[sa8901]

Originally Posted by Railgun

I love some of the answers here.

I have test driven a few MS6s and also owned a 6s (those that don't know, it's the V6). Very fun car to drive and handled well. IMO, Mazda makes some very capable handling cars. Lay off the BMW kool aid for a min. At 60k+ miles the thing rattled less than my 335 does with 11k. It was a very solid feeling car. Look at a lot of the reviews when the 6 came out and you'll see how many were referencing/comparing it to the 3 series (at the time) in terms of build quality, performance, etc. There are objective opinions that need to be made as well as subjective.

I wonder...of those who knock these have ever owned any of them? The MS6 could have used some more thought into it...but again, I've only test driven them.

To blanketly say that Mazda cars are crap are obviously oblivious to the cars that they make. Same goes for those "$70k for a Nissan?" Gimme a break. I for one haven't forgotten what I've driven in the past. Just 'cause I own a bimmer doesn't make me a pompous ass.

I suppose I'll give an answer here...

So I'd still go with the 335. Not for some of the rediculous answers here (unless you're 18).

Performance?

Other than the FD RX-7, and possibly the Mazdaspeed Miata, turbo's aren't really going to do it for Mazda. The MS6 is too heavy in that respect to really be that focused in performance. Something on the order of 400+# heavier than the 6s.

Styling?

I do like the styling of the Mazda. Though the wheels gotta go. This is a draw in my book.

Interior design?

The MS6 has too much "I look like I should be expensive, but can't pull it off" plastic. I was a bigger fan of the original interiors of the 6. The 335 is more driver's oriented. Simple controls that blend well. I just wish they didn't use green LEDs for some of the indicators (I'm REALLY picky on interior design since that's what you stare at more than not).

Features?

Take it or leave it for me. Do I need to know that there's the potential for ice at 37 degrees? iDrive is nice...perhaps it's not as good as other's, but for those that haven't experienced those, it's great and it just works. But why independant control of the A/C when no one's there?????

Price?

You have to take the above into consideration. Is it worth it to you? Yes, you're paying a premium but overall, you are getting a better car. But again, you ARE paying for the name as well so...take it with a grain of salt. Do I care that there is no cost scheduled maint? No. I'd do most of it myself anyway.

So that's as unbiased as I can get. Yeah...it's for the 335...but holy crap...with some thought behind it. It's little things that others may not care about...perhaps some do. To each their own.

That was a good long and honest answer. Don't get me wrong I love the 335I I'm actually waiting to hear back from BMW Financial Services on weather or not I am approved or not. But my speed6 has factory 274hp and 280tq and AWD. I manage to get the car down the 1/4 mile 13.9@99mph stock and with a cai and test pipe to 13.4@101mph granted not near the trap speed as the 335i. I just wanted to try something new. I have test driven 3 different 335i's both coupe and sedan both manual and auto. I didn't like that it doesn't come factory with a 6cd changer built in and no auto dim mirror as my car does come with it and a 7 speakers bose system. Which by the way I wanted to ask does any one know what the standard stereo system in the 335i comes with? how many speakers, watts, and what company? Right now I know that i'm more powerful and faster than that of a stock 335i but stock for stock the 335i overpowers the speed6. So the speed6 isn't a shitty car it's not the best it's not a bmw but it's a great car. Both comfort and convenience.

[fedinand]

I traded in a Mazdaspeed6 for the 335(s). I think alot of Mazdaspeed6 owners have made the switch or are contemplating it - there was a Speed6 on the dealer lot from a recent trade it when I bought the 335xi. It is quite obvious most of the posters here know nothing about the Speed6 and even less have driven one for any amount of time. The Mazdaspeed6 may be one of the most under rated cars out on the market now..they are sneaky fast stock and are very mod friendly. Having said that, the fact I now own two 335's probably tells which one I prefer. If you can handle the payment, you will not be disappointed with the 335.

I liked the looks of the Speed6 except for the rear fascia/fake exhaust..I like the looks of the 335 better - there isn't a bad view to it (yes even w/ the sedan for all the sedan haters).

The interior is a huge upgrade to the Mazda in every way. I thought the Bose system sounded good in the Mazda, but the Logic 7 sounds better...more of a full and complete sound especially in the sedan. I hear what you are saying about the cd changer, but I don't miss it at all due to the ipod interface. I have IDrive and am suprized to say I really like it, and it makes using the ipod very easy. The navigation is also better. I did miss the aluminum pedals, but that was an easy fix w/ the BMW aluminum pedals (easy install). The sport seats are very good - much better than in the Speed6. I know this is just a small thing, but it always bugged me that the Speed6 did not have a trip computer/mileage/miles to empty display - this is not an issue w/ the 335. The only disadvantage may be in the size of the interior as the Mazda is bigger and roomier.

The driving experience is where you will get hooked...understeer no more. Even with the 335xi, you can feel the rear wheel bias - it is much more neutral feeling (the 335i is even more so). The car never feels like its working hard. The Mazdaspeed was one of the best turbo engines in having very little lag...which is amazing for being a 4 cylinder (actually felt less laggy than my old STI). Driving the 335 makes the Mazdaspeed 6 actually feel laggy...amazing what happens when you have a different frame of reference. The 335 has a better ride in my opinion than the Speed6 did - even with the sport package, it just isn't as harsh as the Speed6, but handles better.

