[LMB335IS]

Originally Posted by T1M

Noise isn't hard to do, and it gets a lot of visibility. Some people buy N55 cars over N54 purely so they can flash the PPK tune for crackles.

Maybe a little harder than you think by the amount of time it took to bring it to fruition. Some people may go N55 for that but I'd bet the vast majority don't.

Originally Posted by T1M

The number of people prepared to flash stage 1 with burbles is huge compared to those needing the features I mentioned to stay with BMW for their project/build. I can have all those right now on a GTR for example, it's easy to jump ship and take the easy road. But you build up a customer base and brand visibility with the low hanging fruit first (stage 1/2 flashes and exhaust burbles) then with that money develop a more intricate feature set.

This is simply a reflection of the current 335i market. The N54 hasn't been a mass market model in the US since 2010. The huge depreciation over the years has simply made it available to much more of the lower end of the buyers market. Jumping ship to a GTR isn't even possible for 99% of them. I get these type of features appeal to that portion of market as the older guys like myself find myself moving up to the M cars or Porsche.

It's all good mate. I just look at these noise options as a lateral move, not a step forward like adjustable launch control or full E85 capability for example. Hell, maybe Jake has enough time to invest in R&D for all these features simultaneously as he certainly seems capable of doing.

Cheers

[89mustaine]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Those are all awesome features.

Guess which feature is going to get more new customers and therefor more money? Look at this thread about exhaust noise, I swear it gets bumped daily. I unsubscribed for a while it was being bumped so much.

Go make a thread about rolling anti lag or two step and let me know when it gets to page 34.





This. I guarantee 90% or higher of MHD users or potential customers are never going to use those 'advanced' features. Most are going to flash an OTS that matches their mods and be done with it.

You are correct.

But this is not the reason you left the thread

[omgshinoda]

a friend of mine with 135i just got MHD with exhaust burbles. As a passenger in the car, the car sounds amazing and adds loads of excitement to the car compared to before.

this really made me jump ships from cobb. Anyhow is there any confirmed downside to the burbles? (besides maybe little lower mpg) I read something on another forum that overrun/burble feature on our engines will burn out the turbos. Any truth in this?

[T1M]

Nah, its just a little fuel going in a burning in the manifolds. EGT barely rises from a log someone did earlier. No one's damaged anything with the feature, evenwith the ludicrously aggressive old 'hard' mode, and many other cars do light burbles stock anyway.

[omgshinoda]

yeah my car with dps already gurgles but definitely not as loud and consistently. I guess i'm flashing it again with exhaust burbles.

Does flashing take 40mins everytime? or is that just first time? (i remember Cobb's initial flash was long but switching maps were really quick)

[T1M]

It only takes 2 mins to flash the same rom version over the top for subsequent flashes. No charger required if your battery is decent.

[_ink]

Originally Posted by T1M

Burble on overrun is not faking the presence of something (hardware or other) that the cars 'do not have' . It's something associated with a sporty car; many people enjoy an exhaust note under acceleration, and it may surprise you to find out people also enjoy an exhaust note on deceleration too. The new M3, M4 and M2 do it. Many Porsches do it. Jag F-type does it, Audi RS3 does it...they're all tune based (from factory) decel burbles for aural enjoyment only. They did it because their market research suggested people really like it! Many feel it adds to the fun, playful nature of a sports car - cars you buy for fun, rather than pure practicality.

The faux lope is a little odd I agree, I had a built evo that loped so much due to cams I went down a cam size, raised the idle speed and added some timing to lessen it, but many think it sounds cool. I agree, it does, but the side effect was it liked to stall out in parking lots and it made it a PIA to drive.

