[Orb]

Originally Posted by 335lvr

Would you explain this one for me. If there is testing that my tune will blow the turbos up in 3 years...I want to know. Also, does AA "feel" that certain tunes will grenade the motor, or do they have actual testing to prove this?

Edit: I feel guilty for adding to this off topic dribble. There's no way the Dinan time offers a truly representative example. Especially with the M/T.

They say they have testing and numbers. I would phone AA as they seem to will to discuss the information with the public.

Orb

[jdink]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

With that logic, I'll just run 7psi instead. Because I'm really looking forward to running against the guy down the street in 10 years.

Seriously now, where do you pull these forecasts from? Is it what you think or what you hope?

-shiv

Shiv,

I'm thinking that I don't want to buy a house for another 3-4 years. With that in mind, what PSI do u think i should run? 5? 6?

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

What other mods do you have ? just 2.02 map

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

If I recall reading correctly, the v2 driver only got in 1 run, ran 91oct (not 100oct like funkdoc) and had 300lbs of junk in his car So I'm not sure how fair of a comparison it is. FWIW, I've run 112mph traps at that same track back when I only had a catback and ran v2.0.2. Also on 100oct so I think that is more of a apples to apples comparo.

Back to this thread:
Good show sleepdoc! Nice do see you guys doing well down there in Florida. I think sflgator ran traps that were pretty close to yours (111.x?) with his v2 a few months ago with his 6AT and 93oct. Excellent work. Moroso is no joke from what I hear. I think you will really like v3. It's got a few features that should help you (and me for that matter) get those 60' times down

Cheers,
shiv

Correct, Shiv...see my sig (and I've only been to the track 2x in my life -- once with PROcede v1.47 and once with PROcede v2! Sleepdoc -- great numbers with v2.02, man...congrats!!! For a comparison to my v2 runs in Dec., '07 (sig), my 60ft. was 1.984 sec. I wish I could've joined you guys last night in the cooler weather; plus I have new Falken FK-452 tires which could help with the launch (I haven't been able to really spin them yet).

It's interesting to see the Dinan 335i running so slowly; maybe it was just an off night for him, but consistently trapping at 105mph is just above what a stock 335i traps at (103-104mph) so it doesn't sound right. It would think a Dinan 335i would trap ~ 107-109mph.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by jdink

Shiv,

I'm thinking that I don't want to buy a house for another 3-4 years. With that in mind, what PSI do u think i should run? 5? 6?

If that is what you are thinking, then you shouldn't buy a house at all. now is the time.

[sleepdoc]

Originally Posted by boosted305

sleepdoc:

what other, if any, mods do you have besides V2?

great run by the way!

Thanks! - V2.02 only.

[5soko]

Originally Posted by 335lvr

Ohh please! That is simply not true. Although I do agree that they should not be compared in this particular case.

what exactly isnt true? i have owned both and many of my friend have hit the track that i have seen both in action each time, not only did the MT have a slower ET but a trap speed aswell. of course its a more driver based topic of course but AT helps build some boost from the get go, keeps that momentum going and easier to hook up with more power.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Correct, Shiv...see my sig (and I've only been to the track 2x in my life -- once with PROcede v1.47 and once with PROcede v2! Sleepdoc -- great numbers with v2.02, man...congrats!!! For a comparison to my v2 runs in Dec., '07 (sig), my 60ft. was 1.984 sec. I wish I could've joined you guys last night in the cooler weather; plus I have new Falken FK452 tires which could help with the launch (I haven't been able to really spin them yet).

It's interesting to see the Dinan 335i running so slowly; maybe it was just an off night for him, but consistently trapping at 105mph is just above what a stock 335i traps at (103-104mph) so it doesn't sound right. It would think a Dinan 335i would trap ~ 107-109mph.

Offtopic but interesting ... please let us know how the Falken's perform.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Offtopic but interesting ... please let us know how the Falken's perform.

So far (~1k mi. on them), I'm very happy with the Falken FK-452s...and they cost > $400 less/set of 4 than the Mich PS2s.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

what exactly isnt true? i have owned both and many of my friend have hit the track that i have seen both in action each time, not only did the MT have a slower ET but a trap speed aswell. of course its a more driver based topic of course but AT helps build some boost from the get go, keeps that momentum going and easier to hook up with more power.

The statement "AT always run faster at the 1/4 mile then MT's" is not true. I have driven both, flogged both, and they are too close to call.

[5soko]

Originally Posted by 335lvr

The statement "AT always run faster at the 1/4 mile then MT's" is not true. I have driven both, flogged both, and they are too close to call.

i should have added depending on driver, MOST of the time, 85% of the time the MT is slower then the AT, they are def not too close to call at all..... on one given night at my hometown track almost all the MT 335i were getting somthing like a 13.8 ET's all nite long while the AT's were getting 13.5's!!! get some MT drivers and go to track, esp if u dont know the track launching a tuned MT 335i at the track is a its pretty much a know fact lol but like i said, some people know there cars really well and can really feel the launch... the AT is just idiot proff, brake launch, and pedal to the floor.( most of the time)

[sflgator]

Gotta love the ZF 6AT tranny with the paddles!!!!!!

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

i should have added depending on driver, MOST of the time, 85% of the time the MT is slower then the AT, they are def not too close to call at all..... on one given night at my hometown track almost all the MT 335i were getting somthing like a 13.8 ET's all nite long while the AT's were getting 13.5's!!! get some MT drivers and go to track, esp if u dont know the track launching a tuned MT 335i at the track is a its pretty much a know fact lol but like i said, some people know there cars really well and can really feel the launch... the AT is just idiot proff, brake launch, and pedal to the floor.( most of the time)

Agreed: Depending on driver. I should add that my experience with comparing both trannys have been going WOT from a roll.

