435i xDrive; '09 335 E92 xDrive
Appreciate 0
      04-18-2012, 12:25 PM   #64
georgelb
nsomneeak
georgelb's Avatar
United_States
39
Rep
501
Posts

Drives: E92 RB 335i
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DFW, TX

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2007 335i  [8.00]
I had mine done yesterday, with walnut media. I'm not sure what grain he used, but it was done by Thread Killer here on the boards, so you could message him and ask. The before picture is at 83k miles with no prior cleaning, aside from about 3 cans of sea foam.

When I took it in the idle was pretty bumpy; and now it is just stupid solid...you can't even really tell the car is running.

Here's a couple of pictures he shot for me (click for full-size.)



Appreciate 0
      04-18-2012, 01:34 PM   #65
335(EX)(EYE)
Banned
United_States
52
Rep
1,497
Posts

Drives: e90 n54 & n55 / e46 330ci DD
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Harrisburg PA

iTrader: (14)

blast it
Appreciate 0
      04-18-2012, 01:35 PM   #66
335(EX)(EYE)
Banned
United_States
52
Rep
1,497
Posts

Drives: e90 n54 & n55 / e46 330ci DD
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Harrisburg PA

iTrader: (14)

the above job is EXCELLENT
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:47 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST