[Lankster]

That color choice on your car is gorgeous

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

Not the prettiest weld. Any logs?

These were rushed ahead of the production sets for test purposes. Then again, each one is pressure tested up to 40 psi. All that pretty nonsense doesn't show once it's installed.

Logs will be up in the next few days. Our shop 335 is being put back to stock due to us recently picking up an E92 M3 to continue development, but we have a local 335 that is willing to do some testing for us.

Originally Posted by normano

Tiago, I don't blame you for defending your product. You're a business man.

Knock off or not, you cannot say there's no or little similarities with the HPF intercooler.

I wasn't talking about an eBay brand intercooler. I was talking about a Godspeed V-mount intercooler, that I happened to find on eBay.

If you want to impress people, post a data log, iat comparison, and flow chart comparison between;


-an HPF intercooler
-your intercooler




To make it interesting, and to prove my point for me (since I no longer have the data logs of my Godspeed intercooler), include the "inferior eBay" Godspeed v-mount intercooler in your comparison.


Your intercooler would have to be MUCH better than HPF's to stand a chance against the Godspeed unit, for wgdc, iat reduction, and overall datalog analysis.



Please, (attempt to) prove me wrong.

So you want me to purchase two other intercoolers and then spend the time comparing all three? Just to prove you wrong? Someone sounds a bit entitled. While I'll be glad to take the time to run logs from our own brand, I'm not going to spend the time and money to put together such testing just to prove a point. Even if we did do that testing, how credible would it be? We're clearly a biased party and it would be silly for any customer to actually believe a "brand a vs b vs c" comparison is actually a viable way of testing intercoolers when brand a, b or c is the one doing the testing.

I never said we didn't have similar features to the HPF. I said this wasn't a HPF clone as you previously stated. Starting rumors before a product isn't even released can tend to be a problem which requires a defensive stance. The HPF uses the radiator tabs that double as a secondary support tab and we saw that it was a great idea so we incorporated it into our design as well. We use a cast radiused end tank for better flow, so do they. AMS and a few other brands do to. If we released ours first, would they have copied us?

I'm not here to argue, Mo spent a good amount of time putting this thread together for those who are interested in the intercooler and bickering will just de-rail the thread all together. If you'd like to continue this, we can take it to PM's.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by ETS Michael

Sub'd. =\

I personally thought it was an HPF intercooler, I was looking for the VRSF intercooler. The tabs are pretty much identical along with the end tanks.

Michael

Thought you were still a forum sponsor on here Michael, what happened?

[335okc]

slightly off topic, OP, what kind of lift do i see in that garage? i'm researching lifts lol.

[ETS Michael]

Originally Posted by Tiago@VRSF

Thought you were still a forum sponsor on here Michael, what happened?

Autopay owned.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by normano

One point, then I'm done. You said in an earlier post that your shop had or has several other bmw n54 intercoolers from other vendors to compare. You shouldn't have to purchase any intercoolers to post comparisons now, should you?

We didn't own them, they were customers who at one point during the development made their way into the shop. The only intercooler we purchased was a used AMS for a customer which we installed on their car.

Again, PM's please.

[dfv2]

what a spiteful community e90 is, wow. Tiago releases a great, new, cheap fmic option and you guys are roasting him? I don't know why intercoolers invite SO much skepticism and over-analysis as a mod option, the only people that should be worried about the minutia are competitive track goers (which some of you are) and guys from the future making actual HP on upgraded twins and stock piping.

Compare to a shiv thread where he posts about making 410whp through a stock ic, not a single damn care in the world about that power level with respect to stock ic heatsoak, flow, the way the plastic tanks wrap around the beveled aluminum edge at 5PM on sundays. And yes, it's relavant because we're buying upgraded fmic's to combat IAT creep while making as much power as possible... right?

[Diggy Diggy]

Originally Posted by Motastic

Looks aggressive with this huge fmic!

[Projekt_BooGie]

correct me if I'm wrong...and maybe someone has said this....but ANY FMIC is better then stock....so whether this is a $400 fmic or a $1500 fmic....its still doing better then stock. A lot of people keep asking for data log, etc... accordingly only a few have been release for testing, data logging, and personal reviews. I'm sure when he release these he'll have the information a lot of you are asking for. But until then it'll be respectful to let these release first see reviews then judge.