Looks like you modify your cars - I know one of the things that disappointed me about the Speed6 was the lack of aftermarket - the Speed3 just came out and has many more options than the Speed6. The aftermarket for the 335 is so much larger - and looks to get larger almost on a daily basis. There are many options w/ engine management and that alone elevates the 335 to hero car status. I had a full turbo-back exhaust w/ after market intercooler and CAI on my Speed6 so it was modded pretty similar to what you have and I know they can be made to be very fast. I have a friend who has a the Procede V2 and got a ride in it and got to drive it..with that single mod only - it was so much faster than the Speed ever was - no turbo swaps neccesary to get low into the 12s (and that is w/out awd).

The 335s have had some issues w/ the fuel pump, sort of like the Speed6s have w/ the rear diff. I have yet to her of anyone blowing a motor on the 335 whereas, it seems that is getting a bit more frequent on the Mazda boards. I was lucky in having a great dealer for the Mazda, but have read many horror stories about horrible dealers and service on Mazda forums. I have also read some horror stories about BMW dealers and service also, but would say not nearly to the level I have read on the Mazda forums. The Mazdaspeed6 is a great car and an even better value. I think the 335 is worth the price difference. Good luck in your decision.

[bts]

Originally Posted by sa8901

Hey guys I'm new to here as you can see and I just wanted to get some input in comparison to these 2 great cars. Like which would most rather, driver friendly, performance, etc.

After reading through this thread ... the only thing I want to ask. Were there as many votes for BMW on the Mazda boards as for Mazda on this poll?

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by NaTuReB0Y

here's a good answer.............

that seem biased against the BMW to me. I am still wating for a non biased answer.

[fedinand]

Originally Posted by Railgun

And mine wasn't?

I thought it was.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by Railgun

And mine wasn't?

Yours was a very unbiased answer but look back and you will see Naturboy quotes a biased answer (of course against the BMW) after he ask for a non biased one. This is what really makes no sense to em. He was not loking for a non biased answer he was looking for an answer to bash the BMW. He has a 330i but really seems to hate BMW unless he is being sarcastic. I for one try to look at both sides and do think the Mazda has a lot to offer. He sems to really hate his car and I dont understand why he does not just sell it and get a car he likes. I will try to give my unbiased answer below as I have a MAZDASPEED product in my driveway.

In fact my other car is a MAZDASPEED Protege that my wife drives. Its a great little car and the handling is amazing. The power is great now that I have turned up the boost and put a CAI in it. The torque is very good and there is also not a lot of lag.

I have been in the driven the Mazdaspeed 6 and it was a very nice car. The only problem is the AWD is too front drive based. The car really likes to understeer but is still a nice car. Its also very heavy (also due to the FWD) but is very easy to drive and drive fast. The car compares more to a Legay GT then a BMW in reality. It would be a tough choice betwee that and a Legacy GT (espicall a SpecB Legacy) and I think I would get a legacy GT. Less weight and more fun to drive IMO. The BMW is a lot more money but its tough to say if it really worth the extra cash. If you have the cash its worth it and if your really stretching to for the BMW the Mazdaspeed is a great alternative. This is the most non biased answer I can come up with.

[Mr. 5]

I just saw this thread...This is a no brainer especially in an e90 forum.
The 335 is way better.

[OverDrive]

get the 335xi coupe, and u'll thank me
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[sa8901]

Originally Posted by bts

After reading through this thread ... the only thing I want to ask. Were there as many votes for BMW on the Mazda boards as for Mazda on this poll?

to be honest people still chose 335i as to the speed6 27 to 8. I know the 335I is a great car as I stated I've tested them both and for me I like the sedan better. Plus I'll be leasing it not financing. For 570 a month with no money down for 24 months 30k miles. Sound like a good deal?

[bts]

Originally Posted by sa8901

to be honest people still chose 335i as to the speed6 27 to 8. I know the 335I is a great car as I stated I've tested them both and for me I like the sedan better. Plus I'll be leasing it not financing. For 570 a month with no money down for 24 months 30k miles. Sound like a good deal?

Doesn't sound unreasonable ... but I'm sure the leasing experts will want details.

As a side note, I've only met one person who owned the speed6. He was within days of being able to exercise the lemon law.

Now you just need to decide on options and color.

Brian

[FUR65]

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[phil_]

I've owned a speed6 for a little over 2 years and I'm seriously considering the same switch.

I test drove a 335i (Sport Sedan) a few months back and really liked it. At the time they didn't have a 335xi available. I still want to test drive one so my comparison is speed6 vs 335i right now.

Here's my impression:

Exterior: I actually like the exterior of speed6. But the differences between a regular 6 and speed6 are so subtle for most people they can't tell the difference (Until you pull a 1.7s 60').

I prefer the 335i styling. Looks better all around. I love the coupe and the sedan has grown on me. I have trouble with the 18" wheels though. Love the 19's.

