[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Then you won't be able to read it. Just admit the fact that you are wrong again, and buy maybe a 2nd juicebox? 2 times the control is better than 1.

I plan on going with Cobb when they release Stage 2 maps, then getting Dyno tuned after that.

U know Cobb? That World renowned tuner company that says the BMW DME is overly Ambitious at pulling timing? And that random 3-6 degree timing drops is not knock?

Ya I'll be switching to them unless Terry or Shiv can blow my mind with 100% pure water injection test results.

[ExpensiveTaste]

Originally Posted by Shellacked135i

This thread started as how the stock ECU controls ignition. It never was about which tune was better.

The fanbois simply came in on defensive mode, and thus the tunes came into play.

If you look at the very first 10 pages or less, CLAP specifically said its not about what tune you run.

To simply look how how it controls on the Stock DME.

No, he specifically started this thread to bash one tune. Hence, why he called out one tune developer in the title.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Rysandro

I plan on going with Cobb when they release Stage 2 maps, then getting Dyno tuned after that.

U know Cobb? That World renowned tuner company that says the BMW DME is overly Ambitious at pulling timing? And that random 3-6 degree timing drops is not knock?

Ya I'll be switching to them unless Terry or Shiv can blow my mind with 100% pure water injection test results.

yea I know cobb, ill be assisting in the maps your are running.....hope you enjoy them.

Just because shiv/cobb/terry or whoever say something, does not mean it is fact. Hell the 3 of them dont even agree on the topic at hand.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by ExpensiveTaste

No, he specifically started this thread to bash one tune. Hence, why he called out one tune developer in the title.

Not bash, exploit how it works, as it is the only one that runs the way it does.

[Shellacked135i]

Originally Posted by ExpensiveTaste

No, he specifically started this thread to bash one tune. Hence, why he called out one tune developer in the title.

Well Clap already responded, but again, as I stated the fanobis from their respective parties came in right away defensive.

If you look at how everything unfolded, facts were simply posted with questions at best.

The community is quite sensitive when it comes to anyone talking about their respective tune. Even if what it said is true.

Basic tuning theory applies on all cars.

[ExpensiveTaste]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Not bash, exploit how it works, as it is the only one that runs the way it does.

Well you are right in the fact that it is the only tune that doesn't modify the maximum ignition advance values. But they all control ignition timing in the same way. Please prove me wrong with actual facts because I know you are just going to say reread the thread full of useless assumptions based on marketing bs.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by ExpensiveTaste

Well you are right in the fact that it is the only tune that doesn't modify the maximum ignition advance values. But they all control ignition timing in the same way. Please prove me wrong with actual facts because I know you are just going to say reread the thread full of useless assumptions based on marketing bs.

I already posted about 5 logs, showing the procede running happy and unhappy, and my cobb tune running under the knock threshold. What else do you want? I simply cannot for the life of me get my cobb tune to drop ignition while in gear.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Not bash, exploit how it works, as it is the only one that runs the way it does.

Actually in addition to the JB lineup the SSTT, Active Processor 2, Helix Attache, PES, and VAC N54 piggybacks all use the same approach the JB does to retarding timing. The JB just happens to be wildly more popular and better featured and supported.

Mike

[A418t81]

What's that, a stock ECU doing exactly what it is supposed to do when it encounters more combustion noise than it likes? OH NO! Quick, somebody put a piggyback or suboptimal tune on the car that pulls enough timing that the ECU doesn't have to do the job it was specifically designed to do!!

The whole reason ECUs exist IS to ride the "knock threshold." I say "knock threshold" with a grain of salt, because if you think the ECU is pulling timing in relation to actual destructive detonation, you don't have the foggiest idea of how conservative the stock programming is.

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight, I own a car that's fast and NA There's a LOT of BS on this board lately about reflashes. Fair number of folks on here remind me of nurses I deal with that get on WebMD....fair amount of knowledge but just enough to be dangerous and wrong almost half the time

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Actually in addition to the JB lineup the SSTT, Active Processor 2, Helix Attache, PES, and VAC N54 piggybacks all use the same approach the JB does to retarding timing. The JB just happens to be wildly more popular and better featured and supported.

Mike

SST and the jb+ are not tunes, they are shit.

the AA processor is a juicebox as terry sold it to them.
Wtf is helix? Find me one member who uses that.
Pes, same thing, find me one member who uses that.
Vac? Who?

