[Craig@SupremePower]

Damn this looks promising!!!

[san~man]

Rick,
Where I live there's only 91oct and no 91/93 like everywhere else has. Does the jb3 automatically "adjust" up from 91 if 92 is used, in terms of HP?

[AJerman]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

haha, no problem

I am your official BMS e90post rep...

My official, personal, "EAST COAST" jb3 beta 93 octane testing will follow soon.

Bah, you're not on the East coast! You're in Ohio! Send me a beta box and I'll do an "official" east coast test.

Only question I have now. Assuming someone either doesn't have a v81/29.2, or doesn't care about their warranty, or more likely, when their warranty runs out. Is there, or will there be maps that control everything to get as much power as possible regardless of throwing codes?

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by AJerman

Only question I have now. Assuming someone either doesn't have a v81/29.2, or doesn't care about their warranty, or more likely, when their warranty runs out. Is there, or will there be maps that control everything to get as much power as possible regardless of throwing codes?

That is the map that is on the Terry's 335i right now. His car is pre v81 and pre 29.2

[Soni]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

That is the map that is on the Terry's 335i right now. His car is pre v81 and pre 29.2

I have been seeing all turner saying their product work with V81 and 29.2 or higher, but does anyone the turner or member on the board has really gone back to the dealership have their car scan and see if there is any logs or not??

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Soni

I have been seeing all turner saying their product work with V81 and 29.2 or higher, but does anyone the turner or member on the board has really gone back to the dealership have their car scan and see if there is any logs or not??

The codes are set off by fuel adjustments going over a certain percentage when compared to stock, and also an impendence test on the o2 sensors. As long as tuners stay under 10% fuel adjustment and don't bias the o2 sensors in a way that would set off the o2 sensors than it is in deed "invisible".

It is not about getting the car scanned, it is about knows what sets off the code and staying below it.

[AJerman]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

That is the map that is on the Terry's 335i right now. His car is pre v81 and pre 29.2

Oh, ok cool. I wouldn't want that, but I was still kind of curious if the JB3 would be capable of tuning further. I figured it would, just making sure.

[Soni]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

The codes are set off by fuel adjustments going over a certain percentage when compared to stock, and also an impendence test on the o2 sensors. As long as tuners stay under 10% fuel adjustment and don't bias the o2 sensors in a way that would set off the o2 sensors than it is in deed "invisible".

It is not about getting the car scanned, it is about knows what sets off the code and staying below it.

thx for the explaination!! Another question, if installed this JB3 no code or limp, then you install DP and throw an P0420 P0430 code before you install the O2 sim, will this get logged? If it does, so dealer will know you have modded your car??

[XLR8MF]

Originally Posted by Soni

thx for the explaination!! Another question, if installed this JB3 no code or limp, then you install DP and throw an P0420 P0430 code before you install the O2 sim, will this get logged? If it does, so dealer will know you have modded your car??

Get a decent OBDII code reader, one with an erase function, and delete those codes. You can go to Autozone and some will let you just push the delete buton and erase the cods. Not sure if the O2 sensor codes are the same as codes that get stored for fuel enrichment above a specific set point. However, the codes you listed can be deleted and should be deleted.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by san~man

Rick,
Where I live there's only 91oct and no 91/93 like everywhere else has. Does the jb3 automatically "adjust" up from 91 if 92 is used, in terms of HP?

Yep, you will get more power automagickally with the default maps, but you might be able to run a slightly more aggressive map as they become available.

-Rick

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Yes, of course!!!!!!!!! Totally v81/2.92 diagnostically hidden.

And its even more invisible than other tunes because it uses NO external ground wires... everything is totally hidden in the ECU, and the engine bay looks 100% stock.

I've been out of the loop for a bit regarding JB3, but unless the JB3 uses both both solenoids and no longer needs to bypass one of them, this statement is incorrect.
A lot easier to see a boost solenoid bypassed than a ground wire. And a ground wire can be hidden in other places that aren't seen.

But if JB3 now uses both solenoids like the PROcede has been doing since V2, then that statement is more accurate. But again, you can still hide the ground wire on V2/V3 so it's out of sight too.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by TMR

Will i see much more power than a JB2?