Interior quality: The speed6 is ok. But the 335i looks / feels much better.

Handling: For those who haven't driven a speed6 they handle very well. It's not your average Mazda. But the 335 is clear winner here. You feel confident taking corners and want to push it more and more. This to me is the biggest difference and for this reason alone I would purchase a 335.

Power: Low end power felt almost identical. The surge of power you get in 1st when you floor a speed6 is awesome. The 60+ salesman looked scared so I couldn't really go nuts in 1st like I would of wanted. I would assume a 335xi would be comparable.

The 335 has more top end power, where the speed6 falls flat around 5500rpm the 335 keeps on pulling. It's really nice not to have to shift so much. To keep the speed6 in it's power band you need to shift around 5800rpm.


I've tracked mine dozens of times (1/4 mile). It's a high 13 sec car on a good day. And good for 14.0-14.1 all day long. Probably done over 500 3000+rpm launches. After 45,000km the clutch is fine. Transmission is fine. Car has held up a lot better than I expected. I had the turbo die after 30,000km but with the way I drive the car it wasn't a shock. I love driving the speed6 in snow. It's addictive. A good set of snow tires and AWD is a blast. AWD donuts... Snow flying out of the back of the car...

Overall I definetly prefer the 335. But for around $15,000 canadian more I would hope so. I just can't decide between a 335i or xi. I plan on test driving one soon.

[CokerRat]

One car is clearly superior to the other and even the Mazda boys can't argue against that. Is one $10K better? Every BMW owner will say "yes" and most Mazda owners will say "no" for the obvious reasons, personality and value in addition to the fraction whose ability to pay lies between the two.

If the 3 series is a stretch, I'm sure the MS6 is a fine alternative.

[Ireland]

Just not in the same league . i have driven both and the mazda is a damn good car but just nowhere near the performance ,looks ,comfort ,fun

[Ireland]

Just not in the same league . i have driven both and the mazda is a damn good car but just nowhere near the performance ,looks ,comfort ,fun of the Bmw

[FUR65]

u must drive 335 and mazda after that u can understand that mazda is nothing near the BMW..

[IrateSpeed6]

I have a mazdaspeed 6... I plan on using it as my winter car once I get a 335

[sa8901]

Ok what about handling? I mean the Speed6 is AWD how would it compare against the speed6 on a race track? Also the speed6 runs 13.9@99mph in the quarter mile bone stock. What times and I don't mean by magazines and stuff but by actual people what times does the 335i pull in the quarter mile and 0-60mph? Also Would just putting the vishnu chip and nothing else make this car a 12 second car and 0-60 in 4.8 sec? Just want to see a compare and contrast of the 2 thoroughly. Also is this the biggest and most popular fourm for the e90 and e92?

[OverDrive]

Originally Posted by sa8901

Ok what about handling? I mean the Speed6 is AWD how would it compare against the speed6 on a race track? Also the speed6 runs 13.9@99mph in the quarter mile bone stock. What times and I don't mean by magazines and stuff but by actual people what times does the 335i pull in the quarter mile and 0-60mph? Also Would just putting the vishnu chip and nothing else make this car a 12 second car and 0-60 in 4.8 sec? Just want to see a compare and contrast of the 2 thoroughly. Also is this the biggest and most popular fourm for the e90 and e92?

i know people that have done the 1/4 mile with a stock E92 335i in about 13.6sec @ 105 mph. but with vishnu v2.02, it probably won't have alot of difference, maybe like 1-1.5 seconds and 3-4 mph faster.
now for 0-60's the 335i is about 5.3-5.4 stock and with vishnu v2.02 it can go as low as 4.8 like u said.
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[WetbackNinja]

I'm basically in the same position as you...I own a Mazdaspeed 6 with only 3k miles and love my car, I like the way it handles and everything this vehicle has to offer...I'm sure u know what this car is capable of.
I test drove a 335i coupe manual transmission (automatics are for pussy's) like a week ago and I fell in love with this car as well...I really liked the sound of the engine and exhaust when I turned it on, I liked interior (a bit more than the ms6 cause the ms6 has nice interior in my opinion), I liked how smooth the clutch felt everytime I changed gears (Ms6=sports clutch), the power wasn't to much different in my opinion, and the body looks much more nicer than the ms6. I have decided to sell my ms6 and buy a 335xi.

I pick Mazdaspeed 6 because the price is so cheap for what the car is...and its AWD!

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...uperSpotlight=

[BMWGermany]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Do you really think the MazdaSpeed6 is a "great" car? I'm not saying it's bad, but the Mazda is not in the same car class as the BMW 335i in terms of performance, luxury, safety, or technology. Sorry, but true. Also, I believe the MazdaSpeed6 is ~ $35k and the 335i is at least $10k more; you're trying to compare apples to oranges here.

You are absolutely right.

Mazda = BMW wannabe

Mazda should be ashamed of themselves

[Year's_End]

Just did some research. It goes to 60 in 5.5 and only runs on 215s. Those are just some pointers. Btw, lol at this: Apparently Lexus must've gotten their idea from the Mazdaspeed6 for the LS and IS-F series's fake exhaust tips.