Besides as all of you know...someone can test this in Colorado with better number then someone in Florida. And someone can test a BIG TOM in Arizona and get better results then someone in Hawaii. Everyone knows there are to many variables in testing. I"m just saying.

[Tranic335i]

Originally Posted by dfv2

what a spiteful community e90 is, wow. Tiago releases a great, new, cheap fmic option and you guys are roasting him? I don't know why intercoolers invite SO much skepticism and over-analysis as a mod option, the only people that should be worried about the minutia are competitive track goers (which some of you are) and guys from the future making actual HP on upgraded twins and stock piping.

Compare to a shiv thread where he posts about making 410whp through a stock ic, not a single damn care in the world about that power level with respect to stock ic heatsoak, flow, the way the plastic tanks wrap around the beveled aluminum edge at 5PM on sundays. And yes, it's relavant because we're buying upgraded fmic's to combat IAT creep while making as much power as possible... right?

So true! I think it's mostly people trying to justify their purchase.

[drfrink24]

Lets face it, there really aren't many groundbreaking designs that are possible here, and to design an IC just to be different (but not more effective) is wasteful. Had they come out with BT style, they'd be slammed for copying BT, stepped core = Helix, 5" square = ETS and others, the list goes on and on... their logs will show how effective their choice was.

On a side note: I'm currently developing an intercooler that uses lasers and superconductors to cool the intake charge to near absolute zero.

[Motastic]

honestly guys i am a little disappointed after reading this thread because the fact that the bashing starts. The issue that I see alot over here and correct me if I am wrong but the intercooler is being released which is a 7" and is more than likely cheaper than an alternative 5" that some people have bought. It might piss the other off, but its just the game of the market.

I am happy with my IC and honestly it has made a difference on the BUTT dyno, will not even lie. I feel more of a "push back" than I did after putting on DP's. VRSF just came out to give us a better, cheaper, and just as reliable option as the opposing $1500 IC out there.

everyone keeps complaining and bitching about log's so what I will for the community over the weekend is install the stock IC's (as long as I know it will work with the coupler's that I have the VRSF installed on, which i dont think should be a problem) and do some logging. I know VRSF will come out with their's soon when the official IC is released but as an independent customer, i will do this. I am not doing this to defense anyone nor to pick sides but i just hate how people can pass judgement by looking at something and doing this.

I made this thread to show people how awesome it looked, felt while driving, and simple the install was. I have seen some 7" IC that you literally have to cut so much. I spent 30 min's cutting (well a buddy that helped me install it). Getting the stock coupler's off took longer than putting the intercooler in.

To be honest with you before VRSF, never thought about getting DP's because of the price, now I have them. Same with IC and when the exhaust comes out, i will do the same. It is giving an everyday person an option to mod their car without spending 1000's...and before everyone starts about how if I can afford a BMW than I should be able to afford quality parts either bash, you dont know me and nor you know what I can afford or cannot afford. So please keep that to yourself. In my eye's VRSF is just as good if not better than the competition. and again I will reiterate, i am not affiliated with them nor am I an employee.


///end rant

[J3NGOe90]

so much are they going to be!

[onesuperboi]

Originally Posted by normano

My point is, this intercooler, and any other ones, along with other mods that vendors push in this section, should be scrutinized. Why take a company at face value? Do you only read bmw marketing material, or do you read reviews, analysis, commentary, etc on 3rd party websites?

Why treat a $400 purchase any differently? If we just believed all vendors, no matter what, this platform would be quite different.

It's your money, spend how you like. I'm just interested in truth rather than marketing spin.

You are spending your first few posts on bashing of this intercooler?

I'm thankful there is another competitor and another person offering an intercooler.

And in the end, ANY aftermarket intercooler is better than stock. So

[iBoost]

Mods should delete the bashing in this thread just like they do for other vendors.. You guys have some respect.

[TunedM2C]

This will be my next purchase as long as it fits my 1M. Thanks for the review!

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by Tiago@VRSF

Our shop 335 is being put back to stock due to us recently picking up an E92 M3 to continue development, but we have a local 335 that is willing to do some testing for us.

VRSF is getting into the E9x M3 market?!? What you guys working on for that?? Exhaust System, Headers, maybe a Supercharger Kit??

