[FLOSS M]

If you were to bring the car in for its normal service/oil change with no complaints why would they automatically update the software?

Can they do that?

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

My take is that they do.....and then they sell those "M-Division" mods for $25k.

When Mr. Kline, Mr. Quaife and Mr. Pathak are able to do the same for <$10k, the business plan for M Division no longer works perfectly.

But, it's not quite that simple. Why didn't they give the M the same overhead to make more power as the 335? Why not just go with a I6 with larger turbos than a 335 or a larger displacement slightly de-tuned V8?

Because they know some people are going to buy an M car just because it's an M car and a status symbol not solely for performance. Which is kind of fucked up but, that's the deal.

If M's aren't selling it's more because of the economy, gas prices and the stupid high sticker price than the 335.

[Houman21]

Originally Posted by AJerman

99 Cobras made less power than advertised. Ford put out a recall and fixed them all.

Hell, all BMW has to do is give us better performing software. Judging from the people who got upgraded to 29.2 and noticed the lag they didn't have before (and of course because of what we know is causing it), it can all be put back with a flash.

You recently took delivery - I'll be taking delivery in about a month? Do you love the car AJerman or do you feel BMW has crippled your vehicle.

I get the sense that BMW will offer their own tune on these cars through their 'Performance" brand - maybe that is why they are toning things down a bit.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

But, it's not quite that simple. Why didn't they give the M the same overhead to make more power as the 335? Why not just go with a I6 with larger turbos than a 335 or a larger displacement slightly de-tuned V8?

Because they know some people are going to buy an M car just because it's an M car and a status symbol not solely for performance. Which is kind of fucked up but, that's the deal.

If M's aren't selling it's more because of the economy, gas prices and the stupid high sticker price than the 335.

I fully agree with the status symbol comment.

[Heat00]

Originally Posted by DDS335i

If you were to bring the car in for its normal service/oil change with no complaints why would they automatically update the software?

Can they do that?

thats what I'm wondering.... my guess is that they won't, just based on my recent service (which was just oil), about 2-3 weeks ago. i asked them to check everything (which now I know not too) and they said everything was fine. I don't think they did any software/computer work because at the time I had the actuator (golf teemod) unplugged and not only did they not say anything about a code, they didn't plug it back in lol....

Unless, they did give me 29.2 and I don't know.... no one has answered the question of, how do you know what version you are running???

Car seems to be running fine so I'm assuming they didn't change any software.

the other question, when and why do they upgrade your software version??

[Bubbles]

Ironically, there were 7 M3s, including a white E90, on the lot at my dealer. But only 5 335i (one coupe and 4 sedans). These M3s are collecting dust on the lots. The economy is really beginning to impact consumers in the M3 price bracket.

[DanMardik]

So do we even know if this version 30 exists?

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by DanMardik

So do we even know if this version 30 exists?

No. Yet this thread gets diluted with things already clearly stated in 29.2 threads (i.e. when and why you get updated, how to tell, etc etc.)

Anyway, my opinion, backed by no one knowing anything including several "in-the-know" people, is that as of now is V30 does NOT exist and this was a false post.

[JesusFrEAk]

now the 29.2 lag yall are talking about does it occur in DS mode or just D...or both?

[FastLane]

Originally Posted by AJerman

99 Cobras made less power than advertised. Ford put out a recall and fixed them all.

Ford fixed the issue by installing a new intake manifold, exhaust system, belt tensioner, and a PCM reflash. I have one of the 99 models.

If enough people complain to the right people, BMW will fix w/e issue with the next progman (if thats the root cause and permanent fix).

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by JesusFrEAk

now the 29.2 lag yall are talking about does it occur in DS mode or just D...or both?

or does it occur with 6MT? and do they upgrade ur dme to dme80 too?

[e.n335]

M3 sales are behind expectations ... maybe v29.2 + is a try to change this fact.

My 2 cents.

[RedGT3]

Originally Posted by e.n335

M3 sales are behind expectations ... maybe v29.2 + is a try to change this fact.

My 2 cents.

Most likely is going to make me trade brands not cars.

[sdwilly]

Originally Posted by fll335

Most likely is going to make me trade brands not cars.

+1, for the price of a M3 equiped how I would like I'm better off going the Porsche route, for less I can get the C63.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by fll335

Most likely is going to make me trade brands not cars.

+ 1million

[Kerosene Hat]

Originally Posted by e.n335

M3 sales are behind expectations ... maybe v29.2 + is a try to change this fact.

My 2 cents.

World economy slowing > 335i cannibalization of M3 sales, IMHO

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by Kerosene Hat

World economy slowing > 335i cannibalization of M3 sales, IMHO

Add to that US customers having to pay European type gas prices for the first time with the M3's 14MPG.

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by fll335

Most likely is going to make me trade brands not cars.

yep

[lm1z]

Originally Posted by fll335

Most likely is going to make me trade brands not cars.

+10^8

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

or does it occur with 6MT? and do they upgrade ur dme to dme80 too?

wastegate duty cycles have nothing to do with transmissions. All cars are affected. It's probably more noticable to 6MT drivers who are more in tune with what each particular gear feels like, but absolutely affects 6AT too, I think.

Not sure how to answer your dme question. We all already have V80. New cars have V81. And no, of course BMW isn't ripping out old ECU's and replacing our hardware with V81.

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

wastegate duty cycles have nothing to do with transmissions. All cars are affected. It's probably more noticable to 6MT drivers who are more in tune with what each particular gear feels like, but absolutely affects 6AT too, I think.

Yes it absolutely does. I have 6AT

[iScream]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

or does it occur with 6MT? and do they upgrade ur dme to dme80 too?

I just posted on this in an unrelated thread. Did a search and found this one.

Glad to hear it was not my imagination!! Maybe that is why my SA is not calling me back.

I have had the 6MT 335i since the first run in 2006 and I bought the car, in part, based on the phenomenal throttle response.

Got it back from 15k service and noticed some great new features in the iDrive, as well as a note on the receipt saying they upgraded the ECU. Shortly thereafter, I was wondering why I was leaning forward every time I pressed hard on the gas pedal, only to have the car respond like an Audi A4 TurboDiesel almost a second later.

To me, this is unacceptable. I got paranoid, wondering if it was just me, and have been playing phone tag with my SA for a couple weeks about it, not wanting to be a pain in the ass. I started wondering if this is something they did in the 2nd half of leases so that I'll upgrade to a seemingly more powerful car when my lease is up. I shoulda checked here earlier.

Now the question is, what can I do about it? If you view a lease as a monthly "car service" then this could be seen as a degradation of service and a waste of my money until it is fixed!