[5soko]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Gotta love the ZF 6AT tranny with the paddles!!!!!!

HELL YEA!!!!

Originally Posted by 335lvr

Agreed: Depending on driver. I should add that my experience with comparing both trannys have been going WOT from a roll.

from a roll i agree with you its close. but i agree with your last statement aswell

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by turbotko

Here we go again. sheez it just never ever stops does it. The truth is........NOBODY KNOWS!!! Not Dinan, Not AA, especially not Orb or Eugene, and not Vishnu. We will all have to wait and see what the long term effects are of the tunes.


Me personally............I don't give a fuck!! I modifiy my car because I want to, and if the sonofabitch blows up then I'll deal with it at that time. If you crybabies are sooooooo worried about blowing shit up..........LEAVE IT STOCK!!!!!!!

Orb and I have gotten into it about testing and such. In my opinion, no one knows. I don't care who says they know, if they don't have anything proof to back it up, then it's all about marketing. If any vendor does know, they've probably blown up an engine or turbo with their tune . In time, we will know (from actual users, not from the vendors as they are all biased one way or another).

Gary

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

Orb and I have gotten into it about testing and such. In my opinion, no one knows. I don't care who says they know, if they don't have anything proof to back it up, then it's all about marketing. If any vendor does know, they've probably blown up an engine or turbo with their tune . In time, we will know (from actual users, not from the vendors as they are all biased one way or another).

Gary

The knock retard system is so good I don't think we will see many engine failures anytime soon unless someone does something really crazy, but the turbos are not going to last forever and it doesn't take a genius to know the harder you push them the sooner they will wear out.

[335ICoupe]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

i should have added depending on driver, MOST of the time, 85% of the time the MT is slower then the AT, they are def not too close to call at all..... on one given night at my hometown track almost all the MT 335i were getting somthing like a 13.8 ET's all nite long while the AT's were getting 13.5's!!! get some MT drivers and go to track, esp if u dont know the track launching a tuned MT 335i at the track is a its pretty much a know fact lol but like i said, some people know there cars really well and can really feel the launch... the AT is just idiot proff, brake launch, and pedal to the floor.( most of the time)

Sounds about right;
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=93664&page=2
13.859 was my best stock

[ybbiz34]

If possible at this point at time, let's try to get this discussion back on topic, if anyone can remember what the topic was.

[Wicked_SVT]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Oh, Bubbles is just pissed b/c another Dinan 335i ran 13.4 sec. @ 105mph vs. a PROcede v2 335i that ran 12.5 @ 112mph side-by-side at the same track on the same night. Oh yeah, and that's why Bubbles refuses to run with me or any other PROcede v2 (forget v3) 335i...fear of embarrassment. j/k Bubbles...you know I don't take offense to your rejection.

Are we really trying to compare these two tunes? I think we know which one is faster. The V2 is not only making more boost it holds it through red line were the Dinan tune tapers off. So it really isn't a surprise that the V2 was faster. A better comparison would be V1.4 vs Dinan. As far as the slow Dinan time, there is only two times posted with Dinan:

1. 12.9 AT
2. 13.4 MT

I believe when the V2 first came out there were also people that were not getting good times with the MT as well and alot of it had to do with driver experience. I need to get up to Fontana with my Dinan tune so we can get some more times. I have a MT with everything else being stock. Launching the MT is definatley not easy.

Great times sleepdoc!!

[Jason]

All of the off-topic / unnecessary stuff (especially tuner vs. tuner crap) in the last couple pages has been cleaned up. Anyone perpetuating the discussions that have been deleted will be infracted.

Those wanting to discuss AA and stress testing can start a new thread.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Wicked_SVT

Are we really trying to compare these two tunes? I think we know which one is faster. The V2 is not only making more boost it holds it through red line were the Dinan tune tapers off. So it really isn't a surprise that the V2 was faster. A better comparison would be V1.4 vs Dinan. As far as the slow Dinan time, there is only two times posted with Dinan:

1. 12.9 AT
2. 13.4 MT

I believe when the V2 first came out there were also people that were not getting good times with the MT as well and alot of it had to do with driver experience. I need to get up to Fontana with my Dinan tune so we can get some more times. I have a MT with everything else being stock. Launching the MT is definatley not easy.

Great times sleepdoc!!

Good, relevant post. And with "Great times sleepdoc" this thread is back on topic. Nice timing WickedSVT.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Wicked_SVT

Are we really trying to compare these two tunes? I think we know which one is faster. The V2 is not only making more boost it holds it through red line were the Dinan tune tapers off. So it really isn't a surprise that the V2 was faster. A better comparison would be V1.4 vs Dinan. As far as the slow Dinan time, there is only two times posted with Dinan:

1. 12.9 AT
2. 13.4 MT

I believe when the V2 first came out there were also people that were not getting good times with the MT as well and alot of it had to do with driver experience. I need to get up to Fontana with my Dinan tune so we can get some more times. I have a MT with everything else being stock. Launching the MT is definatley not easy.

Great times sleepdoc!!

Yes, I agree that the 13.4 sec. @ 105mph for the Dinan 335i doesn't sound right, even @ Moroso. As I mentioned b4, I would think a Dinan 335i should trap 107-108mph @ Moroso. And, yes, PROcede v2 runs higher boost, and should be faster, but there are those ppl who spent > $2,000 on the Dinan ECU Flash that swear their car is as fast or faster than a PROcede v2 335i.