Originally Posted by dfv2

what a spiteful community e90 is, wow. Tiago releases a great, new, cheap fmic option and you guys are roasting him? I don't know why intercoolers invite SO much skepticism and over-analysis as a mod option, the only people that should be worried about the minutia are competitive track goers (which some of you are) and guys from the future making actual HP on upgraded twins and stock piping.

Compare to a shiv thread where he posts about making 410whp through a stock ic, not a single damn care in the world about that power level with respect to stock ic heatsoak, flow, the way the plastic tanks wrap around the beveled aluminum edge at 5PM on sundays. And yes, it's relavant because we're buying upgraded fmic's to combat IAT creep while making as much power as possible... right?

Originally Posted by Motastic

I am happy with my IC and honestly it has made a difference on the BUTT dyno, will not even lie. I feel more of a "push back" than I did after putting on DP's. VRSF just came out to give us a better, cheaper, and just as reliable option as the opposing $1500 IC out there.

everyone keeps complaining and bitching about log's so what I will for the community over the weekend is install the stock IC's (as long as I know it will work with the coupler's that I have the VRSF installed on, which i dont think should be a problem) and do some logging. I know VRSF will come out with their's soon when the official IC is released but as an independent customer, i will do this. I am not doing this to defense anyone nor to pick sides but i just hate how people can pass judgement by looking at something and doing this.

I made this thread to show people how awesome it looked, felt while driving, and simple the install was. I have seen some 7" IC that you literally have to cut so much. I spent 30 min's cutting (well a buddy that helped me install it). Getting the stock coupler's off took longer than

Like any intelligent consumer, people want to see credible data that the VRSF Intercooler can hold its own. Is the pricing attractive? ABSOLUTELY, but I wouldn't spend $25 on any core that can't prove it works. Once everyone sees data that illustrates it works just as well as the established market alternatives (AA, AMS, ETS, ER, Helix, BT, CX Racing, etc) then people will know that they're making a smart purchase.

And comparing it to the VRSF DPs is apples to oranges. At the end of the day, all it takes for a DP is the dimensions, angles & 3" piping welded together. There's no where NEAR as much science going into a DP when compared to a FMIC (flow characteristics, pressure drops, heatsoak/cooling efficency). IMO, after software-related mods (tunes & meth management), an FMIC requires the 2nd most amount of R&D to make sure it works as it's advertised.

As for the Shiv/Vishnu thread you're referencing, the point of that thread was to illustrate the gains that are possible with running just a tune, intake & E85. It wasn't about mods or anything, it was about how much of an impact running corn juice can have on your performance #s

[Simple5]

If its under 500 bucks shipped then VRSF has my money. If it isnt then I will take my money elsewhere (hyped up by the CX as a cheap offering but was let down by the 600 (570+tax in CA) bucks price and no I dont want to do the 300 dollar DIY) . Like another guy said, anything is better than stock!!!

[Tiago@VRSF]

Definitely going to be less than $500 and anyone who's purchased our DP's will qualify for an additional discount as well!

[gaifaun]

good work tiago, I don't know why so many people are bashing. On the one hand I see people complain about "BMW Tax" all the time but now they suggest otherwise.... This is a new product, give it time for people to data log and conduct other various test. Releasing new products are never easy as it takes time to build credibility espeically if people don't think you're AMS, Spearco, ETS and what not.

[dfv2]

Originally Posted by benzy89

As for the Shiv/Vishnu thread you're referencing, the point of that thread was to illustrate the gains that are possible with running just a tune, intake & E85. It wasn't about mods or anything, it was about how much of an impact running corn juice can have on your performance #s

You're a smart long-winded guy, you can do better! I'm pointing out how brand-stratified people become while chasing the same goal; more reliable power. The point of his thread was to push his piggie by inferring 400 wheel was available to near-stock vehicles. I didn't see a single request for qualifying data in that thread other than for logs which were half delivered on. Remember what you call this forum on BB now...

VRSF has a solid rep in mature platforms (DSM namely) and I'd buy this core sight-unseen based on it's price and their rep alone. Not that my opinion matters but heck, hope it helps offset the mob mentality.

[dfv2]

Originally Posted by normano

interesting fact about intercoolers:

if they're too ineficient, the turbo's work overtime to keep up with the dme boost targets. over-working your turbo's across a year or two span will kill them MUCH quicker than with a stock intercooler. so, no, not all intercoolers are better than stock.

Quoted for posterity, my dear god.