Answering yes to this from what I see is not exactly correct.
The power on a JB2 (with a Hot Pill or two) or a JB2X with the dial turned up a bit seems to be as good (if not more) than what Terry just got on his beta JB3 dyno in this post, which is very similiar to what I got on V2 on 91-92 Octane on that very same dyno.
Again it's pretty much all boost dependant. You can get just as much boost with JB2X as you can with JB3 (same goes with PROcede).
Whatever tune or version is pushing the most boost in that 5000-6000 rpm range will have the highest peak rwhp. And whichever is tuned for the most boost in the 3500-4000 rpm range will show the most peak torque.

I think the biggest gain of JB3 is the PnP nature and tuning within the parameters of DMEV81 or v29.2 and newer ECU flashes so it's technically "invisible."

Props to Terry for keeping up too. JB3 looks nice and clean.

[san~man]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Yep, you will get more power automagickally with the default maps, but you might be able to run a slightly more aggressive map as they become available.

-Rick

Cool. My gauge cmae back from VEI btw. Thanks again for the help with that bro

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by san~man

Cool. My gauge cmae back from VEI btw. Thanks again for the help with that bro

My pleasure!

-Rick

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Driver72

I've been out of the loop for a bit regarding JB3, but unless the JB3 uses both both solenoids and no longer needs to bypass one of them, this statement is incorrect.
A lot easier to see a boost solenoid bypassed than a ground wire. And a ground wire can be hidden in other places that aren't seen.

But if JB3 now uses both solenoids like the PROcede has been doing since V2, then that statement is more accurate. But again, you can still hide the ground wire on V2/V3 so it's out of sight too.

Yes, the JB3 has direct solenoid control, using both solenoids, and keeping a watchful eye on duty cycles, keeping the ECU in a happy place

Please read this old thread to get you in the loop on the jb3:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148698

[Mid_West]

I have a couple of questions:

1. To change a map on the 'fly' is there a switch located in the car or does this have to be done by going into the ECU?

2. To upload new maps to the unit would you have to pull the little black box from the ECU and hook it up to the computer or will it have a port you can plug into?

3. Can you do data logging on this as well? (not that its very important to me because I have never done it, but Im curious)

4. (off topic) Why doesnt AA get their act together and support the Xede that will no longer work with 29.2? (more of a rhetorical question)

[cwn23]

Yeah I was wondering does JB3 have the capabilities of uploading new maps and stuff, or what is the process that BMS will offer when there are new features and maps!

[san~man]

iirc the maps were loaded on small chips, sorta like mini-sd card size

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Mid_West

I have a couple of questions:

1. To change a map on the 'fly' is there a switch located in the car or does this have to be done by going into the ECU?

2. To upload new maps to the unit would you have to pull the little black box from the ECU and hook it up to the computer or will it have a port you can plug into?

3. Can you do data logging on this as well? (not that its very important to me because I have never done it, but Im curious)

4. (off topic) Why doesnt AA get their act together and support the Xede that will no longer work with 29.2? (more of a rhetorical question)

1. Multi-position switch in cabin

2. Updates are done with little chips you install into the jb3.

3. Not at the moment, but there has been rumors of a device that will provide some additional functionality.

4. My best guess? Their hardware ran out of I/O's... you need at least 5 more to do what we do compared to what they do. (we control solenoids, TPS, IAT, FP, they don't even touch those wires last I checked)

[Viper]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

1. Multi-position switch in cabin

I feel like I have asked this question five different times, I am just a little ignorant with tunes. Is there going to be a map with very little boost (2-3 psi) or even no boost? I am guessing this would be accessed by the switch? Would decreasing boost put unwanted stress on the engine, or decrease the stress and increase the longevity of the engine?

this tune seems like it could be the one for me if you can decrease boost...ya know, for gas ($4.20 a gallon today...YIKES)

thanks!

[LambOfGod]

Wow! Good results and Great Price I bet.

[RiXst3r]

Yes.



-Rick

Originally Posted by Viper

I feel like I have asked this question five different times, I am just a little ignorant with tunes. Is there going to be a map with very little boost (2-3 psi) or even no boost? I am guessing this would be accessed by the switch? Would decreasing boost put unwanted stress on the engine, or decrease the stress and increase the longevity of the engine?

this tune seems like it could be the one for me if you can decrease boost...ya know, for gas ($4.20 a gallon today...YIKES)

thanks!