These are all useless tunes that no1 uses for a reason.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by A418t81

What's that, a stock ECU doing exactly what it is supposed to do when it encounters more combustion noise than it likes? OH NO! Quick, somebody put a piggyback or suboptimal tune on the car that pulls enough timing that the ECU doesn't have to do the job it was specifically designed to do!!

The whole reason ECUs exist IS to ride the "knock threshold." I say "knock threshold" with a grain of salt, because if you think the ECU is pulling timing in relation to actual destructive detonation, you don't have the foggiest idea of how conservative the stock programming is.

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight, I own a car that's fast and NA There's a LOT of BS on this board lately about reflashes. Fair number of folks on here remind me of nurses I deal with that get on WebMD....fair amount of knowledge but just enough to be dangerous and wrong almost half the time

Do me a favor, slap an intake/headers/exhaust/cam on your car. maybe throw a 40 dry shot on top of it, leave it on the stock ecu though. Let me know how fast your car will be.

[Shellacked135i]

Originally Posted by A418t81

What's that, a stock ECU doing exactly what it is supposed to do when it encounters more combustion noise than it likes? OH NO! Quick, somebody put a piggyback or suboptimal tune on the car that pulls enough timing that the ECU doesn't have to do the job it was specifically designed to do!!

The whole reason ECUs exist IS to ride the "knock threshold." I say "knock threshold" with a grain of salt, because if you think the ECU is pulling timing in relation to actual destructive detonation, you don't have the foggiest idea of how conservative the stock programming is.

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight, I own a car that's fast and NA There's a LOT of BS on this board lately about reflashes. Fair number of folks on here remind me of nurses I deal with that get on WebMD....fair amount of knowledge but just enough to be dangerous and wrong almost half the time

Does the 08 C6 z06 have a stronger trans, or is just speculation? Serious question.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Wtf is helix? Find me one member who uses that.

Here you go. 1s search.. What do I win.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...40&postcount=1

Mike

[Shellacked135i]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Here you go. 1s search.. What do I win.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...40&postcount=1

Mike

He's from Y O.

Enough said

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Here you go. 1s search.. What do I win.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...40&postcount=1

Mike

Yea cause that matters. Seriously Mike, you are going to compare those no name tunes next to the big 3-4 that dominate the market?

why not link the whole thread. What was the solution? oh right, throw it in the dumpster. lol GREAT TUNE. If you want to associate your tune with that crap, be my guest.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Yea cause that matters. Seriously Mike, you are going to compare those no name tunes next to the big 3-4 that dominate the market?

why not link the whole thread. What was the solution? oh right, throw it in the dumpster. lol GREAT TUNE. If you want to associate your tune with that crap, be my guest.

LOL.. You asked me to show you a member that runs it and I did.... I didn't realize it was so easy to get under your skin.

Mike

[ExpensiveTaste]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I already posted about 5 logs, showing the procede running happy and unhappy, and my cobb tune running under the knock threshold. What else do you want? I simply cannot for the life of me get my cobb tune to drop ignition while in gear.

You just haven't reached conditions where it would need to yet. Wait until it gets to 105 degree ambient temps and you put the A/C on, just like the original post...

[Morpheus]

wait, I'm still stumped. I understand what you are saying now, but it doesn't jive with what I'm seeing. Shouldn't I be having limp modes with all of this knocking? Shouldn't I have some knock codes, or something? anything?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by ExpensiveTaste

You just haven't reached conditions where it would need to yet. Wait until it gets to 105 degree ambient temps and you put the A/C on, just like the original post...

Yea and in those conditions, if its not tuned for it, it will rely on the stock sensor. That the point. Try rely on the sensor in shit conditions, not all the time.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

wait, I'm still stumped. I understand what you are saying now, but it doesn't jive with what I'm seeing. Shouldn't I be having limp modes with all of this knocking? Shouldn't I have some knock codes, or something? anything?

If you superknocked, you WOULD throw a Glow Ignition code. They're ugly little buggers.

[ExpensiveTaste]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Yea and in those conditions, if its not tuned for it, it will rely on the stock sensor. That the point. Try rely on the sensor in shit conditions, not all the time.

So just a quick question to end the night. What is the hottest ambient temp you have logged the Cobb at so far?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

wait, I'm still stumped. I understand what you are saying now, but it doesn't jive with what I'm seeing. Shouldn't I be having limp modes with all of this knocking? Shouldn't I have some knock codes, or something? anything?

yea, if you do, then the last measure of safty failed and you damaged your engine. You want to rely on your last measure 100 percent of the time, go ahead.