About the money thing. Really? You're surprised MHD want to make money? They have spent loads of their personal time (and money too, I assume) to bring this product to a market almost totally devoid of tuning options. What do we have? Archaic piggy backs and a single company that dropped the marque once cracking the ECU's got too hard. Even with MHD where it's at now is early 2000's for many other car brands/models. We are so far behind. Do you have any idea what they are doing with stock ECU audi's, Porches, GTR's, Evo's, STI's etc? Rolling antilag, launch maps, 2-step rev limiters, full flex fuel capable, dual mapping, adding features the stock ECU never had in its code, the list is huge. MHD and their contributors like @jyamona need all the money and customers they can get, so they can single-handedly push this platform forwards.

If you don't like or want a feature, dude, it's simple - don't tick the box. Don't move the slider. It would also be nice, however, if you didn't deride those who wish to enjoy the features on offer.a If it brings someone happiness to hear a nice burble from their exhaust on decel, and it brings a few more customers and money MHD's way in the process, that's a good thing.

This! Then, this again and again.

[omgshinoda]

Originally Posted by T1M

It only takes 2 mins to flash the same rom version over the top for subsequent flashes. No charger required if your battery is decent.

hehe awesome.

[PNWN54]

Originally Posted by LMB335IS

This. These are the features that should be on the priority list, not noise.

+1 the noise helps us get there with a bang, slowly. lol

[PNWN54]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Any videos of dps with a PE on a coupe?

I can make a video of this setup. Been wanting to post some of the burble options from stock to hard. Stay tuned, this may happen some time next week.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by PNWN54

I can make a video of this setup. Been wanting to post some of the burble options from stock to hard. Stay tuned, this may happen some time next week.

Thanks. FWIW I just bought a genuine BMW PE and just have to install it since the time I asked I might have 1st hand experience before your video. But please post it! It would be great if someone showed all the differences on the slider etc.

[OzCoE92]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Thanks. FWIW I just bought a genuine BMW PE and just have to install it since the time I asked I might have 1st hand experience before your video. But please post it! It would be great if someone showed all the differences on the slider etc.

I'm on stock downpipes with the PE mufflers and aggressive burbles were loud, bordering on obnoxious. I have since flash back without the burbles, for daily driving it was way too much noise.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by OzCoE92

I'm on stock downpipes with the PE mufflers and aggressive burbles were loud, bordering on obnoxious. I have since flash back without the burbles, for daily driving it was way too much noise.

Once my stupid clamp comes in will know 1st hand

[jyamona]

So, jerkiness fixed for everyone with the update?

[J. Dub]

Originally Posted by jyamona

So, jerkiness fixed for everyone with the update?

On my 6AT it sure did. Thank you

[joeinsd]

Same. 6at, fixed.

[89mustaine]

Originally Posted by jyamona

So, jerkiness fixed for everyone with the update?

Jerkiness is gone, I also noticed Aggressive isn't as "aggressive" as it was. Is that intentional? I do also notice that the difference between D/DS/DSsport/Msport/M modes are quite distinctive. Seemed like before the update the only factor was rpm but now the same rpm in M and Msport are wildly different.

Anyways, I have no gripes anymore, thank you for putting this together!

[jyamona]

Originally Posted by 89mustaine

Jerkiness is gone, I also noticed Aggressive isn't as "aggressive" as it was. Is that intentional? I do also notice that the difference between D/DS/DSsport/Msport/M modes are quite distinctive. Seemed like before the update the only factor was rpm but now the same rpm in M and Msport are wildly different.

Anyways, I have no gripes anymore, thank you for putting this together!

Not intentional, but a side effect. If more aggressiveness is ever desired, it can be added. I think the available settings are perfect now though

[iatacs19]

Originally Posted by jyamona

So, jerkiness fixed for everyone with the update?

It's much improved for DCT, but still there for me with the latest beta version.

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by iatacs19

It's much improved for DCT, but still there for me with the latest beta version.

Same with my DCT. It's a little better but still jerky.

[Griff500]

Jerkiness better but still there for me. Manual trans

[T1M]

Originally Posted by jyamona

So, jerkiness fixed for everyone with the update?

I never had jerkiness to begin with, still don't have it now